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How many SD receivers are still active on E*?


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#1 OFFLINE   Michael P

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 11:08 AM

I wonder how many SD STB's are still active on E*?  Once they are all converted to an HD STB the duplicate SD channels can go away, freeing up bandwidth for more HD programming. 

The reason I ask is there are several channels in SD only (besides the Disney Channels) that appear to be letter-boxed 16 x 9.  If the last hold-outs were converted to HD there would be no reason not to carry every available channel in HD 24/7.

 

I've had an HD DVR since 2004 yet did not have an HDTV until last year, so it is possible to hook an HD STB to an SDTV. 

 

Is there a deadline set for "SD sunset" on E*?  If not thee should be!

 


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#2 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:00 PM

I don't know about specifically for Dish or DirecTV, but there was a report last October that 75% of households have an HD TV. That still leaves a good portion that doesn't.

 

And the percentage of programming that was actually viewed in HD was less than that. Though I wonder how many are because of cable providers separating the SD and HD channels.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:05 PM

Dont forget that even if they have an HDTV, doesnt mean they are getting HD service from their provider...I think the figure was more like less than 50% of the households actually have HD service....HD hasnt quite hit the majority yet...


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:15 PM

Exactly. And I know there was confusion in the whole digital transition, some thought that meant they were now getting HD OTA.

 

Plus, even for households with actual HD, replacing all the SD boxes with HD is expensive. DirecTV has done that in a few markets that have SD locals on MPEG4, but I believe that's mainly been smaller markets. I don't know if Dish has done the same kind of thing, but there are a lot of SD boxes out there.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:15 PM

There are many people that have older SD TVs and yet they have the newer HD receivers from  Dish. Some have upgraded as they want the channels Dish offers only in HD. They can down convert to 480i and still get the channels. I do know one lady that still have her old SD receiver.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:42 PM

DISH has MILLIONS of SD receivers still in use. Not every HD customer has only HD receivers Last month I had 1 HD and 2 SD receivers on my account feeding 8 TV sets. I just added a 40" HD so I will need to upgrade in the future.

If DISH has 14 million subscribers and 25% are SD that is 3.5 million still on SD. Don't hold your breath for an all HD service.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:38 PM

I think the TS is asking how many SD receivers there are still active on the "Eastern Arc," thus the meaning of the "E*" in the original post.

 

Never had DISH here, but its my understanding that there are actually no active SD (only) receivers using the EA. The only SD only receivers are older MPEG-2 types and since all the feeds on the EA are MPEG-4, they require MPEG-4 (and thus HD/SD) capable receivers to use them.

 

So the question probably should have been stated as "how many MPEG-4 SD feeds are there still on the EA?

 

And to that as a lifetime DIRECTV sub. :) , I really don't know.

 

Perhaps some other knowledgeable DISH sub. can chime in with the info.? 


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:15 PM

Eastern Arc is MPEG4 only which requires a HD receiver.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:23 PM

Eastern Arc is MPEG4 only which requires a HD receiver.

Yes, but now how many of the channels are there on the EA which are only in MPEG-4 SD is what I think the TS is referring to. 


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:36 PM

I think the TS is asking how many SD receivers there are still active on the "Eastern Arc," thus the meaning of the "E*" in the original post.

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Perhaps some other knowledgeable DISH sub. can chime in with the info.? .

 

I believe the OP meant the anachronism "E" for Echostar".


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 03:08 PM

I believe the OP meant the anachronism "E" for Echostar".

Oh, OK;

 

Well if that's the case, I guess the question then should be, "about how many SD MPEG-2 only receivers would you estimate are still active on the WA?"

 

Since that is the only arc those older types of receivers can still be on ...  :)


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:20 PM

There are probably LOTS of SD Dish receivers out there. I'm currently one of them.

 

Even for households that have HDTV - it is NOT necesarily true that EVERY TV in the house is HDTV - Again - I have ONE HDTV, and 3 SD TVs (one currently not in use)


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:26 PM

About two years or so ago Charlie had said they had more SD receivers than HD in use. As some have said, even with an HD TV millions still get SD, including almost every elderly couple I know who are friends with my Grandparents. Then in very many homes there is still at least one SD TV so they don't get an HD receiver for it.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 05:11 PM

E*  = Echostar/Dish Network  D* = DirecTV  P* = Primestar  (I'm showing my age :grin: ).  That was DBS forum shorthand from way-back.  I've been a poster longer than I've been a E* customer, and I've been a customer since Feb. '97.  I guess the newer posters have not seen the old forum shorthand.

 

EA is all MPEG4, but that does not matter.  I just wish that with today's whole house solutions that the old SD boxes would go away.  At some point it will be more cost effective to upgrade the holdouts to reclaim the bandwidth (and duplicate infrastructure).  I watch several SD only channels that look bad on my new HDTV. The only hope for these channels (some are "PI" channels) going HD is to get rid of the duplicate SD channels. 


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 05:14 PM

About two years or so ago Charlie had said they had more SD receivers than HD in use. As some have said, even with an HD TV millions still get SD, including almost every elderly couple I know who are friends with my Grandparents. Then in very many homes there is still at least one SD TV so they don't get an HD receiver for it.

I can see an HDTV screen in the house behind me, but he still has only a Dish 500 on his roof.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 05:40 PM

About two years or so ago Charlie had said they had more SD receivers than HD in use. As some have said, even with an HD TV millions still get SD, including almost every elderly couple I know who are friends with my Grandparents. Then in very many homes there is still at least one SD TV so they don't get an HD receiver for it.

 

In the defense of old people, I just turned 75 and for the record, first got HD 10 years ago on one HD RPTV in 2003, and HD on all four of my new flat-panel displays when I moved into my new home in 2008. No more vacuum tubes for me. So long, see ya!


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 08:02 PM

I have a dish accnt with a sd510dvr and a sd322 recvr. I think my sis still has her 1 recvr, a 522. She's got hd nothing. My friend with directv an he has 4sd boxes, 1s a TiVo an the others are the old school RCAs that will soon b phased out (he still hasn't upgraded them), and 1 HD box which he shares in two locations.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 09:58 PM

Can you even buy a SDTV now? I think even the small TVs I have seen in the stores are all flat LCD and I think even those will give you at least 720p. I know my  LCD19" widesceen computer monitor is 720p.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:21 AM

Eastern Arc is MPEG4 only which requires a HD receiver.

Not if your a customer in Eastern Arc territory that Has a dish 500 setup. (110 119)

I'm sure there are still quite a few of them out there.

 

 

 


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:26 AM

Not if your a customer in Eastern Arc territory that Has a dish 500 setup. (110 119)

I'm sure there are still quite a few of them out there.

110 and 119 are on the western arc not eastern arc. I used to have 110,119 before the trees grew too tall. Now I have EA which is 61.5,72.7 and 77.






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