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NFL Sunday Ticket Cost/Benefit/Value Continues to Degrade


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#26 OFFLINE   Sandra

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:07 AM

Originally the NFL made a deal with the NCAA that it would not play Saturday games if colleges would not play Sunday games. At that time college football was king and the NFL was struggling to build a fan base. Now of course the NFL has the power and they can do what the want but except for those couple of late season Saturday games they stay away from treading on the NCAAs toes.

 

The late season Saturday games no longer exist, and when they did exist the games were in late December, after the college regular season had ended.

 

 

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#27 OFFLINE   renbutler

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:17 AM

Came across this when I was checking scores on ESPN.com: http://espn.go.com/n...-thursday-games

 

I have to say I feel the same way as some others in this thread, Thursday games, other than Thanksgiving, have yet to become art of my routine. Maybe the NFL feels if they shove additional games through "additional outlets" then it will. Then again, maybe it's just a grab for more revenue.

 

I gotta say that this is a little bit surprising.

Of course, they can still do this without adding another short week by giving teams two consecutive Thursday games.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:28 AM

the NFL can't enough money, if does ruin this league, the players don't want this!



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:34 AM

I gotta say that this is a little bit surprising.

Of course, they can still do this without adding another short week by giving teams two consecutive Thursday games.

NBCSN was looking at getting some Thursday games but the NFL did not like there idea to not have the games on OTA tv in the local team areas.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:29 AM

the NFL can't enough money, if does ruin this league, the players don't want this!

 

Look at the ratings. Everything they touch is turning to gold. There's no reason they shouldn't keep trying things, and stick with what works and change what doesn't. It's a business, and there's nothing wrong with that. Without money, the league doesn't exist and thrive.

 

As for the players, they'll have their say. Nothing will happen without NFLPA approval.


Edited by renbutler, 16 October 2013 - 09:30 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:21 AM

With regards to the original post topic.... the games that the NFL is taking from NFL ST are likely to be above-average quality games, so we're not talking about simply the number of games. 

Thats not really true.

 

The 13 NFLN games are the 26 teams that dont play thanksgiving.

 

So that accually hurts NFLN because instead of being able to show teams like cowboys,packers,ravens they have to show jaguars,bucs.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:49 PM

Thats not really true.

 

The 13 NFLN games are the 26 teams that dont play thanksgiving.

 

So that accually hurts NFLN because instead of being able to show teams like cowboys,packers,ravens they have to show jaguars,bucs.

 

 

The Lions and the Cowboys are the only teams that always play Thanksgiving. So NFLN will be able to show games involving any of the other 30. I don't see how it hurts them to be able to show the Patriots, Broncos, Bears, and so on and only have two teams they don't ever show.

 

People would watch a Thanksgiving game even if it was the Jaguars vs the Bucs because it is Thanksgiving and people have the day off and it has become a tradition to watch football that afternoon.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:03 PM

The Lions and the Cowboys are the only teams that always play Thanksgiving. So NFLN will be able to show games involving any of the other 30. I don't see how it hurts them to be able to show the Patriots, Broncos, Bears, and so on and only have two teams they don't ever show.

 

Ever, perhaps. But in a given season, NFL Network will be showing only 26 teams, and it must by rule include one game for the Jags, Bucs, Browns, Bills, etc. (assuming those teams don't get a rare TG game). This year NFLN cannot show the Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, or Ravens, because those teams already have short-week games on TG.

 

The other networks pay huge money for the Sunday afternoon and evening packages, and even the Monday package, so NFLN isn't going to poach a bunch of blockbuster matchups for Thursday, even if doubleheaders are added. There are only so many possible matchups they can show, which is why they get a lot of mid-tier and some low-tier divisional games.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:21 AM

Some sports shows yesterday were talking about a 2nd Thursday night game to be sold to a streaming company like Netflix, etc. I don't think that will happen but the NFL is always looking at ideas for more revenue.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:17 AM

Some sports shows yesterday were talking about a 2nd Thursday night game to be sold to a streaming company like Netflix, etc. I don't think that will happen but the NFL is always looking at ideas for more revenue.

they need commercials, can you put commercials on Netfilx?, i see a network like the USA Network



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 02:49 PM

they need commercials, can you put commercials on Netfilx?


I'm sure they could if they wanted. For example, there are commercials inserted during the streaming baseball games on MLB.TV.
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Posted 17 October 2013 - 04:42 PM

There are only so many possible matchups they can show, which is why they get a lot of mid-tier and some low-tier divisional games.

Right thats what i mean that because of these restrictions they cant get many above avg quality matchups.

 

If SNF games are an A+ & MNF are B then NFLN is a C-.

 

So unless they want to change the rules thats all they are meant to be like an extra supplement to the week. 


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 06:56 AM

The late season Saturday games no longer exist, and when they did exist the games were in late December, after the college regular season had ended.

 

 

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Now they conflict on Thursdays with both a college game and a pro game on at the same time. Last night Miami vs North Carolina and Seattle vs Arizona.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 07:43 AM

Yes, but there is no legal requirement for NFL to avoid Thursdays. They do, however have to avoid Friday (most high school games) and Saturday (most college games) until the middle of December.

 

Colleges can play on any day they want, but they are protected only on Saturdays.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:39 AM

they need commercials, can you put commercials on Netfilx?, i see a network like the USA Network

 

Why do they "need" commercials? There's no requirement that a football game broadcast have commercials. The NFL is going to sell the rights for a set price, and if Netflix didn't want to sell commercials they wouldn't have to.

 

At any rate, there's also no reason they couldn't put commercials on Netflix, other than customer perception. The video feed would be produced normally just like any football game, including commercial breaks, and then it would be fed into Netflix's encoding system. There's no technical hurdle there.



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Posted 19 October 2013 - 09:44 AM

Hulu Plus has commercials and they're a steaming service as well. It would be easy to sell ads for an NFL game.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:17 PM

I liked what I heard on Inside the NFL last week. Move the Thursday games to Monday, and simply do two MNF games. One starting at 5:30 and the 2nd at 8:30. You could even have one be an AFC and one an NFC game every week, and label each one as the 'AFC Game of the Week and NFC Game of the Week'. I'm sure something could be worked out. :D Not to mention, it would take away the short weeks, which I think have an impact on team performance.

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As a side note, the ST would never lose value for me because i'm out of market for the Patriots, so without it, i wouldn't get to see every Patriots game each season.
 


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:36 PM

A game starting that early simply isn't feasible on a Monday. a 5:30 PM Eastern game would be starting at 2:30 PM Pacific, chewing into half of the potential audience. That isn't even considering the fact that most people can't get off work and make it to a football stadium in that amount of time. You would essentially be restricting the early game to east coast teams only.

 

For what it's worth, on Sunday Night Football last night they quoted "sources very very close to the discussions" or high up in the NFL...basically quoting the NFL officially, that adding another Thursday game was not on the table. They did say that they are open to splitting the *current* package of Thursday games with half of the games staying with the NFL Network and the other half "going to another network" (no indication on whether or not that means online or not). One primary issue noted was that the NFLPA already doesn't like the short week for two teams and the union would be opposed to expanding that to two more teams.


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:40 PM

Well, you could do what they've done a couple times instead, which is have an east coast game @ 7pm and then a west coast game starting at 10pm. Two Sunday night games one different networks wouldn't work, as the NFL won't compete against itself in that scenario I don't think.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:43 PM

Well, you could do what they've done a couple times instead, which is have an east coast game @ 7pm and then a west coast game starting at 10pm. Two Sunday night games one different networks wouldn't work, as the NFL won't compete against itself in that scenario I don't think.

 

You're limiting the west coast game's ratings potential. Part of the reason of MNF, SNF, and TNF is that you can get a much higher rating than if those games were playing during the day on Sunday with everyone else. A doubleheader on week 1 is novel, but long term it wouldn't really be financially viable because the ratings for the second game would drop off.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:45 PM

Okay, one other go. Since Disney owns both ABC/ESPN, the could do a doubleheader MNF on local ABC's and ESPN, like they do the ABC/ESPN Saturday game!



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 09:17 AM

Okay, one other go. Since Disney owns both ABC/ESPN, the could do a doubleheader MNF on local ABC's and ESPN, like they do the ABC/ESPN Saturday game!

but you still need to have an local team games on OTA as well so then you may have 2 OTA games or have the local ABC affiliates show the local game (not as reverse mirror) with the same game on ESPN.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:41 AM

Disney already dumped MNF from ABC because it wasn't drawing the ratings they wanted for the broadcast network. Splitting the audience isn't exactly going to generate the numbers they'd want in order to put it back on ABC.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:24 PM

Disney moved just about ALL its sports to ESPN, not just NFL.

 

I'm sure they would have loved the flex scheduling afforded to NBC on the SNF package, though. MNF got stuck with numerous dud matchups for many years.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 07:51 AM

This article suggests that the most popular idea is to expand from 13 to 16 Thursday games -- just ONE per week -- and split the package evenly between NFL Network and another carrier. The package also could include one wild card game in an expanded playoff season. None of this would start until 2015.

 

http://www.sportsbus...L-Thursday.aspx






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