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#26 OFFLINE   texasbrit

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:14 AM

Directv should still aloud a second Genie on an account if one doesn't have clients. Because I'm sure 2 GENIES would work just fine with HR's and H25s. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app

 

Too difficult to "police". Customer gets a second genie, then gets a client (or an RVU TV). System then runs into issues. Better for them to fix the issues before they allow two genies.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:40 AM

How hard is it to get a SWM system connected to the Internet, when the router is in the same room as the splitter and a DVR?

 

It's also possible I've had several below average techs.

There are thousands of installations and upgrades happening everyday, most of them happen without any hiccups


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:55 AM

I have 6 tuners now, and with 3 adults and child, we run into conflicts all the time. I don't need clients in my setup, and I truly don't need 12 tuners, but having PIP in two locations would be sweet. They'll have to swap me out to a SWM 16 as I keeping my other two DVR's and my H25. I'll sit tight with my other HR-23 and see what happens next year with allowing two Genie's. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using DBSTalk mobile app

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:58 AM

Yeah but two genies would support six clients instead if three. So what's the cost difference in running one genie plus a DVR plus a second dvr plus a h25 plus three clients vs. two genies and six clients?

As someone said earlier here, once they allow 2, folks would want 3 or 4 or more.  so figure a "regular" 4 TV set up "now" and "then" I'll use DirecTV's regular receiver lease prices as comparison 

 

1 Genie $300

3 minis $100 x 3 $300

1 SWM LNB $39.00 (according to SolidSignal)

Total $639 on hardware cost for a total of $18 in receiver fees

 

4 Genies $300 x4 $1200

2 SWM16 @ $105 each $210 (according to SolidSignal)

Total $1410 on hardware cost for a total of $18 in receiver fees. 

 

Now if customers were willing to pay regular lease prices for hardware, instead of calling and threatening  canceling to get free equipment, perhaps DirecTV would be singing another tune 


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:00 AM

The bigger complication is how you network all those together and at what point does Whole Home Service break down. Diplexing the deca via the way vos has drawn up is brilliant but probably would be lost on plenty as to what's really happening. That makes it harder to trouble shoot. Just mho.

Since techs do not have access to this fancy equipment, we do it the old fashion way, a DECA per switch


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:02 AM

Yeah but two genies would support six clients instead if three. So what's the cost difference in running one genie plus a DVR plus a second dvr plus a h25 plus three clients vs. two genies and six clients?

 

Here is an example... 

Directv should still aloud a second Genie on an account if one doesn't have clients. Because I'm sure 2 GENIES would work just fine with HR's and H25s. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:12 AM

There are thousands of installations and upgrades happening everyday, most of them happen without any hiccups

 

Multiband here must just be substandard, or I just happened to have gotten the 5-6 worst techs they have over the years. But I honestly thought that a dual SWM16 setup would be fairly unusual.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:23 AM

Thanks for confirming what I didn't want to be true. It'll be spring before I'd want to add a second, as that's when it'll be close to cleaned off, and that's when I'm replacing that TV. Maybe things will be different then. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using DBSTalk mobile app


Still hoping they sort this by June - time for my next freebie. Saturday morning for a "proper football" fan I can use 10 tuners between UK, Euro leagues.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:27 AM

 

 

Now if customers were willing to pay regular lease prices for hardware, instead of calling and threatening  canceling to get free equipment, perhaps DirecTV would be singing another tune 

 

Here one more... ↴

Still hoping they sort this by June - time for my next freebie. Saturday morning for a "proper football" fan I can use 10 tuners between UK, Euro leagues.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:43 AM

Not so much the tuners, it is the limit for the number series one can record that gives me hassles.

 

We have about 150 channels x 7 days x 3 prime shows per channel per day = 3150 possible series. And DirecTV limit us to 50 and a 100.

I record about 110 on my HR22...using ARSL with boolean searches....You can probably get close to 300 on an HR34/44....its quite easy to get 3 shows per link using ARSL booleans....


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:49 AM

As someone said earlier here, once they allow 2, folks would want 3 or 4 or more.

I'm more than happy to pay for my second Genie, so D* would get their up front asking price from me for my second one, and maybe that should be their rule.

First one can be "free", but each additional Genie will ding you for $299, or whatever they cost.

I'd switch out my H25 to a client to get DVR function in my daughter's room if it all worked right, and we'd live happily ever after.

I don't call and beat on D* to lower my bill, and I don't really get people that do. If my package or hardware were more than I could afford, I'd lower my package.

I'll take the "free" Genie next week because I didn't ask for it, D* offered it to me. My next one? Here's my credit card number.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:57 AM

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:01 AM

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:27 AM

What's an "average" tech?

One that isn't qualified/licensed to dabble in the dark art of current loop data?

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:37 AM

One that isn't qualified/licensed to dabble in the dark art of current loop data?

Is this how your dish network experience has been?


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:59 AM

As someone said earlier here, once they allow 2, folks would want 3 or 4 or more. so figure a "regular" 4 TV set up "now" and "then" I'll use DirecTV's regular receiver lease prices as comparison

1 Genie $300
3 minis $100 x 3 $300
1 SWM LNB $39.00 (according to SolidSignal)
Total $639 on hardware cost for a total of $18 in receiver fees

4 Genies $300 x4 $1200
2 SWM16 @ $105 each $210 (according to SolidSignal)
Total $1410 on hardware cost for a total of $18 in receiver fees.

Now if customers were willing to pay regular lease prices for hardware, instead of calling and threatening canceling to get free equipment, perhaps DirecTV would be singing another tune


If they allow more than two genies I have always figured you won't get a third one for free no matter what' the second one might be might not be. But not just the genie after the second one, but cost of materials for swims etc too...

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 02:41 PM

I don't call and beat on D* to lower my bill, and I don't really get people that do. If my package or hardware were more than I could afford, I'd lower my package.

 

I for one (and I think many here) do not call and "beat" on D* to lower my bill.  I call when my current credits expire and politely ask if there are any credits available to replace them.  If so, great, if not it is not an issue.  Most of the times there are credits available you just have to ask if your account has them.  Doesn't hurt to ask IMHO.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:19 PM

I've been lurking here awhile as this is a subject close to my heart and I suspect there will be a point where market pressure will dictate a second (or more Genies) per a single residential account will become a normal thing. I would second the opinion that additional ones should not be free but then I have "purchased" nearly all of my DVRs in order to ensure I got the model number I wanted and not some twice cooked HR21 that needs oxygen just to get through the day:)

 

My speculation on the matter is until they have reached a particular saturation/stockpile trigger point they are considering the "new" goodies should be spread around and not hoarded by us obsessive compulsive types.

 

Other speculations of mine see the Genie and 3 clients as a result of a marketing spreadsheet exercise (probably if you take all the receivers in residential accounts using DVRs and divide by the number of accounts you would get some 2.6 or some fractional value > 2 and <= 3). Given they had to cook up this new technical landscape targeted to the spreadsheet AND were highly deadline driven, it is considerably likely that the firmware (and mother ship billing software) were focused on this theoretical "Whole Home" deployment scaling. Building in to allow an account running multiple Genie's each possibly running multiple clients was not built into the products DNA for the initial release.

 

Meanwhile marketing moves forward with other new shiny things (read wireless clients, sports searches, HD Apps, etc) and these advancements stall going back and altering the base operational functionality to encapsulate more than one Genie. (and with some marketing model as a target basis, there is likely no real motivation to review that limitation at this time). Eventually pressure from the subscriber base may motivate that change but it would seem new shiny things and functionality seem to be the priority at present.

 

I personally want to architect my infrastructure to handle more than 2 Genies with some clients while still retaining several traditional 2 tuner DVRs in some locations, and perhaps several normal single tuner HD receivers for the guest rooms. I look forward to that becoming a reality someday but in the meantime. . .

 

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:23 PM

I'm more than happy to pay for my second Genie, so D* would get their up front asking price from me for my second one, and maybe that should be their rule. First one can be "free", but each additional Genie will ding you for $299, or whatever they cost. I'd switch out my H25 to a client to get DVR function in my daughter's room if it all worked right, and we'd live happily ever after. I don't call and beat on D* to lower my bill, and I don't really get people that do. If my package or hardware were more than I could afford, I'd lower my package. I'll take the "free" Genie next week because I didn't ask for it, D* offered it to me. My next one? Here's my credit card number.

But as you can see here on this thread, there are folks waiting for DirecTV to allow 2 or more Genies so they can call and get their "freebie"


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:24 PM

If they allow more than two genies I have always figured you won't get a third one for free no matter what' the second one might be might not be. But not just the genie after the second one, but cost of materials for swims etc too...

that is the problem, once they open the door, there is no way to close it, so to to speak 


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:41 PM

I record about 110 on my HR22...using ARSL with boolean searches....You can probably get close to 300 on an HR34/44....its quite easy to get 3 shows per link using ARSL booleans....

 

Yes, I could do a lot of work to in order to record shows I want watch later, but why should I when it is the company I am paying over a $100 a month to that is limiting me to less than 2% of the series I can record.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:45 PM

But as you can see here on this thread, there are folks waiting for DirecTV to allow 2 or more Genies so they can call and get their "freebie"

 

If they don't want to do it they could make a policy that additional Genies are $299 and not make exceptions for anyone. If people wanted it bad enough they'd pay, if they're just looking for "free stuff" they'd be out of luck.

 

It isn't clear that the demand for it is high enough to justify the investment in making multiple Genies work well together. If they wanted to be able to support more clients they could accomplish that with an 8 tuner Genie. Immediately following that announcement I'm sure people on dbstalk would begin scheming for ways to get their HR44 replaced by it. :)


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 06:12 PM

:) It may not have to be a real high demand to turn the tide though. With cord cutting and competition from other providers it may become a requirement just from the competitive marketing perspective. Also DirectTV is always striving to separate itself as a technology leader and is positioning its offerings to the more upscale subscriber segment. This would naturally entail larger domiciles which would require more receivers.

 

As it sits right now, accounts such as mine which have more than 10 receivers and a monthly bill north of two bills just for the services themselves are being held back by a shortsighted positioning for a "4 unit = a Whole Home" limitation.

 

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If they don't want to do it they could make a policy that additional Genies are $299 and not make exceptions for anyone. If people wanted it bad enough they'd pay, if they're just looking for "free stuff" they'd be out of luck.

 

It isn't clear that the demand for it is high enough to justify the investment in making multiple Genies work well together. If they wanted to be able to support more clients they could accomplish that with an 8 tuner Genie. Immediately following that announcement I'm sure people on dbstalk would begin scheming for ways to get their HR44 replaced by it. :)


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:56 PM

If they allow more than two genies I have always figured you won't get a third one for free no matter what' the second one might be might not be. But not just the genie after the second one, but cost of materials for swims etc too...

In case you forgot we pay monthly fees for these And have programming fees as well as 24 month commitments on leased equipment, hardly what I would call free.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:54 PM

If they don't want to do it they could make a policy that additional Genies are $299 and not make exceptions for anyone. If people wanted it bad enough they'd pay, if they're just looking for "free stuff" they'd be out of luck.

 

 

but then they have to make exceptions for exceptions and opening "pandora's box"


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