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#21 OFFLINE   slice1900

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:09 PM

Some people have no idea what the Constitution says, so they think it says the government can't do anything that affects them negatively.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:15 AM

We should be able to watch anything we want on satellite TV. To me these out of town local option. no being available is so backwards and a hit on out constitutional rights of freedom to watch what we want to.

 

Which article or amendment says you have the right to watch an out of market local channel? Just curious, I must've missed it. 

 

The local stations are the ones that hold this stuff up. Don't expect it to change, either. The only alternative is elimination of local TV and the networks turning into national channels like the rest of cable. 



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:06 AM

We should be able to watch anything we want on satellite TV. To me these out of town local option. no being available is so backwards and a hit on out constitutional rights of freedom to watch what we want to.

remember that your rights end when the right for the other starts. so your right to watch free TV ends when the right for the local station to charge you begins.....


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:32 PM

It is ridiculous that the FCC can't make Comcast give us the missing CSN channels but they can tell us what local channels we should get. Local channels are still needed and provide advertising for local businesses and we should help keep that cost low. HOWEVER, there needs to be something done about specific network availability (CW is not available everywhere and a pain to get, and then it's not HD) and others. I receive a different lineup OTA than I do with Directv but that doesn't matter. I would like to see this:

 

A more-regional DMA system. If your market is missing a channel (or doesn't have it in HD), bring it on from a neighboring DMA.

 

Take into account the OTA coverage patterns of specific channels and overlay that map with the DMA. I shouldn't be stuck with a terrible ABC affiliate that I PAY FOR while I get two others OTA for FREE that are great. But I am. Basically, take a coverage areas, above, say 0 dB on the TV fool charts, and put in the zip codes. The spotbeam maps will cover most if not all channels. For areas with little or no OTA coverage, use a DMA-style system, but regional as noted above (within the limitations of spotbeams.)

 

Fix the AM21 mess and allow all subchannels in with a guide, even if said guide only have 2 hours from the OTA signal. I know there are workarounds, but it really doesn't need to be that way.

 

No one should pay for TV and not have CBS, Fox, NBC, ABC, CW, Univision, and ION - ALL IN HD. Those are basic channels that most people get for free OTA. Telemundo, My Network, Unimas, and perhaps a few others are close to being on that list too. (I know Directv has IONeHD, but many cable companies do not have any ION). 

 

The more options for locals the better. Quality neighboring markets that send signal for free should be able to compete for my tax dollars the same as another channel that the government forces on me. What happened to capitalism/competition?


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:41 PM

It is ridiculous that the FCC can't make Comcast give us the missing CSN channels but they can tell us what local channels we should get. Local channels are still needed and provide advertising for local businesses and we should help keep that cost low. HOWEVER, there needs to be something done about specific network availability (CW is not available everywhere and a pain to get, and then it's not HD) and others. I receive a different lineup OTA than I do with Directv but that doesn't matter. I would like to see this:

 

A more-regional DMA system. If your market is missing a channel (or doesn't have it in HD), bring it on from a neighboring DMA.

 

Take into account the OTA coverage patterns of specific channels and overlay that map with the DMA. I shouldn't be stuck with a terrible ABC affiliate that I PAY FOR while I get two others OTA for FREE that are great. But I am. Basically, take a coverage areas, above, say 0 dB on the TV fool charts, and put in the zip codes. The spotbeam maps will cover most if not all channels. For areas with little or no OTA coverage, use a DMA-style system, but regional as noted above (within the limitations of spotbeams.)

 

Fix the AM21 mess and allow all subchannels in with a guide, even if said guide only have 2 hours from the OTA signal. I know there are workarounds, but it really doesn't need to be that way.

 

No one should pay for TV and not have CBS, Fox, NBC, ABC, CW, Univision, and ION - ALL IN HD. Those are basic channels that most people get for free OTA. Telemundo, My Network, Unimas, and perhaps a few others are close to being on that list too. (I know Directv has IONeHD, but many cable companies do not have any ION). 

 

The more options for locals the better. Quality neighboring markets that send signal for free should be able to compete for my tax dollars the same as another channel that the government forces on me. What happened to capitalism/competition?

 

Rules for locals on satellite are codified in law. The FCC has nothing to do with it. You literally should call your Congressman.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:22 PM

Rules for locals on satellite are codified in law. The FCC has nothing to do with it. You literally should call your Congressman.

 

FCC = government. Does the FCC have nothing to do with the TV stations they license?

 

I also meant to write "spending money" not tax dollars in my last paragraph.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:47 PM

FCC = government. Does the FCC have nothing to do with the TV stations they license?


The FCC writes regulations that follow the law. The law is written by Congress. Yes, it is all one happy government but one needs to know which windmills to tilt at. In this case, if one does not like the rules that are codified in law one should direct their ire at Congress.

That is what broadcasters, satellite companies and others are doing. They are talking to Congress. Trying to get the next version of the law to be more favorable to their side of the argument.
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:53 PM

FCC = government. Does the FCC have nothing to do with the TV stations they license?

 

I also meant to write "spending money" not tax dollars in my last paragraph.

 

The FCC doesn't really have much to do with retransmission, no. Licensure for broadcast isn't related to retransmission agreements with MVPDs. "The Government" isn't one big monolithic thing.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:20 PM

,,, "The Government" isn't one big monolithic thing.

Now that's funny! :hurah:


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 05:14 PM

It would be great if east and west feeds of just the network broadcast could be put up. I remember watching FOX wild feeds in the C band days, the channel would light up at 8, national commercials only, where local ads usually run, a network logo or network ads would run. Once the programming was over a 10, there was a FOX logo until the next day or next national network broadcast. What a great way for Directv to make $$$ and keep our bills reasonable...just noticed the upcoming price jump for Premier today...



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:58 PM

There is no legal way for this to happen as the law currently stands. DirecTV has to provide you with your locals if they provide them, and if they don't and you can get them OTA, they cannot provide you DNS. It's a law, not a DirecTV policy.

trust me.. just because D* has locals, YOU DON"T HAVE TO HAVE THEM..I know this from personal tonight's viewing.. and every day for the past 14 years.. 



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:06 PM

That's because you did it 14 years ago and are grandfathered, since then a new rule went into effect that requires them.

Now, the only way you can signup for a package without them is if you live in a market that has their locals on 119 and have line of sight issues or DirecTV doesn't carry locals for your area. If you fall under those categories the packages are $3 cheaper.

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:31 PM

Once Directv is able to provide locals for all markets, and without needing 119, that means they won't allow anyone new to get distant networks? Or would they drop them entirely?


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:36 PM

There's still small markets that don't have full time affiliates of all of the big 4 networks so they have a remap of one the DNS stations as part of their locals. There's also some counties considered "unserved" because of the shape of the spot beam compared to the size of the market. Not to mention the RV, Marine and Air subscribers who are eligible for DNS in some cases.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 09:04 AM

If Aereo wins at SCOTUS, that could change some things.  It would reduce the power that local stations have over Directv, Dish, TWC, etc. in negotiations.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:58 PM

If Aereo wins at SCOTUS, that could change some things.  It would reduce the power that local stations have over Directv, Dish, TWC, etc. in negotiations.

 

Only if those providers made deals with Aereo or set up their own Aereo like service. Relying on streaming for live content like sports is a risky proposition for a provider like Directv that doesn't provide internet service, because they'll be the ones that get the complaints when performance is subpar, but be unable to do anything about it.

 

It makes more sense for cable, if it is all contained on their internal network they can insure it reaches every customer's home with the desired level of quality (assuming they also deliver that customer's internet)


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 09:48 PM

It would be great if east and west feeds of just the network broadcast could be put up. I remember watching FOX wild feeds in the C band days, the channel would light up at 8, national commercials only, where local ads usually run, a network logo or network ads would run. Once the programming was over a 10, there was a FOX logo until the next day or next national network broadcast. What a great way for Directv to make $$$ and keep our bills reasonable...just noticed the upcoming price jump for Premier today...


I used to have. C Band dish set up. Then I gave the set up to a friend. That was neat if the wild feeds that are on there. I miss the ability of order the channels individually or a programme group. My best company I used was Turner Satellite. I do wish these was such things available on the DISH and Direct TV dishes.

Programming satellites on the CBAND Dish was not all that easy. But eventually that was figured out.

This was like back in 1990. I wonder if CBand offers just as much today as back then.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 11:40 AM

Once Directv is able to provide locals for all markets, and without needing 119, that means they won't allow anyone new to get distant networks? Or would they drop them entirely?

 

As KyL416 noted, there are reasons to keep them.  There are short markets that do not have all of the big 4.  For that reason alone, there will always be a need for DNS feeds until something changes that.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:08 PM

I agree with you somewhat with the only caveat being the need for local weather.  I live in an area notorious for severe weather. There is no way I would depend on national weather feeds to protect myself or my family.  While I agree that local news blows on  most "normal" news days (cat stuck in tree, dog found in dumpster), when disaster strikes or emergency weather threatens, locals are the best option. 

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:28 PM

This was like back in 1990. I wonder if CBand offers just as much today as back then.


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Nope. C-Band (and Ku-Band) are mostly a vast empty sea of nothingness. There are still a few wild feeds, religious, and foreign programming in the clear (both digital and analog), and some of the network feeds are still there. A majority of feeds and "pay" TV channels have gone to digital encryption and are not able to be viewed. The last time I checked, there are about 10 Pay TV channels available for subscription but the number of the available channels has been dwindling down each year. 

 

Ku-Band is still pretty good to use as a hobby, but don't expect it to replace your cable/D*/E* as your primary source of TV entertainment. 






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