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Multiple Genie's allowed?


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#21 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:15 PM

What's so hard about marrying a couple or for that matter 3 or four switches together?  this is not any difference that marrying multiple 6x8 or 6x16s together when there was no SWM and DVRs used 2 cables.

 

How hard is it to get a SWM system connected to the Internet, when the router is in the same room as the splitter and a DVR?

 

It's also possible I've had several below average techs.



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#22 OFFLINE   acostapimps

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:48 PM

For someone that likes to record more than 2 tuners, 2 Genie's would be nice as long as there both 44's, and since I have a SWM 16 I would definitely switch out the HR24 for another HR44 (I already have 1 HR44 ) no way I'll get the minis, That would leave me with 12 tuners (HR44,HR44,H24,D12) and still have room for 2 more DVR's. Sent from my iPad using DBSTalk mobile app

#23 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:41 AM

What's so hard about marrying a couple or for that matter 3 or four switches together? this is not any difference that marrying multiple 6x8 or 6x16s together when there was no SWM and DVRs used 2 cables.


The bigger complication is how you network all those together and at what point does Whole Home Service break down. Diplexing the deca via the way vos has drawn up is brilliant but probably would be lost on plenty as to what's really happening. That makes it harder to trouble shoot. Just mho.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:44 AM

Correct, however having these many Genies adds much more to support these receivers in hardware cost and yields the same monthly fees in return as it they had Genie minis


Yeah but two genies would support six clients instead if three. So what's the cost difference in running one genie plus a DVR plus a second dvr plus a h25 plus three clients vs. two genies and six clients?

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:57 AM

The way I understand it, the reason they don't allow two Genies is that the clients mis-behave when there are two possible servers to which they can connect. Since a client has to registered with the server, if they attempt to attach to "other" server, the connection is rejected.

While Harsh may be correct that they could have solved this problem by now, there are other more important client/Genie issues to be addressed. Since a very small number of their customers want more than one Genie, it just isn't a high priority. It is far easier, and basically without any penalty, to say that only one Genie may be active on an account.

Directv should still aloud a second Genie on an account if one doesn't have clients. Because I'm sure 2 GENIES would work just fine with HR's and H25s.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:14 AM

Directv should still aloud a second Genie on an account if one doesn't have clients. Because I'm sure 2 GENIES would work just fine with HR's and H25s. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app

 

Too difficult to "police". Customer gets a second genie, then gets a client (or an RVU TV). System then runs into issues. Better for them to fix the issues before they allow two genies.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:40 AM

How hard is it to get a SWM system connected to the Internet, when the router is in the same room as the splitter and a DVR?

 

It's also possible I've had several below average techs.

There are thousands of installations and upgrades happening everyday, most of them happen without any hiccups


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:55 AM

I have 6 tuners now, and with 3 adults and child, we run into conflicts all the time. I don't need clients in my setup, and I truly don't need 12 tuners, but having PIP in two locations would be sweet. They'll have to swap me out to a SWM 16 as I keeping my other two DVR's and my H25. I'll sit tight with my other HR-23 and see what happens next year with allowing two Genie's. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using DBSTalk mobile app

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:58 AM

Yeah but two genies would support six clients instead if three. So what's the cost difference in running one genie plus a DVR plus a second dvr plus a h25 plus three clients vs. two genies and six clients?

As someone said earlier here, once they allow 2, folks would want 3 or 4 or more.  so figure a "regular" 4 TV set up "now" and "then" I'll use DirecTV's regular receiver lease prices as comparison 

 

1 Genie $300

3 minis $100 x 3 $300

1 SWM LNB $39.00 (according to SolidSignal)

Total $639 on hardware cost for a total of $18 in receiver fees

 

4 Genies $300 x4 $1200

2 SWM16 @ $105 each $210 (according to SolidSignal)

Total $1410 on hardware cost for a total of $18 in receiver fees. 

 

Now if customers were willing to pay regular lease prices for hardware, instead of calling and threatening  canceling to get free equipment, perhaps DirecTV would be singing another tune 


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:00 AM

The bigger complication is how you network all those together and at what point does Whole Home Service break down. Diplexing the deca via the way vos has drawn up is brilliant but probably would be lost on plenty as to what's really happening. That makes it harder to trouble shoot. Just mho.

Since techs do not have access to this fancy equipment, we do it the old fashion way, a DECA per switch


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:02 AM

Yeah but two genies would support six clients instead if three. So what's the cost difference in running one genie plus a DVR plus a second dvr plus a h25 plus three clients vs. two genies and six clients?

 

Here is an example... 

Directv should still aloud a second Genie on an account if one doesn't have clients. Because I'm sure 2 GENIES would work just fine with HR's and H25s. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:12 AM

There are thousands of installations and upgrades happening everyday, most of them happen without any hiccups

 

Multiband here must just be substandard, or I just happened to have gotten the 5-6 worst techs they have over the years. But I honestly thought that a dual SWM16 setup would be fairly unusual.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:23 AM

Thanks for confirming what I didn't want to be true. It'll be spring before I'd want to add a second, as that's when it'll be close to cleaned off, and that's when I'm replacing that TV. Maybe things will be different then. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using DBSTalk mobile app


Still hoping they sort this by June - time for my next freebie. Saturday morning for a "proper football" fan I can use 10 tuners between UK, Euro leagues.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:27 AM

 

 

Now if customers were willing to pay regular lease prices for hardware, instead of calling and threatening  canceling to get free equipment, perhaps DirecTV would be singing another tune 

 

Here one more... ↴

Still hoping they sort this by June - time for my next freebie. Saturday morning for a "proper football" fan I can use 10 tuners between UK, Euro leagues.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:43 AM

Not so much the tuners, it is the limit for the number series one can record that gives me hassles.

 

We have about 150 channels x 7 days x 3 prime shows per channel per day = 3150 possible series. And DirecTV limit us to 50 and a 100.

I record about 110 on my HR22...using ARSL with boolean searches....You can probably get close to 300 on an HR34/44....its quite easy to get 3 shows per link using ARSL booleans....


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:49 AM

As someone said earlier here, once they allow 2, folks would want 3 or 4 or more.

I'm more than happy to pay for my second Genie, so D* would get their up front asking price from me for my second one, and maybe that should be their rule.

First one can be "free", but each additional Genie will ding you for $299, or whatever they cost.

I'd switch out my H25 to a client to get DVR function in my daughter's room if it all worked right, and we'd live happily ever after.

I don't call and beat on D* to lower my bill, and I don't really get people that do. If my package or hardware were more than I could afford, I'd lower my package.

I'll take the "free" Genie next week because I didn't ask for it, D* offered it to me. My next one? Here's my credit card number.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:57 AM

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:01 AM

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:27 AM

What's an "average" tech?

One that isn't qualified/licensed to dabble in the dark art of current loop data?

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:37 AM

One that isn't qualified/licensed to dabble in the dark art of current loop data?

Is this how your dish network experience has been?


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