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#1 OFFLINE   satcrazy

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:51 PM

It was a samsung at best buy.

 

listed as "ultra HD 4K"

 

Well, anyone?

 

I thought it looked almost odd. The detailing was there, but it seemed almost unrealistic [ I know I'm going to get hammered for this].

 

It was on sale for 3600. [ 400. 0ff]   55 inch I think.

 

Rich,

If you're reading this, what model is your newest Panasonic?

 


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 02:21 PM

Should be great for Major League instant replay.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:04 AM

That's interesting, and I'm looking forward to seeing UHD.  An excuse for unnatural looking pictures on the first sets might be that upscaling and different color processing has to be done by the TV's software, and it may take a while for the engineers to get that working right.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:50 AM

It was a samsung at best buy.

 

listed as "ultra HD 4K"

 

Well, anyone?

 

I thought it looked almost odd. The detailing was there, but it seemed almost unrealistic [ I know I'm going to get hammered for this].

 

It was on sale for 3600. [ 400. 0ff]   55 inch I think.

 

Rich,

If you're reading this, what model is your newest Panasonic?

 

Sorry, I just noticed this thread.  The newest is a TC-P60ST30.  I got it two years ago.  I've been comparing my 42" Panny 1080p to it and I think CCarncross is onto something.  He thinks 60" is the highest you should go on a plasma and after many hours of comparison between the 60" and the 42" sets, I gotta agree with him.  

 

Rich



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:57 AM

I'm giving my 65S1 to my daughter and debating now whether to replace it with the 65VT series or the 65ZT series plasma. I'll likely go with the VT and save about $800 bucks, but some reviewers are calling the ZT the best display on the market. As far as size goes, at my 10'-12' viewing distances, even the 65" appears small at times. I don't think I could go back to a 60".


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:01 PM

Are there 4k plasmas? I haven't started looking... yet.


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:52 AM

Sorry, I just noticed this thread.  The newest is a TC-P60ST30.  I got it two years ago.  I've been comparing my 42" Panny 1080p to it and I think CCarncross is onto something.  He thinks 60" is the highest you should go on a plasma and after many hours of comparison between the 60" and the 42" sets, I gotta agree with him.  

 

Rich

Rich, my actual sentiment is you shouldnt go beyond 60" for 1920x1080 resolution, regardless of the screen technology.  1080 blown up to larger than 60" just looks too grainy to me at many avg. living room viewing distances.  10-15 feet.  When 4k hits my price point in the 80" size screen, I'm in.


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 08:52 AM

IIRC, the optimum viewing distance for a 55" 4K TV in 4K mode is 4 feet and and a couple inches.

 

Maybe a wall mount for the TV with a long arm would allow for the recliner foot rest to go under the TV so the viewer can get his eyeballs in the right spot ?   However, only the central portion of the screen would be at the right distance, the left and right edges would be too far away, unless the screen was very sharply curved.

 

 

(yeah, I am really getting to be a curmudgeon about 4K  :eek2: )



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 09:33 AM

Rich, my actually sentiment is you shouldnt go beyond 60" for 1920x1080 resolution, regardless of the screen technology.  1080 blown up to larger than 60" just looks too grainy to me at many avg. living room viewing distances.  10-15 feet.  When 4k hits my price point in the 80" size screen, I'm in.

 

I'll respectfully disagree with you on that point, at least in regard to plasma. I've got 20/20 vision, and I have to stand closer than 8' to my 65" plasma before I start to discern any 1080p grid pattern.

 

Also, "graininess" may have to do with LED vs. plasma and personal taste for PQ. E.g., many LED displays still look "digital" to me, compared to plasma. That said, the PQ gap between the two technologies has significantly narrowed the past year or two, at least to my eyes.


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 09:50 AM

Have any networks announced plans for OTA 4K transmissions?  Have Dish/DTV done so?

 

Blue-Ray movie is about 25 GB, and the technology never took off as many expected.

 

A 4K movie would be about 100 GB.  No 4K players, so you'd have to download the content, at 25 GB per half hour.

 

At this point, 4K is a novelty.


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 09:54 AM

I'll respectfully disagree with you on that point, at least in regard to plasma. I've got 20/20 vision, and I have to stand closer than 8' to my 65" plasma before I start to discern any 1080p grid pattern.
 
Also, "graininess" may have to do with LED vs. plasma and personal taste for PQ. E.g., many LED displays still look "digital" to me, compared to plasma. That said, the PQ gap between the two technologies has significantly narrowed the past year or two, at least to my eyes.


Well, I don't think it will get much better as Panasonic has now said it will stop producing plasmas after this year...

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:06 AM

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Blue-Ray movie is about 25 GB, and the technology never took off as many expected.

 

A 4K movie would be about 100 GB.  No 4K players, so you'd have to download the content, at 25 GB per half hour.

 

At this point, 4K is a novelty.

Ummmm what? BluRay is doing very well. And 4k players do exist.


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:40 AM

Sorry, I just noticed this thread.  The newest is a TC-P60ST30.  I got it two years ago.  I've been comparing my 42" Panny 1080p to it and I think CCarncross is onto something.  He thinks 60" is the highest you should go on a plasma and after many hours of comparison between the 60" and the 42" sets, I gotta agree with him.  

 

Rich

 

I have to amend this.  I went from the 42" to the 60" yesterday while watching an NF streaming flick and I could not see any difference.  I dunno.  I'm confused.

 

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:46 AM

I'm giving my 65S1 to my daughter and debating now whether to replace it with the 65VT series or the 65ZT series plasma. I'll likely go with the VT and save about $800 bucks, but some reviewers are calling the ZT the best display on the market. As far as size goes, at my 10'-12' viewing distances, even the 65" appears small at times. I don't think I could go back to a 60".

 

I watch my 60" plasma from about that distance and I watch the 42" plasma from exactly 5' away (I measured it yesterday).  I can't find the ZTs on Amazon, but it looks like they'd cost between three and four grand.  Too much for me.  

 

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:48 AM

Rich, my actual sentiment is you shouldnt go beyond 60" for 1920x1080 resolution, regardless of the screen technology.  1080 blown up to larger than 60" just looks too grainy to me at many avg. living room viewing distances.  10-15 feet.  When 4k hits my price point in the 80" size screen, I'm in.

 

Yup, I remember.  I'm still trying to figure out if I agree.  You gave me a reason to explore and that's always a good thing.  For that, I thank you.

 

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:49 AM

I have to amend this.  I went from the 42" to the 60" yesterday while watching an NF streaming flick and I could not see any difference.  I dunno.  I'm confused.

 

Rich

Do the same with a BD Rich.  I think you'll see much more difference.  As good as I find the PQ with NF, it doesnt even come close to a good BD disk.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 11:01 AM

I'll respectfully disagree with you on that point, at least in regard to plasma. I've got 20/20 vision, and I have to stand closer than 8' to my 65" plasma before I start to discern any 1080p grid pattern.

 

Also, "graininess" may have to do with LED vs. plasma and personal taste for PQ. E.g., many LED displays still look "digital" to me, compared to plasma. That said, the PQ gap between the two technologies has significantly narrowed the past year or two, at least to my eyes.

 

I haven't even considered LCDs in my opinions.  After yesterday, I'm really wondering about a 65" set.  I gotta get something for Xmas and that's always a challenge.  I probably should have nixed off the 60" set and bought the 65" model and we wouldn't be talking about this.  I gotta say that NF's super HD streams have been a revelation to me.  

 

One of the great problems I've always had is thinking I'm wrong when someone disagrees with me.  Now I've got two members that I respect with two different opinions and I know one of them is right.  Guess I'd have to get a bigger set to satisfy my curiosity.  But I'm not gonna spend over $2,000 for another TV.  Everytime I look at my 58" 720p plasma that set me back over $2,400 I get a bit upset.  

 

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 11:02 AM

Ummmm what? BluRay is doing very well. And 4k players do exist.

 

I just bought a Sammy BD player that upscales to 4K.  Sony seems to going all out to get some content out there.

 

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 11:05 AM

Do the same with a BD Rich.  I think you'll see much more difference.  As good as I find the PQ with NF, it doesnt even come close to a good BD disk.

 

I don't buy BDs, I get them from NF and sometimes I wonder about the PQ on them.  The PQ on NF streaming super HD content seems to be pretty consistent.  I'm using that for comparisons.  

 

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 11:52 AM

Well, I don't think it will get much better as Panasonic has now said it will stop producing plasmas after this year...

 

Holy crap, Batman! Hadn't heard that. I just pulled the trigger on a 65ZT, before they're no longer available. 


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