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#26 OFFLINE   mwdxer

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 04:35 PM

Everything goes up, except wages. 20 years ago our money went a lot farther.



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#27 OFFLINE   lparsons21

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:36 PM

Yes, the problem today is that the wages are not increasing anywhere close to what the prices of things are.  And now that I'm retired I pay lots of attention the prices of things as my income is fairly fixed.

 

With these latest prices given, my bill will increase about $15 if I don't change some things.  Of course, I will change some things, maybe even more than I need to in order to get the outlay right.

 

I'll be looking over packages and managing my premiums much more closely I suspect.  I'll also be watching to see what the next 'come back' deals look like with D* and how much they are increasing their rates.

 

The danger for the pay tv industry with me is that if I have to do without channels I would like to have in order to keep the bill down, I may just hit the tipping point that says "what the hell am I paying anything for just this?" and drop pay tv altogether.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:38 PM

Since the beginning (1999 for me), I have bought all of my Dish equipment and installed it myself. I have always done my own work going back to the mid 80s when I installed my big dish in 1985, which I still have. So it has been easy for me to do that. I bought the 211k and the outboard hard drive, so the only thing I ever pay for is the programming. I have only the one HD receiver, no hoppers, etc. I have AT250, Blockbuster, and the super stations for about $90 a month, so the cost will be about $95. Still not inexpensive, but going down to AT200, I would lose channels I watch. Saving $10 a month, it is not worth it to me. I am nearly 65, but I continue to work, owning my business for years. Trying to survive off SS is not to my liking, so as long as my health holds up, I will be working. But as we age, we get more tired by the end of the day. I am in good health, but trying to keep up with all of the price increases everywhere is not fun. Even paying the $95 a month is worth it to me as I get a lot of great channels with Dish. Charter Cable which I do get internet from does not hold a candle to Dish and neither does Direct. I have been a good customer to Dish for years and I do not plan to drop them. Out in the country where I live, we have few choices.I am happy with Dish. By the way, for the channels Charter cable offers, I would pay more and get less. Direct no longer carries the Super stations and many in the Blockbuster pack, so Dish is where I stay. (Even though I do not like price increases)



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:35 AM

Looks like this subscriber is going to have to cut down.  I've been a customer since the Dishplayer 7100 came out.  I went HD several years ago and then upgraded when the Hopper/Joey came out.  I guess I have to decide between nixing Starz, cutting my package or eliminating receivers.  I have a 2H/3J setup - got it before Hoppers could see each other's hard drives.  



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 02:33 PM

The way I save money is just having a single 722K to power my 4 TVs.  It's fine for my wife and I, because if we are in two different rooms, we could be watching our own program and we have access to the DVR programs from all 4 TVs.

 

I have Verizon for phone & Internet and just added locals to reduce my bill further (go figure).  Even with this $5/mo increase, I wouldn't be saving much, if anything, with the FiOS triple play with the comparable HD package, once you add all of the extra receivers that I would need in order to be able to view DVR programs from any TV.  Also, I would lose being able to integrate my OTA antenna into the receiver and watch any of my channels via my iPhone.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 02:52 PM

It's bitter cold outside and my car is covered with ice, so I've been playing some numbers.  Dish may not like what I've come up with.  :(

 

At AEP or Premier with 2 Hoppers w/Dish and Genie+HRxx, with the published increases I've seen, not only does switching save me money in the first year (about $400) including the ETF and paying $200 for the HRxx, it also save a minor amount in the 2nd year.  All calculations done using the discounts I'm getting now with some premiums from Dish and the new/returning customer from DirecTV.

 

With these increases, at the top level base sub of AEP+Multi-sports with Dish and Premier from Direct, the difference between the two has shifted from a little in Dish's favor to a little in Direct's favor after contract discounts are over.  ie; full retail pricing.  I was surprised at that and never thought I'd see the day that would happen.

 

Here's the figures, all numbers after increases kick in:

DirecTV

Premier = $129.99

WH+DVR=$ 15.00  (3 years of HD free essentially)

2nd unit = $   6.00

 

Total : $150.99

 

Dish

AEP = $124.99

DVR = $  12.00

Multi-sport = $11.00

2nd Hopper = $12.00

 

Total : $159.99

 

I realize there are discounts that can be gotten along the way, but that is true for both services.

 

One issue that is bothering me, well actually a couple.  Losing my recordings and losing the Hopper.  No matter what anyone else thinks the Hopper is so much better than the HRxx and Genies that I would really miss them.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 03:53 PM

It's bitter cold outside and my car is covered with ice, so I've been playing some numbers.  Dish may not like what I've come up with.   :(

 

At AEP or Premier with 2 Hoppers w/Dish and Genie+HRxx, with the published increases I've seen, not only does switching save me money in the first year (about $400) including the ETF and paying $200 for the HRxx, it also save a minor amount in the 2nd year.  All calculations done using the discounts I'm getting now with some premiums from Dish and the new/returning customer from DirecTV.

 

With these increases, at the top level base sub of AEP+Multi-sports with Dish and Premier from Direct, the difference between the two has shifted from a little in Dish's favor to a little in Direct's favor after contract discounts are over.  ie; full retail pricing.  I was surprised at that and never thought I'd see the day that would happen.

 

Here's the figures, all numbers after increases kick in:

DirecTV

Premier = $129.99

WH+DVR=$ 15.00  (3 years of HD free essentially)

2nd unit = $   6.00

 

Total : $150.99

 

Dish

AEP = $124.99

DVR = $  12.00

Multi-sport = $11.00

2nd Hopper = $12.00

 

Total : $159.99

 

I realize there are discounts that can be gotten along the way, but that is true for both services.

 

One issue that is bothering me, well actually a couple.  Losing my recordings and losing the Hopper.  No matter what anyone else thinks the Hopper is so much better than the HRxx and Genies that I would really miss them.

maybe you should move down to a lower package huh?



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 03:58 PM

Sure, I could move down to a lower package, but then I would miss shows and events that I like to watch.

 

I look at it like my furnace and air conditioner at the house.  Sure I could set the thermostat differently and bundle up in winter and strip in summer, but I paid lots of money to have a top quality unit installed.  Why not use it?


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 04:03 PM

lpaesons, thanks for the breakdown but remember DirecTV will raise their prices, too.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 04:05 PM

My calculations are based on the unconfirmed DirecTV's price increases coming up.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 07:51 PM

I'm not understanding what your post means. I can show how I save money most anytime, from most any year, to most any other provider with a new customer discount. It has nothing at all to do with this DISH increase you are just confirming that switching does save money at least for a year or two. If no one raised rates this year, you still would save money switching. In fact, if only DISH did not raise rates, and everyone else did, with new customer incentives you would save money switching.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:07 PM

Here's what it means.  Yes, in the 1st year a switch saves money, just generally not as much as the difference will be this time.  But a quickie on the 1st year.  With the ETF of $240, and $199 for a 2nd HDDVR, minus the $200 rebate for the ETF, I still see a cash difference of about $400 in 1st year.

 

So add the $400 savings in first year and $120 in savings the 2nd year and in 2 years I would save $520 or a bit over $21/month.  That is very significant and I've never seen a switch with that much in savings.

 

But in the 2nd and subsequent years, D* comes up cheaper than E* with top level base sub w/all premiums and the equipment I noted which would make equivalency.  In this case, 2nd and subsequent years are about $10/month cheaper with D*.  Never saw that before with my 2 TV setup.

 

And of course, the whole point is that considering the financials and that for what I want to watch, the two services are nearly identical, then switching at the 1 year point makes good financial sense.

 

Frankly the only other 2 considerations are the equipment and the recorded events I haven't watched yet.  I have to put a value on them.  It just shows one possible solution to the rather large increase that Dish is foisting on us this year.  Roughly a 30% increase in fees alone, not counting the subsciption increase.  That's absurdly high.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:26 PM

Certainly not defending their increases! lol

 

Are you taking into the equation the 18 month discount DISH is giving to current Hopper subscribers who are not currently paying the newer fee?



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:37 PM

Yes I did for the initial calculations that I posted.

 

Frankly I wasn't expecting it to be anywhere near as big as it turns out to be.

 


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 09:20 PM

Here's the figures, all numbers after increases kick in:
DirecTV
Premier = $129.99
WH+DVR=$ 15.00 (3 years of HD free essentially)
2nd unit = $ 6.00

Total : $150.99

Dish
AEP = $124.99
DVR = $ 12.00
Multi-sport = $11.00
2nd Hopper = $12.00

Total : $159.99

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With multisport add on that is not a good comparison, might as well add Directv sport pack for $12.99 which will bring price up to $163.98. And I'm a Directv sub.

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:10 PM

Uh, you need to check D*'s packages.  Premier includes the sports pack as part of the package as well as all the premiums.  Lots of people miss that.

 

The numbers are right on.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:28 PM

Either way it's still too much for either providers, as a previous poster said you can do with a lower package if what you said is for your financial interest, But of course it's your choice, like a loan commercial said "It's your money use it when you need it"
For me anyway I'm not feeling the pinch in these increases yet, because I'm paying like a new customer promo price with all these credits they been giving me over the 4 years as a Directv sub, Just like I'm assuming you still have the promo for the package you signed up for. But if I was paying too much I would probably suspend service and try other alternatives for a while (OTA,Roku etc etc). Speaking for myself of course.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 01:00 AM

It's bitter cold outside and my car is covered with ice, so I've been playing some numbers.  Dish may not like what I've come up with.   :(

 

At AEP or Premier with 2 Hoppers w/Dish and Genie+HRxx, with the published increases I've seen, not only does switching save me money in the first year (about $400) including the ETF and paying $200 for the HRxx, it also save a minor amount in the 2nd year.  All calculations done using the discounts I'm getting now with some premiums from Dish and the new/returning customer from DirecTV.

 

With these increases, at the top level base sub of AEP+Multi-sports with Dish and Premier from Direct, the difference between the two has shifted from a little in Dish's favor to a little in Direct's favor after contract discounts are over.  ie; full retail pricing.  I was surprised at that and never thought I'd see the day that would happen.

 

Here's the figures, all numbers after increases kick in:

DirecTV

Premier = $129.99

WH+DVR=$ 15.00  (3 years of HD free essentially)

2nd unit = $   6.00

 

Total : $150.99

 

Dish

AEP = $124.99

DVR = $  12.00

Multi-sport = $11.00

2nd Hopper = $12.00

 

Total : $159.99

 

I realize there are discounts that can be gotten along the way, but that is true for both services.

 

One issue that is bothering me, well actually a couple.  Losing my recordings and losing the Hopper.  No matter what anyone else thinks the Hopper is so much better than the HRxx and Genies that I would really miss them.

 

The thing is I've run Comcast numbers comparable to those discussed above with the new subscriber discounts in San Francisco using one of my kid's address and it comes to $124.88. But after the new subscriber discounts expire, my understanding is that you'd be looking at that number plus at least $40.00. Yeah, you can get internet and phone bundled which may make the total desirable, although with either Dish or Direct combined and other ISP/phone providers you can do better.

 

The reality for all of us is to figure out the minimum we want. If we want access to linear live TV, my guess is that either Direct or Dish, depending on what your channel and equipment preferences are, will come in lower than any other choice once the limited term discounts go away. And IMHO the best approach is to use a 3-year calculation, discounted prices followed by regular prices.

 

Particularly if you can record on a TIVO box at least the big four broadcast nets reliably OTA and are not really into sports, the harder decision is can you wait a year or two for everything that's on cable (including premiums) that isn't immediately available on the network web site to become available through streaming. But if you are into sports, there is no good cord-cutting choice unless you live close to a really great sports bar that will allow you to nurse one beer for three hours.

 

Right now, I'm anticipating an internal struggle when "Orphan Black" returns to BBCA. It means a $15 jump in package cost while the show is on if I want to see it as it runs. My struggle is that a season through Amazon streamed months later costs $14,99 while a live on BBCA season will run about 2½ months (at least $40 for that higher tier package). There may be a few other things I can pick up on the extra 80 or so channels that I would never watch.....

 

Anyway, it really does come down to individual choices and not all are rational.


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:10 AM

Yeah I'm sure we all know that after the 1st year, the price rises significantly.  In my case I can switch in general about every 1.5 years and make out from a financial standpoint.  And I do manage the account closely as I am retired and have time to diddle with it.  In the past it wasn't a big deal to switch because the equipment wasn't really much different and the channels I watch are mostly available with both services.

 

This time it is more difficult.  From a purely financial standpoint, switching makes lots of sense but now there is more difference with the equipment.  The Hopper is a jewel of an HDDVR and I can't imagine taking a step backwards to D*'s Genie which is just an HR design with more tuners.  So there is at least a good chance that I'll piss and moan about the money, talk to CSRs to see what we can come up with and not switch.  

 

And then of course, grumble about it.  :)

 

The things I would lose have a value that is hard to evaluate.  The many movies I have archived on the EHD, the fact that if the Hopper shoots craps I can restore timers and such with the push of a button, and the ability to have literally unlimited archive storage should I need/want it.

 

The Genie has its advantages as does D*'s service, but I'm not certain they will be enough to make me switch this time.

 

IOW, the numbers are just a way to work through frustration with bills that are rising very much faster than my income.  The gov't insists that inflation caused a COLA increase in my retirement of 1.5% this year, yet nothing I buy went up anywhere near that little.  And yeah, I could drop subscription level but that would irritate me as I have the channels I want to have now for a reason.  So since I can still afford it...   :)


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 04:06 PM

I just got my billing email and I didn't get any notice like this - or even a notice at all in my bill.

 

Now that much of football season is over though I did just downgrade the package to 120.   Only limited college basketball to me.   There is nothing on Root Sports NW now anyway. 



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 04:23 PM

I got the email, but it was separate from the billing email.  Just a quick note that rates would be rising and that I would see the new rates as info on my next billing.


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Posted 25 December 2013 - 11:02 AM

So I see at bestbuy.directv.com they are offering a $150 gift card. When I click order now at the top right, it says 9 days left and get a $100 Directv visa card.

 

So who's thinking about switching for 2 years?


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 09:53 AM

Not me.      Not worth the hassle of learning a new system along with teaching my wife how to use it.

Besides, I like the Dish system and have been with them almost from the beginning.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 11:09 AM

Not me.      Not worth the hassle of learning a new system along with teaching my wife how to use it.

Besides, I like the Dish system and have been with them almost from the beginning.

Smart man. I''ve been with Dish since 1999. Too much wortk switching.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 11:50 AM

I have both.  

 

Should I switch my DirecTV account to DISH, and my DISH account to DirecTV ??

 

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