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#26 ONLINE   Henry

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 11:12 AM

"Despite being known for, and frequently quoted with, his famous phrase "billions and billions...", Carl Sagan never actually said it during the entire single-season run of Cosmos (1980). The actual phrase is "billions UPON billions," and the complete quote which includes this often-misquoted phrase is "A galaxy is composed of gas and dust and stars - billions upon billions of stars.""

 

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 12:28 PM

I won't deny the "soporific" quality, but I think that is a narrow description of what Sagan brought to the show. He had a gentle, puposeful delivery that seemed very comforting, and his boundless enthusiasm was what made listeners stop and investigate whether there was something profound behind the wall of words.

 

After all, this was information that could not be imparted in 140 characters; it was long and droning just in its nature, and anything less would have done it a disservice. Sagan found a way to do this without talking down to us mere mortals. He was pretty terrific at that.

 

Personally, I loved both the exploration and the dispense of knowledge but I also was very comforted by it being delivered by Carl Sagan, who was the perfect host for a series such as this. He felt like a "genius uncle" who you always were delighted by whenever he would visit. I was very sad when he passed.

 

And, IIRC correctly, the phrase "billions and billions" was nothing more than something conceived in a SNL-type parody (but more a tribute than mean-spirited), and Sagan never actually uttered that phrase even once in the entire series.

 

I didn't say I didn't like the show.  I said his voice put me to sleep.  I never referenced anything negative about him.  



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Posted 14 January 2014 - 12:35 PM

I had always attributed the "billions and billions" phrase to Sagan.

If, in fact, it was from an SNL parody, at least it was ~accurate.* Can

anyone dig up that SNL episode/sketch on YouTube?

 

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So we got it screwed up because we used "and" instead of "upon"?  We should be flailed.  I can only hope that it is the last mistake we both make.  

 

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 01:38 PM

I didn't say I didn't like the show.  I said his voice put me to sleep.  I never referenced anything negative about him.  

 

Didn't say you didn't. Go back and read, then read my sig.

 

Henry's source indicates it was a Johnny Carson impression that the parody sprung from.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 12:46 PM

Didn't say you didn't. Go back and read, then read my sig.

 

Henry's source indicates it was a Johnny Carson impression that the parody sprung from.

 

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 03:03 PM

Suit yourself, that sounds fascinating. Be sure to post something meaningless and out of context regarding that, too.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:12 AM

Insert series premiere alert and to set your DVRs.
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 06:55 PM

For all I know it could have been SNL though I couldn't find a clip, but here's Johnny:

 

 

But I do believe the original "Cosmos" episode ran September 28, 1980.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:05 PM

I recall 'back on the day' Sagan being asked about his considerable amount of face time on Cosmos, and he said the answer was quite simple.

 

Despite the generosity of the donors and backers, the series was necessarily quite expensive to produce and it was relatively 'cheap' for him to pose in front of a set piece and go on with the monologue for a while.

 

(I think at the time we were then supposed to call in during the next pledge drive and bump up our donation, LOL)

 

 

 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:34 PM

National Geographic Channel is also showing the entire 13 Episode Original series starting 3/8/2014 at 11am Central time for those wanting to record it.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:32 PM

I recall 'back on the day' Sagan being asked about his considerable amount of face time on Cosmos, and he said the answer was quite simple.

 

Despite the generosity of the donors and backers, the series was necessarily quite expensive to produce and it was relatively 'cheap' for him to pose in front of a set piece and go on with the monologue for a while.

 

(I think at the time we were then supposed to call in during the next pledge drive and bump up our donation, LOL)

 

 

 

:righton:

 

If that is indeed the case, it is only a tribute to how good Carl Sagan was at doing that. The show was absolutely spell-binding, and maybe he's why.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:48 PM

Insert series premiere alert and to set your DVRs.

 

Done ... thanks for the reminder.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:22 PM

I am a little curious.

 

The episode titles for the eps that will be on FOX do not match the ep titles for the shows on Nat Geo on 3-8. Are there two different new Cosmos products out there (not including the 1980 version)?

 

Guess I'll just record it all and sort it out later.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:49 PM

No, it's the same. The first episode is being broadcast on more channels, then will settle onto Fox on Sundays, Nat Geo on Monday.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:37 AM

No, they were not. The 3-8 eps on Nat Geo were actually the 1980 series.

 

There was a prologue by Ann Druyan; it is easy to see how a genius scientist would be attracted to another genius scientist like her, she is a very impressive person. Still kinda hot, too.

 

I had little time, but I watched the first 5 minutes. Just that lucious orchestral music took me all the way back to 1980, and Sagan was everything I remembered, if not more.

 

Sadly, it was not retelecined to HD, but was an old SD copy (on an HD network). I would almost rather buy the DVDs.

 

Word on the street is that Obama will intro the show tonight on FOX.


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 12:29 PM

Not real HD but better than DVD. Wonder if the original series could be restored fir bluray along with the sequel?

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 02:37 PM

No, they were not. The 3-8 eps on Nat Geo were actually the 1980 series.

 

There was a prologue by Ann Druyan; it is easy to see how a genius scientist would be attracted to another genius scientist like her, she is a very impressive person. Still kinda hot, too.

 

I had little time, but I watched the first 5 minutes. Just that lucious orchestral music took me all the way back to 1980, and Sagan was everything I remembered, if not more.

 

Sadly, it was not retelecined to HD, but was an old SD copy (on an HD network). I would almost rather buy the DVDs.

 

Word on the street is that Obama will intro the show tonight on FOX.

 

Thanks for the warning.  I'll make sure to skip the first few minutes.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:07 AM

Of course I liked the whole thing, but I puckered up during the cartoons in the beginning.

I get that they are trying to walk the public gently over the creation story using a picture board type idea.

But I suspect that is going to be a real sticking point the next day.

The cartoons even gave the impressions that.....

Never mind, I am sure this will be overblown in the morning to explain what i am saying here.

 

Damn it. I really wanted this show to work. But it made a bad start and now it is doomed.

John Stewart and Bill Maher can get away the facts on cable.

 

I hope I am wrong about this, but ironically, a show about our evolution may get killed due to our lack of it.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:18 AM

No, they were not. The 3-8 eps on Nat Geo were actually the 1980 series.


Right, but your question excluded the 1980s series. Now, supposedly there is extra content on Nat Geo, will have to see if it's worth anything.

Over all, I really liked it. My main beef, and only because Tyson has called others out on the same thing, is the showing of the asteroid belt and Oort Cloud was very inaccurate. He should have passed at most one asteroid, not dodging them.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:12 AM

Right, but your question excluded the 1980s series. Now, supposedly there is extra content on Nat Geo, will have to see if it's worth anything.

Over all, I really liked it. My main beef, and only because Tyson has called others out on the same thing, is the showing of the asteroid belt and Oort Cloud was very inaccurate. He should have passed at most one asteroid, not dodging them.


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I'm ambivalent. On the one hand, the series can stand alone and be grossly entertaining.  On the other hand I find it falling short of the standard set by Sagan. I found myself continuously comparing the two to the point of mental distraction.

 

Could you expand on your asteroid/Oort Cloud dislike? 


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:24 AM

I'm ambivalent. On the one hand, the series can stand alone and be grossly entertaining.  On the other hand I find it falling short of the standard set by Sagan. I found myself continuously comparing the two to the point of mental distraction.

 

Could you expand on your asteroid/Oort Cloud dislike? 

 

Carl Sagan was incomparable, in my opinion.  Probably not fair to make comparisons, no?  I didn't expect to see anyone of Sagan's caliber on the show.  

 

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:34 AM

I'm ambivalent. On the one hand, the series can stand alone and be grossly entertaining.  On the other hand I find it falling short of the standard set by Sagan. I found myself continuously comparing the two to the point of mental distraction.

 

Could you expand on your asteroid/Oort Cloud dislike? 

 

He's called out other shows and movies for moving through the asteroid belt dodging asteroids. But it's just not like that. The total mass of the entire belt is about 4% of the Moon. For the Oort Cloud, he mentions that the objects are at least as far apart as the Earth is to Saturn, yet his ship is dodging them left and right.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:42 AM

He's called out other shows and movies for moving through the asteroid belt dodging asteroids. But it's just not like that. The total mass of the entire belt is about 4% of the Moon. For the Oort Cloud, he mentions that the objects are at least as far apart as the Earth is to Saturn, yet his ship is dodging them left and right.

 

:grin:   I guess the producers saw fit to take artistic license.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:43 AM

Carl Sagan was incomparable, in my opinion.  Probably not fair to make comparisons, no?  I didn't expect to see anyone of Sagan's caliber on the show.  

 

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So true, Rich. Serves me right for falling for Fox's hype.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:01 AM

Tyson really is the best one for the job.






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