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#1 OFFLINE   phrelin

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:03 PM

I received an email from Dish Network today that says:

 

Account Number: XXXXX

 

Dear XXXXX,

 

Starting February 2014, DISH is changing pricing on select programming and services. Most customers will see a $5 increase on their core programming package. You will receive detailed information about these changes in your next bill.

 

Thank you for being a valued DISH customer.

 

IMHO that would be a reasonable price increase given the decision by the world, apparently, that it's ok to bail out the dying local broadcast channels by taxing me.


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#2 OFFLINE   Gloria_Chavez

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:44 PM

Let's do some math.  In 3Q13, the average Dish revenue per subscriber was 81.05, up 5.3% over 3Q12.

 

Now, Dish has said that it will increase rates by 5 dollars.  So, 5/81.05, an increase of 6.2%.

 

From an increase of 5.3%, to an increase of 6.2%.

 

Meanwhile, the inflation rate for the last twelve months has been 1.2%.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:51 PM

I got the letter also.  Pretty much already dropped all the extra channels over the last couple years.  Down to the Top 120 and that seems to be fine.  I'd rather spend the $8/mo for Netflix than go back to Top 200 or higher.  Already have a lot more than I can watch. 


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:54 PM

I haven't received the letter or email yet but I agree with phrelin, 5 bucks isn't too bad.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:59 PM

I haven't received the letter or email yet but I agree with phrelin, 5 bucks isn't too bad.

 

Until next year around this time, we say it again"Oh, 5 bucks (or whatever) isn't too bad"

And the next...

And the next...

 

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:35 PM

Just glanced at 1Q13 arpu vs 1Q12 arpu. 

 

Pay-TV ARPU for the first quarter totaled $78.54, an improvement over the first quarter 2012 pay-TV ARPU of $76.24.

 

It increased 3.0%.

 

So, from 3.0% increase one year ago, to a proposed 6.2% increase 1Q13/1Q12.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 12:35 AM

What can we do? Switch to a smaller package or change carriers but Direct TV and Cable also goes up. Everything always costs more. The local stations are demanding more too. I think if the locals and sports channels were in separate packages, the price increases would be less often too.



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 02:20 AM

What can we do? Give it all up and go internet + Roku + Netflix + maybe locals with antenna.



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 06:13 AM

I received an email from Dish Network today that says:

 

 

IMHO that would be a reasonable price increase given the decision by the world, apparently, that it's ok to bail out the dying local broadcast channels by taxing me.

 

I didn't get the email, what package/services do you have?



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 06:28 AM

So, from 3.0% increase one year ago, to a proposed 6.2% increase 1Q13/1Q12.


The trouble with your numbers from a year ago is that a year ago DISH also increased their rates by "about $5" across the board. Which would naturally be a higher increase than the proposed $5 increase this year. ($75 to $80 is a higher percentage increase than $80 to $85.)

Increasing rates by 6% does not increase ARPU by 6%. Such a claim would be false.

One of the reasons why is that DISH is *NOT* increasing all rates by 6%. Even if they raised all package prices by $5 that does not raise the additional receiver fees and other add ons by the same percentage as the core packages. Plus consumers react to price increases. After the 2013 price increase some consumers scaled back their subscriptions (as reported by representative consumers on the Internet). In response to the price increase they lowered the revenue they sent the company.

Which is why the 2013 price increase of "about $5" turned in to an ARPU increase of less.

The 2013 price increase was $5 on most packages (7 to 11%), $10 on AT120+ (20%) and $15 on AEP (14%). That did not translate into a 7%+ increase in ARPU.
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Posted 19 December 2013 - 06:28 AM

I got the email and immediately understood the reason for the increase.  Headlines the same day talked about the wireless internet venture in partnership with Sprint.  Have to pay for that somehow.

 

Waiting to see the actual price changes for my account.  I'm already at $174/month.  I'd love to switch to Hopper/Joey setup but that would push me over $200/month.  I've been a loyal Dish customer since mid 1990's but they have me looking at the alternatives.



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 07:46 AM

I haven't received the letter or email yet but I agree with phrelin, 5 bucks isn't too bad.

I guess that depends on your income and other expenses.

 

For some, $5/mo can be quite a lot.

 

I'm already planning on dropping Dish by the first of the year once I get the rest of my recordings transferred to where Dish can't delete or cut off access to them on a whim.  If I don't drop them completely, I'll be dropping to something like the Welcome Pack from AT250 that I've had for over 10 years.

 

How much more did Chuckie and his co-horts pocket this year?


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:27 AM

In my case my total bill will only rise 2-3%. Again IMO not too bad.

 

I wonder if this is the price of getting Disney back on board?



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:37 AM

This doesn't include the fees that will be going up as well.



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:40 AM

Assuming no changes to the channel lineup, the value of the DISH product doesn't change.  

 

It's our currency becoming weaker and less desirable that is the problem.



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:33 AM

I received an email from Dish Network today that says:

 

 

IMHO that would be a reasonable price increase given the decision by the world, apparently, that it's ok to bail out the dying local broadcast channels by taxing me.

My Social Security increase will be $6. That's fair I guess. 


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:58 AM

This doesn't include the fees that will be going up as well.

 

According to a list seen elsewhere the only fees going up are Hopper related.



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:00 AM

According to a list seen elsewhere the only fees going up are Hopper related.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:09 AM

My Social Security increase will be $6. That's fair I guess. 

Hope nothing else went up for you!



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 12:16 PM

If there is to be an across the board DISH rate increase, I might feign ignorance of this 'heads up', and really kick my package up several notches, and then when the increase comes through call and scream at 'em, and put it back to what I have now.

 

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 12:39 PM

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 03:17 PM

I'm glad I was changing my package at the beginning of January. No increase in money coming from me instead I will be saving 5 dollars compared to what I'm paying now,


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 06:48 PM

Dish's revenue, whether it's calculated per subscriber or as a total, doesn't interest me. My revenue determines what I do and I dropped to the AT120 package a while back.

 

I do miss the days when I wasn't obligated to pay for locals. It's weird knowing that I could drop the whole works and these days we would be able to watch by streaming 70% of what we watch at no cost but our ISP bill (which we pay anyway so I can post here :sure:) - except we'd have to watch commercials like we did a few decades ago. But we wouldn't have to watch the shows in a linear fashion like we did back then.

 

What I haven't determined is what my costs would be to stream through Amazon or Netflix shows from HBO, Showtime, Starz, and some basic cable channels, show episodes which won't be available within the live airing season and won't be free when they become available. And I'd have to risk not living long enough to see some I might enjoy. wink.gif

 

But let's face it, there are so many options it's almost confusing.

 

I do resent every penny I have to pay to the local broadcast channels and broadcast networks. I'm from the generation that believed the license for a local channel was a government required license to use my airways. I had no idea we were licensing conglomerates like News Corp to tax me for the privilege of being able to pay Showtime to watch "Homeland." :nono2:


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:18 PM

They call that "Double Dipping" which an old satellite friend used to say. OTA TV stations do not seem to get enough of the pie to pay the bills as there are too many OTA stations on the air, so they try to get a buck from anywhere they can. Some feel that even OTA TV will cost in years to come. It will be PPV. If you want a certain show, you pay so much an episode of a series. But in my book, that would never fly today, but in the future? You have to pay and also sit through the ads. I was without high speed for a number of years until recently. I was quite surprised to find so many ads on You Tube. Back in 2006/2007, they weren't there. I still feel "locals" on Dish or Direct should be an option and it depends on what market the viewer is in what the cost is. Some stations charge less and other charge more. This would keep the pricing down for people that do not want locals and they would still be available the ones that do. I also feel that the Sports channels should also be a separate package, as they charge plenty too. The Premiums are an option and the other high priced stuff should be also.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:41 AM

Hope nothing else went up for you!

Everything goes up, gas and electric, water ETC.


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