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#41 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:01 AM

Dish should provide the guide data for all OTA channels a customer receives.  I don't care how they do it, what technical hurdles they face, how high on the priority list this is, or whether they are in a contract dispute or not.  Dish's implementation of OTA is poor, and could be improved.

Understand that OTA support is not a priority for Dish.  Dish is a satellite company...  They would much rather not support OTA at all... but it fills a gap for them and serves as a carrot... but when push comes to shove, the reality is Dish would be just as happy if you used other means to view OTA.


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#42 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:03 AM

I don't understand the hurdles that prevent them from providing the guide data for every channel.  They get the TSID of the station OTA and they get the data from Tribune.  Match the two together and you get the guide data, right?  With Maryland Public Television, I only get guide data for WMPT (22.1-.3).  WMPB (67.1-.3) & WFPT (62.1-.3) simulcast WMPT and just show "Digital Service."  Since I receive WMPB more reliably than the other channels, I would rather record off of that channel. 

It isn't difficult... they do carry some sub-channel EPG info for OTA channels that they don't deliver via satellite.  It just is a very low priority for them... and of all the things we see complaints about, one of the last things is usually OTA EPG data.  I wish they would... though most are in my DMA, a few OTA sub-channels are missing EPG data.  Other markets have it worse than mine.  It's just a matter of it being a low-priority item and one that Dish does not directly make money for their efforts spent in that area... so I understand why it is low priority.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 04:38 PM

Anyone know how DirecTV handles the OTA guide data when they're out-of-contract with a broadcast station?



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 04:41 PM

DISH currently carries 1114 OTA EPG channels. A few of them may be duplicates of carried channels. Overall, DISH carries unique EPG for 5145 channels in the system.

Every subchannel EPG added adds to that count. Every transponder carries a feed of "present/next" EPG ... what is on now and what is next on each of those 5145 channels. Plus there are two and nine day guides that grow in size every time DISH adds a EPG feed.

According to RabbitEars there are 7588 subchannels transmitted. DISH cannot carry EPG for them all. Not without a major redesign to how EPG is managed. (Don't forget, any changes affecting EPG for OTA would need to be compatible with every receiver that uses that feed ... not just the Hoppers, but back to at least the 211 and 622 (released in 2005/2006 IIRC).
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:05 PM

Anyone know how DirecTV handles the OTA guide data when they're out-of-contract with a broadcast station?


Not dispute related, but both DISH and DirecTV carry EPG for 13 channels and subchannels in my market. The difference being that one of the DirecTV carried subchannels does not exist (they are missing one DISH has). Both carriers are missing EPG for subchannels added over the past year or so.

DirecTV has data for 4004 OTA channels and subchannels in their guide ... this includes channels that they also carry via satellite.
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:35 PM

Another hole in the system is that sometimes channels do not provide sub-channel data to the Tribune corporation so it can be used.


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