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Reports: NFL, DirecTV near new Sunday Ticket deal


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#51 OFFLINE   damondlt

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:48 PM

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:49 PM

Nope, but it tells you what big business football is.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:50 PM

Yeah, you're right. The NFL should turn down a billion dollars in revenue because "most people" don't want the programming.

Are you going to tell a business owner "most people will never set foot in your establishment - close up shop"? 90% of the people who pass your establishment will never come in ... your business is a failure. You're making a billion a year but you are a failure.

The service is there for the people who want it - and a lot of people want it and are willing to pay.

We aren't talking about the NFL. The NFL will make a ton of money regardless of what directv does with their deal.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:52 PM

Nope, but it tells you what big business football is.

Yep your right NFL football. NOT directvs exclusive ST package.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:58 PM

Yep your right NFL football. NOT directvs exclusive ST package. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app

It's very big with DirecTV, too, with the commercial accounts alone. It's damn near impossible to a Hooters, Buffalo Wild Wings or casino without it.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 06:02 PM

We aren't talking about the NFL. The NFL will make a ton of money regardless of what directv does with their deal. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app

Now that's plain funny.

 

Reality Check:

 

Almost everyone knows TV broadcast rights make up most of the NFL's revenue. DirecTV pays roughly $1 Billion (that's Billion with a "B") each season for the rights to the NFL Sunday Ticket package. Very few others have the ability to pony up that kind of money for a single optional service and deliver it so that they don't lose money themselves. The operational startup and maintenance costs alone to support NFL ST delivery to DirecTV customers adds millions more in cost, not revenue.

 

Perhaps if some people knew the facts instead of anecdotal fodder...they could understand the reality of this topic.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 06:02 PM

It's very big with DirecTV, too, with the commercial accounts alone. It's damn near impossible to a Hooters, Buffalo Wild Wings or casino without it.

Really its less then 3 million accounts. Let's not go crazy now.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 06:04 PM

Really its less then 3 million accounts. Let's not go crazy now. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app

How about reading the post right before yours...it's a reality check.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 06:07 PM

What Facts.? That Directv well inflated the NFL head with an estimated value that's way above what most people or company care to pay for. Congratulations Directv, now you can pay 4 billion for it, I hope you can break even this time with less then 3 million subscribers. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 06:27 PM


Let me ask you guys a Question,
If Directv can pay 4 Billion dollars for NFL ST , that's a 400% increase.

Why is it they can't afford to give its customer a break on these price increases, when the networks only want a fraction of what Directv want to offer the NFL?

Maybe they could invest that 4 Billion into what 18 million of its subscribers want.

Put my mind at ease and we'll call it a day.

Directv has held this ST offer in front of its customers for Years, and guess what , Most customers don't care anything about it.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:45 PM


Why is it they can't afford to give its customer a break on these price increases, when the networks only want a fraction of what Directv want to offer the NFL?

Maybe they could invest that 4 Billion into what 18 million of its subscribers want.
 

and they do.  many, many customers have posted here that they are getting almost or over 300 dollars saving on their packages when  they call in and "complain" about the price increase. some bug chink of money is being invested on retaining customers 


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:03 PM

Let me ask you guys a Question,
If Directv can pay 4 Billion dollars for NFL ST , that's a 400% increase.

Why is it they can't afford to give its customer a break on these price increases, when the networks only want a fraction of what Directv want to offer the NFL?

Maybe they could invest that 4 Billion into what 18 million of its subscribers want.

Put my mind at ease and we'll call it a day.

Directv has held this ST offer in front of its customers for Years, and guess what , Most customers don't care anything about it.
That's a FACT!

 

 

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. So only 10% of Directv customers get NFLST. What percentage of them get HBO? What percentage would subscribe to CNN, AMC, or Disney if it was sold as a separate channel? There is NOTHING out there, aside from perhaps ESPN, that even half of Directv, Dish or cable subscribers would subscribe to if it were broken out as a ala carte offering in the way NFLST is.

 

Your complaining would have a point if NFLST was bundled into the top end package so you couldn't avoid it. But it isn't, so if you don't want it, don't get it. Problem solved.


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 08:08 AM

Without knowing all the terms of any agreement...and they are far more complex than a simple annual fee to the NFL....all the guestimation is speculation.

 

What has been totally ignored from this conversation is the advertising revenue and what role it plays, beyond just subscriber revenue. There are also corporate customer considerations (sports bars for example).

 

The point is that someone trying to figure out the financials based on highly-limited information is just spinning in a circle.

 

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 08:21 AM

I think the popularity and subsequent viewership would be even higher if it was more widely available, like through an IP carrier such as Google or Apple, especially if these carriers offered more customizable packages.

Imagine all of the people forced into cable or fios because their desire or need to "bundle" outweighs their desire for Sunday Ticket. I know personally a few friends who would subscribe to Sunday Ticket if they could get it through their "bundled" carrier, and since it is unlikely that it would be offered through Cable, streaming through their bundled internet provider would be the only alternative.

How many more people would subscribe in such a manner? I have no idea, but it wouldn't be far-fetched to imagine viewership and subscriptions to it to at least double, maybe even triple if the NFL went with a traditional and streaming provider.

Basing the popularity on what is seen through DirecTV only is just scratching the surface in my opinion. It's akin to basing the popularity of a car if it only came in one model and one color. Offer more choices and I bet more people would buy.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 12:38 PM

We aren't talking about the NFL. The NFL will make a ton of money regardless of what directv does with their deal.


Actually we are talking about the NFL. DirecTV isn't paying someone else for the rights to Sunday Ticket. The NFL is the one making the billion dollars off of DirecTV. While it would be nice if DirecTV was paying Segs4Vets the billion dollars it is the NFL that is getting the money.

Perhaps you or your business are in a position to turn down a billion dollars in revenue. I don't believe Donald Trump nor Warren Buffet would be so callous about a billion dollars - neither should the NFL. And if by spending the billion dollars DirecTV can recoup that cost and make a profit then DirecTV should continue offering Sunday Ticket.
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:31 PM

Let me ask you guys a Question,
If Directv can pay 4 Billion dollars for NFL ST , that's a 400% increase.

Why is it they can't afford to give its customer a break on these price increases, when the networks only want a fraction of what Directv want to offer the NFL?

Maybe they could invest that 4 Billion into what 18 million of its subscribers want.

Put my mind at ease and we'll call it a day.

Directv has held this ST offer in front of its customers for Years, and guess what , Most customers don't care anything about it.
That's a FACT!


They wouldn't have nearly $4 billion to invest in something else if they didn't have the Sunday ticket in the first place. I think that's what your missing. Sunday day ticket drives a massive amount of revenue into DIRECTV, otherwise they wouldn't have it.

Actually, Sunday ticket has a very big top down affect. Many peope, will tell others who care nothing about Sunday ticket how great DIRECTV is just because of Sunday ticket and recommend DIRECTV for that reason. It adds subs all the time because of that. That is a fact too.

The irony to me is they are falling behind on some features for their actual equipment basically saying they don't want to overwhelm customers and want to shoot for joe six pack basically instead of doing the same thing by making their DVRs far better than everyone else and going the top down route with equipment too to gain more subscribers. Oh well.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:33 PM

What Facts.? That Directv well inflated the NFL head with an estimated value that's way above what most people or company care to pay for. Congratulations Directv, now you can pay 4 billion for it, I hope you can break even this time with less then 3 million subscribers. Sent from my PantechP8010 using DBSTalk mobile app


If Sunday ticket didn't bring in far more money than it cost them to get, then you would see DIRECTV prices way higher than everyone else, and yet in my area charter without any Sunday ticket and hardly any sports packages at all is more expensive than DIRECTV.

So you need to consider that Sunday ticket brings in so much more money and doesn't really make their rates higher, even though you think it does.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:13 PM

Google's gazillions in disposable cash drives this potential re-up with DTV. They are currently paying $1B and it is expected to bump up to $1.5B in the next deal to keep exclusivity, and they will. The NFL is not about to turn their golden goose over to the Internet with Google or anyone else for any number of reasons. While DTV offers ST subscribers the option to ADD an Internet stream, that is not the heart of this deal.

I get ST because I am a Jets fan in SC (please, no jokes about how bad my team is :) ) and some Sundays what the networks give me is putrid. But my main reason for wanting ST on DTV is the quality of the picture as opposed to the Internet. I just retired from sports writing and when I covered a specific team I could still watch my Jets in the press box. I also subscribed to Extra Innings as well as having the Internet package and I can tell you, as much as MLB and the NFL try, anything over the net with live sports is simply HD "quality."

If Google were to buy the rights, imagine the demand on area Internet trunks. If it is an older area there would be massive buffering of the picture and if you get a picture it would degrade to being worse than SD channels. Additionally, cable is not capable of handling the demand for nearly the same reason and in order to provide HD for all games, they would have to make signal adjustments pulling from some other channels to handle the load. DTV had early issues with ST where some channels were not available or in SD only. It's not that way now, but cable faces this problem if they were to gain access.

Further, Dish is notoriously anti-sports. The only reason they have any is that they were pulled into it kicking and screaming and if they had it their way they wouldn't have any. I had a bitter battle with them on their promises to get me as a subscriber and I wouldn't go back to them even if they paid me. Even if they had the capabilities to handle ST, do you think for one minute Dish will cough up $1.5B a year? You have a better chance of starting a snowball fight in hell.

At least for the foreseeable future, the ST and DTV will continue to be joined at the hip. It is reported that DTV loses money on ST, but that is not the core of their business model, it is in addition to. Other reports had stockholders up in arms about having to pay $1.5B per if they renew, but that furor died down because they will continue to get some nice quarterly checks.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:52 PM

Why do you say Dish is "anti sports"? They don't carry nearly as much as Directv does, but they have lately gone out of their way to add Pac 12 and SEC Network .They wouldn't have added those conference networks if that was true.

 

I think there would be room for a true anti sports provider, though it has to be satellite or a layered service like FIOS who became that provider. It can't be cable because in any areas where they were the only option they'd have their franchise pulled in about two seconds by angry sports fans.

 

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Dish really was anti sports, and dropped all sports networks, even ESPN. They could undercut everyone's prices, and see smaller yearly rate increases. If about 50% of TV subscribers don't care about sports, that is a lot of potential customers. It might be too late to try it now, since the internet becomes a better and better option for these people every year, but it would have really shook up the market if they'd decided to become that a decade ago.

 

If there was true competition among cable providers they wouldn't all be trying to be all things to all people, and would have provided real options for subscribers.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 05:26 PM

I have no idea to the validity of this article, but it did just pop up. The only thing new it states, if it is true, is that the exclusive negotiating window must have lapsed.

Would Google and DirecTV share rights? That's something that really hasn't been mentioned much in the main or not-so-main stream media. I think such a match, with DirecTV only providing traditional carriage, and Google with streaming rights, would make everyone happy.

DirecTV might even get a discount, or at the very least not pay more than they are now, while the NFL would get more across both spectrums, and customers, who refuse or cannot get satellite for whatever reason, would have access.

Such a scheme would especially appeal to the millennials, tomorrow's audience who grew up on Youtube:



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Well it looks like the days of DirecTV holding the exclusive rights to the NFL Sunday Ticket may be coming to an end. The NFL is in talks with Google to offer live streaming of NFL games on YouTube through their Google TV service.

DirecTV has been the exclusive provider of the Sunday Ticket feature for years, but critics complain of the high cost and lack of customization. Currently if you are a fan of the Carolina Panthers and live in Boise Idaho your only (legal) option to see their games is to purchase the NFL Sunday Ticket package through DirecTV. Now this works fine if you own a home or have an apartment with a balcony, but for those who don’t this service is not an option. On top of that you cannot limit yourself to just getting the Panthers season, you must sign up for a $300+ package to receive every game for every team even if you have no interest in watching any other teams play.

Google has said they hope to offer customers with the option to customize their NFL package and therefore limit the cost someone would pay. No need to pay for teams and games you are not going to watch, just follow your favorite team.

Currently DirecTV has a contract with the NFL to offer the Sunday Ticket through the end of the 2014 season. However, the NFL has asked for an increases from $1 billion to $1.4 billion to renew their contract and opened up negotiations with other competitors to offer the service. Whether this is a ploy to get DirecTV to shell out the additional $400 million, or to legitimately open up the service, remains to be seen but the idea of being able to watch NFL games on YouTube is an interesting idea to contemplate.

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 10:05 PM

I see the nfl wanting dtv and a streaming option, and I can see DTV and Google working together to provide the service overall, but Directv would not be happy if they couldn't offer it streaming to their customers on their own as well.



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Posted 19 January 2014 - 12:17 AM

It's very big with DirecTV, too, with the commercial accounts alone. It's damn near impossible to a Hooters, Buffalo Wild Wings or casino without it.

good luck getting google IPTV system working in a bar setting pulling 8+ games at the same time much less hardware with component out may even need loop through as you still need DTV / dish + cable to get other sports channels and I don't think that bars will want to buy bigger matrix switches or upgrade them + cables to HDMI


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:20 AM

I couldn't see the NFL selling NFLST to Google (or someone else interested in streaming rights) instead of Directv. I could see maybe selling Google the rights to sell streams for a single team's games (subject to the same blackout rules as NFLST, no doubt) and Directv retaining the rights for the full NFLST package. Directv would reduce their cost, and the NFL could get fans who can't/won't subscribe to Directv or don't want to pay $300/yr to watch perhaps a dozen games a year for their non-local team that aren't on national feeds.

 

You're totally right that it isn't practical to do IP streaming of a half dozen live games at once, for either commercial or residential settings. There would be too many problems, and Google and the NFL would take a lot of criticism from people for problems they have no control over or no way to fix.

 

Maybe Google would be interested in buying and the NFL be interested in selling "next day" rights to stream the games on Monday. For non-live content this would work much much better, and there are a lot of fans who might be interested in paying less to see the games during the week instead of watching them live.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 06:02 AM

Maybe they could invest that 4 Billion into what 18 million of its subscribers want.

 

 

Directv continues to spend $1B+ on Sunday ticket because it generates a profit.

If there were some other service that Directv could invest in that would add to it's customer base and generate greater profits they'd do it.

Don't begrudge Directv's management for being intelligent business people.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 07:07 AM

Don't begrudge Directv's management for being intelligent business people.

If that's not the biggest oxymoron I've ever heard.

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