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Reports: NFL, DirecTV near new Sunday Ticket deal


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#161 OFFLINE   slice1900

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 01:34 PM

One thing, though, and it's the most ironic part of this situation, is that if the NFL strips DirecTV of exclusivity of Sunday Ticket, it would probably ease a lot of the concerns regarding the NFL's anti-trust exemption, which has been used by legislators in the past against the NFL for doing such deals in regards to their exemption.

 

The only reason the Sunday Ticket exclusivity has been an "issue" for legislators is mainly due to Arlen Spector, who was mainly concerned with the NFL Network. Why? Because Cablevision is based in his home state (PA) and its owners have donated millions of dollars to him over the years. They weren't able to reach a deal to carry the NFL Network, and I believe still haven't, so they used Specter as a proxy to attack the NFL.

 

There's really no reason the NFL shouldn't give up that exemption, as the only purpose it serves today is to shield the NFL from taxes. The MLB gave up their exemption voluntarily a few years ago, and reported it was revenue neutral - as you'd think the NFL's would be, since it passes through all the revenue to the 32 teams and keeps just enough to pay for its offices and salaries. They might have to keep a few million more if they ended up owning a bit of taxes, but it isn't like they'd be paying taxes on all those billions washing through.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 02:43 PM

Let's get this straight:

NFL teams take a lot of money from local governments to build stadiums.

The NFL pays no income tax because it is a non-profit entity whose purpose is to organize the teams. The individual teams are subject to income tax.

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Back to the original thread, there have been some rumblings that Verizon may end up with the Sunday Ticket. I assume that means FIOS and Verizon DSL/cell service would be means through which ST would be provided to customers. Since FIOS is very, very limited, could Verizon sublease it to Directv? Could there be a joint agreement where it's offered both on FIOS and Directv? This would eliminate the complaint of those in many urban areas who can't put up a dish.


The nfl will never put FIOS in charge of st. They may let them have it to but they'd never be selling it to others and never have exclusive rights to it either. Not as the company is set up now.

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 05:13 PM

The only reason the Sunday Ticket exclusivity has been an "issue" for legislators is mainly due to Arlen Spector, who was mainly concerned with the NFL Network. Why? Because Cablevision is based in his home state (PA) and its owners have donated millions of dollars to him over the years. They weren't able to reach a deal to carry the NFL Network, and I believe still haven't, so they used Specter as a proxy.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:22 AM

Almost 3 months & still nothing.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:42 PM

They have until September 2015 to figure out it, so I wouldn't start worrying just yet!


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:38 PM

I would say that at this point in time.. no news is bad news...for those of us using D*.. even if the companies merge, it doesn't seem that Sunday Ticket, is staying, past this year.. if even offered this year.. 



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:52 PM

I would say that at this point in time.. no news is bad news...for those of us using D*.. even if the companies merge, it doesn't seem that Sunday Ticket, is staying, past this year.. if even offered this year.. 

I think its good news.

I don't care if NFL ST is exclusive.


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 05:03 PM

I think its good news.

I don't care if NFL ST is exclusive.

 

if you don't care, then it is neither good nor bad news, yes?


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 05:21 PM

if you don't care, then it is neither good nor bad news, yes?

No, I just said its good news

 

You may care if its Exclusive, I prefer it not to be.

Hence why I don't care that a deal isn't made.


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 05:22 PM

The pricing is up on the website for this year so I'm guessing it's on this year.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 05:25 PM

No, I just said its good news

 

You may care if its Exclusive, I prefer it not to be.

Hence why I don't care that a deal isn't made.

 

Okay. You meant to say that you do care. Got it.

 

I don't care either as long as I get what I get now. If DirecTV doesn't have a least a share, I don't think anyone else would do it as well. But Comcast and Fios can have it if they want as far as I am concerned.


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 06:07 PM

The current Sunday Ticket contract includes this year (2014). The negotiation is for years to follow.

I personally can't see how DTV gives this up. They may opt not to have exclusive rights any longer but I think they'll still offer it. Too many sports bar and business revenue to miss out on.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 07:35 AM

I dont really care im addicted to redzone.

 

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:03 AM

Well, if the most recent public comments are any indication, it appears the digital rights constitute the hold up.

I'm speculating, but I believe DirecTV wants to retain exclusive digital rights over the life of the contract, while the NFL has plans of their own for that medium, be it selling it separately or keeping it in-house.

Or it could be something as simple as price, considering the estimated increases likely for Sunday Ticket, percentage-wise. Or it could be a mix of both, which seems very plausible.

I can't see DirecTV playing hardball with the the likes of the NFL, with a take it or leave it attitude they've been throwing around recently, but who knows? The NFL is just as stubborn and usually gets want they want, at least they have for almost every media deal they've made to date.

When it comes to leverage, the NFL has it all in my opinion and they know it.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:44 PM

Well, if the most recent public comments are any indication, it appears the digital rights constitute the hold up.

I'm speculating, but I believe DirecTV wants to retain exclusive digital rights over the life of the contract, while the NFL has plans of their own for that medium, be it selling it separately or keeping it in-house.

 

If that was the case, Directv would surely be willing to pay much less. It is worth less to customers if they can buy the NFL equivalent of MLBEI, and worth less to commercial customers to carry NFLST if more of their customer base has access to the NFL over the internet. So they'd be willing to pay less for it. I don't think it would even be worth what Directv is paying the NFL today, let alone whatever the NFL probably wants them to pay under the new contract.

 

The NFL wants to sell it as an exclusive deal because that means they can sell it for more money than if it becomes something you can get on any provider. In the past there has only been Directv, since Dish showed little interest. There hadn't been any cable providers who could get involved since none were truly national, but Comcast will be pretty close to national if the merger goes through. If they got it, they'd have a pretty good stranglehold on pro sports between the Comcast/TWC pro team RSNs and NFLST - and I'm sure they'd make their customers pay dearly at that point.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 11:08 PM

If that was the case, Directv would surely be willing to pay much less. It is worth less to customers if they can buy the NFL equivalent of MLBEI, and worth less to commercial customers to carry NFLST if more of their customer base has access to the NFL over the internet. So they'd be willing to pay less for it. I don't think it would even be worth what Directv is paying the NFL today, let alone whatever the NFL probably wants them to pay under the new contract.

 

The NFL wants to sell it as an exclusive deal because that means they can sell it for more money than if it becomes something you can get on any provider. In the past there has only been Directv, since Dish showed little interest. There hadn't been any cable providers who could get involved since none were truly national, but Comcast will be pretty close to national if the merger goes through. If they got it, they'd have a pretty good stranglehold on pro sports between the Comcast/TWC pro team RSNs and NFLST - and I'm sure they'd make their customers pay dearly at that point.

comcast can't even get nbc premier league extra time right and they own NBC.

 

also if they get NFL ST they will need to make so that bars can get the games in HD in a easy to tune way


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 09:04 AM

I actually believe to opposite: the NFL can probably get more money (as a whole) dumping the exclusive deal.

While yes, I agree that the price DirecTV pays would arguably be less if indeed the NFL were to offer rights elsewhere, however, the potential "net" windfall to the NFL would be greater, in my estimation (and opinion) should it be made available elsewhere.

It doesn't necessarily have to be Comcast. In fact, the best option (for everyone in my opinion) would be "over the top," while keeping DirecTV as the sole "traditional" provider. In fact, I think this option may be the holdup, either in principle or either DirecTV agrees and it falls to pricing.

If this were true (and again I'm speculating) and DirecTV agrees in principle to this change, then I would argue that they probably should get a discount, or at the very least shield themselves from the NFL's usual percentage increase. Whether the NFL agrees is another matter entirely.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 09:37 AM

If you're up to speed on what the NFL is doing lately... they're really trying to bring in more revenue and expand their brand.

 

18 game season

Expanded playoffs 

Possible Football on other days of the week, Saturday...

London Franchise

Etc.

 

There's got to be people that either can't have satellite, or chose not to, but that would otherwise subscribe to the Ticket.

More subscribers, more ad revenue, more fans, more merchandise, more, more, more.

Seems like the Goodell is really pushing to grow the brand.  Maybe 5 years ago a billion dollar exclusive deal was good business, but in 2015 (my personal opinion) I think reaching more people would be greater than wanting the exclusive deal.

I'm expecting NFL ticket on other providers

Internet only packages (Apple TV, Playstation, etc)

It's all about the $$$


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:20 AM

You said it!


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 11:35 AM

I actually believe to opposite: the NFL can probably get more money (as a whole) dumping the exclusive deal.


I agree. It was always rumored/assumed the nfl wanted it limited because of the deals with CBS and fox.

They may be changing their minds.
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