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Windows XP going end of life


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#51 OFFLINE   Cholly

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 12:50 PM

Sigh ... My aged HP laptop can't be upgraded from XP. It is maxed out with 1 gig of ram and a bigger hard drive and use it with a Visioneer scanner that is not  supported by later releases of Windows, so can't use it with my desktop. My small form factor computer with 2 gig of ram was recently upgraded to Windows 7. When I went to start it the other day, it wouldn't power up.

 

I'm about to make the Linux plunge with my laptop, having burned a DVD with Ubuntu 12.04 and will try it out without installing it on the hard drive.


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#52 OFFLINE   Cholly

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 03:02 PM

There may be hope. PCWorld tech notes today quoted the Verge, ZDNet and Microsoft itself that a new release of Windows 8.1 is scheduled for April 8. One of the improvements is the ability for Windows 8.1 to run on a system with ONE GIG of ram. :joy:

http://www.pcworld.c...tml#tk.nl_today


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:03 AM

Thirty days to go before.... the end.... of support.

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:46 AM

Pretty good opinion piece, IMO, on why Microsoft should continue to patch XP.

 

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:58 AM

But how long would they extend support? If they extended it another 5 years, how many would still use XP after that's up? or 10?

 

They can't continue support indefinitely.

 

Now, here is a bit of a controversial opinion. On last weeks Security Now, Steve Gibson said he was't too concerned, and the only reason that security updates are needed are to protect the user from themselves. There is some truth to that. If you use a third party browser, run something like noscript, don't have Java or flash in the browser and don't open attachments etc, while running as a regular user instead of admin, your chances of an issue are fairly low. But most don't have that kind of discipline, especially on a shared system.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:36 AM

Regarding Gibson's comments, that opinion piece author fears that new patches to Windows 7 and 8 might allow XP hackers to find even more XP vulnerabilities to exploit. His feeling is that, as a result, Windows in general will get a reputation as being insecure, despite Microsoft claiming it's only XP you have to worry about. If he's right, it could be a PR nightmare for Microsoft.
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:30 AM

Oh, there is no doubt that many vulnerabilities fixed in Windows 7 affect XP. But a large number, especially with IE require admin rights.

 

Personally, I think how Apple does it is worse. They don't really say when security updates will stop. They just stop.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:36 AM

Oh, there is no doubt that many vulnerabilities fixed in Windows 7 affect XP. But a large number, especially with IE require admin rights.

 

Personally, I think how Apple does it is worse. They don't really say when security updates will stop. They just stop.

Amen to that.

 

Running Windows 8.1 now on a tablet for rthan 4 months and very impressed on the updates to date...and security is a constant focus.


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:38 AM

I think a lot of people that say they hate 8 haven't tried it, or tried it with a simple change. I never see the start screen unless I want to.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 12:55 PM

I think a lot of people that say they hate 8 haven't tried it, or tried it with a simple change. I never see the start screen unless I want to.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against upgrading. I'm just saying if I was a Microsoft shareholder, I'd be concerned for the reasons stated in that opinion piece.


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:26 PM

there is a classic shell that can be downloaded to eight if you dislike that metro look.

 

Cholly, did you check your power supply?  I hear linux mint is suppose to be pretty good.

 

I'm po'd that security essentials won't be supported for xp. Between that, firefox. and password protecting everything, I thought I could use xp a little longer on a older IBM that just keeps chugging along. I think it's too old to invest 7 for it, i may be looking at linux as well.

 

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:13 PM

I'm po'd that security essentials won't be supported for xp. Between that, firefox. and password protecting everything, I thought I could use xp a little longer on a older IBM that just keeps chugging along. I think it's too old to invest 7 for it, i may be looking at linux as well.

 

Shame.

 

Security Essentials support ends July 2015.

 

Mint is good, based on Ubuntu but try a live CD first to make sure all your hardware works. Drivers can be an issue, especially on a laptop.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:30 AM

Regrding power supply on my small form factor computer. Yes, it could be bad. Its tough to check since components are so tightly packed. If it is indeed bad, no replacement is available. the supply is a 250 watt compact supply by Enhance. There are no supplies of that form factor currently available.

 

Re: Linux - yep, I've burned a DVD with Ubuntu and intend to run from the DVD. I'm worried about driver issues on the laptop, and as a last resort, will simply use it without internet access.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:53 AM

cholly- check serversupply.com, I've had good luck with them.

 

dpeters- Microsoft stated they will partially support essentials, if it is already installed [ If you don't have it and want it, get it now]

 

http://windows.micro...nd-support-help

 

Your right about drivers and programs compatability for linux, the only reason more people don't leave MS behind IMOP. :nono2:  I tried an old Ubuntu live cd it was pretty easy to navigate.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:24 PM

I tried Windows 8 preview as a dual boot on my Windows 7 laptop. I wasn't too impressed.

 

However, I bought a Windows 8 HP Pavilion with 8 GB memory and was totally impressed. 8.1 is even better. I have set it to boot to the desktop. I have a couple Tile programs that I run once in a while, most often it's the Kindle Reader and the Weather app.

 

My XP desktop is in the closet for now. Eventually I'll clean everything off it and donate it locally.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:55 PM

My XP desktop is in the closet for now. Eventually I'll clean everything off it and donate it locally.

 

I would recommend using a utility like DBAN to wipe clean the HDD very thoroughly before you donate it.  



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:34 AM

Ok, so here I was so concentrated on XP, I missed that Microsoft is ending support for MAPI at the same time. Looks like I need to get going on migrating my Good server over to EWS.

 

Office 2003 also ends if anyone actually uses that.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:42 AM

I would recommend using a utility like DBAN to wipe clean the HDD very thoroughly before you donate it.  

Thanks for the suggestion. That's exactly what I was going to use and what I meant when I said "clean it off."


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:45 AM

Office 2003 also ends if anyone actually uses that.

I am still using Visio 2003 on my Win 8.1 desktop. Upgrade is just too costly for the limited use I make of the program.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 12:27 PM

I am still using Visio 2003 on my Win 8.1 desktop. Upgrade is just too costly for the limited use I make of the program.

 

I think you're most likely OK. The real issue becomes when your email program uses Word as the editor, or opening malicious office attachments.



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 03:23 AM

Today is the day Windows XP support end. This also means that Internet Explorer 6 and Office 2003 is end-of-life as well.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 05:14 AM

As well as IE 7 and 8 for XP. A more little known end of support today is MAPI, but if you don't know what that is, you're not affected most likely.

 

If anyone still uses XP and can't upgrade to 7, please add a separate administrator account and make the one you use normally a limited user. Then stop using IE wherever possible and use either Chrome or Firefox. Security Essentials will get updates until July 2015, but I'd consider a third party AV.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:30 AM

If anyone still uses XP and can't upgrade to 7, please add a separate administrator account and make the one you use normally a limited user. Then stop using IE wherever possible and use either Chrome or Firefox. Security Essentials will get updates until July 2015, but I'd consider a third party AV.

 

Well said, here's a simple and easy way to disable IE just in case its accidentally used....

 

http://www.techsuppo...et_explorer.htm



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 03:40 PM

Oh, so that is why we got the "end of life" popup on a few remaining work XP machines.
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Posted 08 April 2014 - 04:23 PM

Forgive me for being lazy... but did they say anything about XP Activation going forward?

 

I get that they wouldn't support or fix bugs on the operating system... but for people/companies that have a stable setup and don't need support or upgrades... will they be unable to reinstall XP going forward?  I assume the activation servers will be gone.


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