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#1 OFFLINE   TomCat

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 02:24 PM

Pilot? Pretty intense; maybe a bit overblown as pilots can be, but promising.

 

I have always been a huge James Spader fan, but could not watch him in dreck like Boston Public. Here, he pretty much resurrects an older version of his character from Two Days In The Valley, which because of his performance ranks right up there in my top ten. Less Than Zero is I guess when I knew he was really a terrific actor and not just a Brat Pack flash in the pan.

 

That said, without JS this show has promise. With him, even more.

 

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 02:34 PM

I thought it was good.  To me it is like 24 meets Silence of The Lambs.  I liked it a lot.  That being said, I am still upset at NBC for cutting the show "Chase" a few years ago.  It was really good.  I will say that FOX is worse at cutting shows as I really got into Chicago Code and Alcatraz and both were cut after 1 season.  I am definitely gonna watch The Blacklist though.  It could get old after 1-2 seasons.  Not sure how they would keep it fresh.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:06 PM

It was an excellent pilot designed to grab that demo crowd that "The Voice" lead-in gave it, much like "Revolution" last year. And it held more viewers in the second half hour than the "Revolution" premier.

 

With that said, I think it is a good basic story premise with some great opportunities for backstories offered by good writers and a very good cast.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:06 PM

Yes this one is definitely a keeper! I really enjoyed it, also always been a Spader fan, I even liked him in Boston Legal. Of course the one thing that did surprise me is that they didn't reveal that Spader's character is the father of the young FBI agent he insists on working with exclusively. It just seemed so obvious to me that I was sure by the end of the hour they were going to reveal that, but maybe they want to see how long they can get away with dragging out that little secret. Of course the longer they take the more people are going to be figuring it out and will be less surprised when they finally reveal it. It'll actually make me happy if I'm wrong because there's nothing better than a show where you think you've got it figured out and then they totally end up going in a direction you didn't see coming at all. Anyway despite that little distraction I did enjoy it and it'll be near the top of my list of shows that I watch soon after it's recorded.




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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:07 PM

... the one thing that did surprise me is that they didn't reveal that Spader's character is the father of the young FBI agent he insists on working with exclusively. It just seemed so obvious to me that I was sure by the end of the hour they were going to reveal that, but maybe they want to see how long they can get away with dragging out that little secret. Of course the longer they take the more people are going to be figuring it out and will be less surprised when they finally reveal it...

 

What I find interesting here is that they may never have thought of this, but it is such a good idea that someone from the show may see this and lift your idea to incorporate into the storyline. Stranger things have happened; I once invented a forum user title only to see it appear two years later on a T-shirt Stewey was wearing in Family Guy (Spiritual Gyn.....).


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:03 AM

The carving on the front of her husband's secret box matches the scar on her hand.  I'll bet it isn't a scar (in the usual sense) but a deliberate brand put on her for identification purposes, by her now absent father.  Guesses who that might be?  He did actually ask about it--dead giveaway.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:52 AM

The carving on the front of her husband's secret box matches the scar on her hand.  I'll bet it isn't a scar (in the usual sense) but a deliberate brand put on her for identification purposes, by her now absent father.  Guesses who that might be?  He did actually ask about it--dead giveaway.

Sounds reasonable to me.

It was definitely intense. So were several of the others that started back up this week, like NCIS, etc.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:28 PM

...the one thing that did surprise me is that they didn't reveal that Spader's character is the father of the young FBI agent he insists on working with exclusively. It just seemed so obvious to me that I was sure by the end of the hour they were going to reveal that, but maybe they want to see how long they can get away with dragging out that little secret...

 

Since your post I have seen a number of folks speculating this same thing.

 

This makes Red's offhand comment in last night's terrific ep 2 even more interesting (paraphrasing) "OK, we'll tell them you're my daughter".

 

What I found really interesting is the use of Sympathy For The Devil in the opening scene. It seems obvious that the Stones have lowered their sellout price...even America's Got Talent used it last year. But what is unusual is that they remixed it significantly, something the artist rarely agrees to, intellectual content and all.

 

The original has two shakers, one panned right and one panned left, and congas, panned right. The remix from BL was obviously the same vocal track, but they had frequency-notched out both shakers and congas, and added some electronic rap percussion effect. It was a good remix and probably updated pretty well from 1975 or whenever this song debuted, but that is not something that happens very often on a network show.

 

But I consider ep 2 a step up from ep 1.

 

A couple of things did not make sense, tho, and maybe I was just distracted.

 

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 02:48 AM

Well first,

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And second,

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For some reason, I'm really liking this show.  I can't explain it.  I usually am pulled out of the story by such implausibilities, but for some reason, it is working for me. 


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 01:50 PM

Yes, I agree, and it is only getting better (at least in ep 2).
 
But

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:00 AM

Yes, I agree, and it is only getting better (at least in ep 2).
 
But

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well, my take on it is:

Spoiler


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:45 AM

Since your post I have seen a number of folks speculating this same thing.

 

This makes Red's offhand comment in last night's terrific ep 2 even more interesting (paraphrasing) "OK, we'll tell them you're my daughter".

 

What I found really interesting is the use of Sympathy For The Devil in the opening scene. It seems obvious that the Stones have lowered their sellout price...even America's Got Talent used it last year. But what is unusual is that they remixed it significantly, something the artist rarely agrees to, intellectual content and all.

 

The original has two shakers, one panned right and one panned left, and congas, panned right. The remix from BL was obviously the same vocal track, but they had frequency-notched out both shakers and congas, and added some electronic rap percussion effect. It was a good remix and probably updated pretty well from 1975 or whenever this song debuted, but that is not something that happens very often on a network show.

 

But I consider ep 2 a step up from ep 1.

 

A couple of things did not make sense, tho, and maybe I was just distracted.

 

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:20 AM

You pick your source web site, but just to note that "The Blacklist" has received a full season order from NBC.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:23 PM

The freelancer poisoned the wine, he was the waiter and when Red revealed the poison they did a little flashback showing her taking the wine from the freelancer and drinking it.

As to him being her father, did they say how old she was when he disappeared? One would think if she was old enough to remember then she would recognize him as her dad. Also being in the Navy they would have her dads finger prints and possibly DNA on file to match against Red.

Personally i think her dad was selling secrets to Red and they became very close. Her dad is either dead or in hiding somewhere. It would be really lame and predictable if it turns out Red is her dad..

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 09:56 PM

Wonder why they had spader open a letter that showed

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:45 AM

First, how did you figure that out, and second, Yeah, Shes nice...



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:42 PM

As to him being her father, ....

...It would be really lame and predictable if it turns out Red is her dad...

 

As for lame, I fail to see why that would be.

 

As for predictable, you have to be not paying attention to not suspect this, and every internet fool you run accross seems to want to trumpet this as is they discovered the cure for cancer.

 

All they do not have is the element of surprise. And so what? The "truth" that she bargained out of Red in ep 3, and the answer to "why me?", was "it's about your father", which likely means he was technically probably telling the truth, yet still being cagey and trying to not tell her that "your father" was someone who he could refer to in the first person instead of the third person.

 

But that was still somewhat short of a dead giveaway. If it turns out he is not her father and this internet meme turns out to be as ridiculous as "Paul is dead" was in 1969, then they will have pulled off one of the great head fakes of all time.

 

And in spite of all of that, the show just keeps getting better every week.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:04 PM

I like this new series. It has many possibilities because nothing is quite what it seems.  


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:06 PM

As for lame, I fail to see why that would be.

 

As for predictable, you have to be not paying attention to not suspect this, and every internet fool you run accross seems to want to trumpet this as is they discovered the cure for cancer.

 

All they do not have is the element of surprise. And so what? The "truth" that she bargained out of Red in ep 3, and the answer to "why me?", was "it's about your father", which likely means he was technically probably telling the truth, yet still being cagey and trying to not tell her that "your father" was someone who he could refer to in the first person instead of the third person.

 

But that was still somewhat short of a dead giveaway. If it turns out he is not her father and this internet meme turns out to be as ridiculous as "Paul is dead" was in 1969, then they will have pulled off one of the great head fakes of all time.

 

And in spite of all of that, the show just keeps getting better every week.

 

 

If Red is her father that would be predictable and that would make it lame. I hate when shows follow a template of predictability, I want to be surprised with plot twists and not being able to see things coming. So far this show doing well in that regard. I was surprised at who the "bad guy" turned out to be in the second episode. I did not see that one coming. All I can say with any degree of certainty is that this show has my attention and has piqued my interest. I do not think Red is her father and I will eat the predicable plate of crow if it turns out that he is. But for that to happen they have to do a lot of explaining and twisting of the story to make that real, given what we know about Red and the little bit of info they have given us on her father. I just hope that the writers do not disappoint us either way.......



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 07:20 PM

I think It's good enough to be able to get over any "lameness" that predictability might incur. You even admit that it has a running track record of being entertainingly unpredictable in other ways, so I would just accept that and cut them a break. Not much of anything in TV is perfect.

 

Think of it the same way we positively regard the concept of "flawed beauty". After all, not many straight men would turn down supermodel Cindy Crawford because she has "that mole". A "lame" little problem like being predictable one time can't really hurt a show this good very much; it would be just one more reason to not watch a show that was already lame <cough<lucky 7>cough>.

 

The concept of it being true is so entrenched out there already that it makes one wonder if the show didn't try to plant this themselves just as a red herring.

 

It's my current fave among the new shows, and the show to beat.


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