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How many SD receivers are still active on E*?


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#26 OFFLINE   thomasjk

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 11:49 AM

I think you may have misread thomasjk's post.

 

He did not say that those who reside in EA "territory" are MPEG-4 only and need an HD receiver.

 

But those who are "on the EA," i.e. wherever they are located, require one.  

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#27 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 02:44 PM

I don't know about specifically for Dish or DirecTV, but there was a report last October that 75% of households have an HD TV. That still leaves a good portion that doesn't.

And the percentage of programming that was actually viewed in HD was less than that. Though I wonder how many are because of cable providers separating the SD and HD channels.


Personally I'd make the argument that how many people have Hi Definition sets is irrelivent. Hi Definition boxes can down convert. The real culprit is the amount of people who have the services that still have any sd boxes, and there's plenty of people with Hi Definition service that still have some sd boxes too. Last I saw over half of DIRECTV subs, and probably the same for dish, still have at least one active sd box. That makes it even a bigger percentage of people that would need to have some equipment replaced... And until it'd cost less to replace all those boxes than it would to launch a new sat and they need more capacity, I don't see them feeling under the gun to replace the boxes, which could be a decade...

Or after reading further down the thread.. What most everyone else said... ;)

And I don't think reclaiming the bandwidth would really add any Hi Definition channels at this point from either service, nothing of significance at least overall.

#28 OFFLINE   Michael P

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:12 PM

And I don't think reclaiming the bandwidth would really add any Hi Definition channels at this point from either service, nothing of significance at least overall.

What I mean is I'd like to see some of the channels that today are SD only in HD.  I realize many are broadcast in SD only, I'm not talking about those.  I'm talking about other channels that on E* are SD only that appear to have content produced in HD (since they are in 16x9 letterbox).  Zooming in those channels sometimes looks worse than watching a 16x9 picture with a box all around  :barf:


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:21 PM

What I mean is I'd like to see some of the channels that today are SD only in HD.  I realize many are broadcast in SD only, I'm not talking about those.  I'm talking about other channels that on E* are SD only that appear to have content produced in HD (since they are in 16x9 letterbox).  Zooming in those channels sometimes looks worse than watching a 16x9 picture with a box all around  :barf:

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:48 PM

There are folks out there that have 'split-arc's, meaning a dish500 aimed to the west, and either a dish 300 or another dish500 aimed at EA to get 61.5.  For a while, this was the only way ppl could get ALL their locals.  Some of the dish500's u may still see in PA, or anywhere else for that matter, may be former custormers who've gone back to comcrap, or whoever.  I see a lot of abandonded dishes around, some have the LNB's removed, some dont.

 

As for deleting SD channels to make room for an HD channel.......i want to say the ratio is 4 to 1?!?   Meaning it would take the deletion of 4 SD channels to make room for ONE HD channel.  SOmeone correct me if I'm wrong.  Bottom line, I dont think you'll free up that much bandwidth.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:04 AM

I wouldn't even have a guess... but I suspect there are still a LOT more SD receivers out there than anyone in these forums would like to know... and those are paying customers to Dish so Dish isn't going to dump them.

 

We are a ways away from Dish being willing to lose those customers OR fork over the cost to force-upgrade them.

 

Meanwhile... even though eastern arc is all MPEG4, thus requiring HD-capable receivers (since those are the only ones that do MPEG4)...  they can't do too much with eastern arc that they can't mirror on western arc so you can't expect new channel bandwidth on one arc without corresponding on the other.

 

Dish has, however, been taking down SD LiLs on eastern arc whenever they add HD LiLs...  but they haven't been doing that for SAT channels.  They could, but it doesn't gain them anything useful yet until they can do something similar on western arc... and they can't do that until a LOT more customers give up their SD receivers... which has been a slow evolution.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:15 AM

What I mean is I'd like to see some of the channels that today are SD only in HD.  I realize many are broadcast in SD only, I'm not talking about those.  I'm talking about other channels that on E* are SD only that appear to have content produced in HD (since they are in 16x9 letterbox).  Zooming in those channels sometimes looks worse than watching a 16x9 picture with a box all around  :barf:

 

Yes, I know what you meant, my point is there aren't really that many left for most the major carriers.  Only a few more niche channels here and there.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 07:37 PM

My brother-in-law and sister-in-law had a 522 for years even after spending lots of good money on a Panasonic plasma HDTV last Christmas.

 

Two months ago I sat down and explained to them that all those stretched fuzzy SD pictures were easily available in stunning HD just by getting a 722k (I already had an old OTA tuner module from my Hopper upgrade) from Dish.

 

They got the upgrade for only a 2 year commitment - no cash - and now enjoy all those SD shows in HD, they had no idea what they were missing.

 

Their monthly bill is still the same as it was but they no can enjoy their 1080p plasma TV as it was intended to be seen.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:30 PM

I have 4 hd sets and no HD service.   I will not get HD until they drop the requirement for autopay.   I work for a paper mill   -- I want a paper bill mailed to me in a paper envelope.    Forcing me to go paperless is like asking me to slit my throat.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:03 PM

Well you don't need to go paperless to get Hi Definition with DIRECTV. I am amazed you have to do that with dish. In fact it seems absurd to me. Why would they require that?

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:16 PM

You only need to go paperless if you do not want to PAY for HD.

DISH's Free HD offer requires a two year commitment and paperless billing.
If one wants to pay $10 per month for HD they still can.
(The option to pay $99 once for "Free HD for life" is no longer available.)

At last check DirecTV customers were paying for HD, except for those fortunate enough to sign up when DirecTV was offering Free HD to new customers. It is a "technology charge" but still a charge for HD.
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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:40 PM

Ah, well that makes sense, but I guess that means the $10 a month isnt worth it to him either for his hdtv's....

 

Yeah, if you are not a new customer though, usually if you call they will give you 10 off a month pretty easily, especially if you have auto pay as well, since that's one they offered for a while as well.  SO at Directv you can play a game to get it...  Surprised if you cant do that a bit at Dish sometimes too...



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:05 PM

i'm ignorant



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:00 AM

Note there are thousands of hotels and apartment buildings that use SD DISH (and DirecTV) receivers for their head ends, either individually or via "smartbox" or other such systems.

 

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:43 AM

I know of at least 2 neighbors that have SD receivers.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:10 AM

In the defense of old people, I just turned 75 and for the record, first got HD 10 years ago on one HD RPTV in 2003, and HD on all four of my new flat-panel displays when I moved into my new home in 2008. No more vacuum tubes for me. So long, see ya!

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:26 AM

Note there are thousands of hotels and apartment buildings that use SD DISH (and DirecTV) receivers for their head ends, either individually or via "smartbox" or other such systems.

 

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http://commercial.di...rop#complicated

My Dentist has 20 TVs hooked up to DirecTV all SD.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 04:38 PM

Well, one advantage I noticed about SD channels available, when a storm knocks out the HD signal, it auto tunes to the SD channel of the same. This way your programming is not lost.


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