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#81 OFFLINE   mrro82

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 08:32 PM

Now being at the end of the series, I'll say that I still find the older one more satisfying for several reasons. I think the reliance on animation in the new one was a distraction, not an asset, and the other thing that struck me was a sort of defiant attitude that the original lacked. In Dr. Sagan's day it was "look at the wonderful future that science will bring us, and how we got there" and the new one was more "seriously, you pinheads still don't believe in science?"

Whether or not you feel that attitude was necessary is probably the subject for a different forum, so I simply put it out there that there was less childlike wonder and more educated finger-wagging in the new one.


For some of the material covered I would say the same thing about the above in quotation marks. Climate change for one. Anyone with 5 functioning brain cells knows it's happening yet it's still being denied.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 11:46 PM

Climate change for one. Anyone with 5 functioning brain cells knows it's happening yet it's still being denied.
 

No arguing with that, but then anyone with six or more...


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:15 AM

And that's why that particular example (and a few others) should be left alone on the forum :)



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 09:15 AM

Not convincing as in not believable? If someone doesn't agree with what Tysons said, they wouldn't believe Cox. Then of course there would be those that wouldn't watch because he's British. Kind of like Dreamworks wanted an American accent for Wallace in Wallace and Gromit.

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Almost. More like "I'm not convinced of your conviction". I have no reason to think he'd lie to me --- I mean, it's not a political show. To me he comes across as one who doesn't believe in what he's saying.

 

I wonder if the universe works differently in England?


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 09:33 AM

Almost. More like "I'm not convinced of your conviction". I have no reason to think he'd lie to me --- I mean, it's not a political show. To me he comes across as one who doesn't believe in what he's saying.
 
I wonder if the universe works differently in England?


Yes. Also in California. :)
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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:22 AM

Yes. Also in California. :)

 

Ah-hahh!! Just as I suspected. :righton:


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:15 AM

Speaking from the state of California, yes the laws of physics work differently here. For example, you get on the freeway to go slower and get off it to speed up. 


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 06:25 AM

Anyone with 5 functioning brain cells knows it's happening yet it's still being denied.


The trouble is the why. It seems some people use all five of their brain cells to blame everything on mankind and push for political changes to prevent warming. It seems the whole argument boils down to "love/hate" just like anything else that goes political.

There are things that the planet could do better ... but I prefer to do them because I do not want to live in a trash heap - not because some unproven scientific THEORY that the opposite choice will kill everyone on the planet long after the planet has killed me. :)
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Posted 12 June 2014 - 08:24 AM

 global warming 

 global cooling 

 climate change 

weather


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 10:12 AM

Just remember that weather and climate are not the same thing :)



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 10:43 AM

Get a room, guys ... or better yet, start a weather thread.


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 10:47 AM

Got off the fence last Sunday. My fault for not keeping up on the issue.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 03:26 PM

Are they renewing the show?  I really liked it.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 06:00 PM

It was a mini series, like the original. It's done.

 

I've never actually known Tyson and his background is as controversial as it is.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:53 PM

I'd often said that Neil De Grasse Tyson was a modern-day Carl Sagan.  When the Cosmos reboot was announced and they said HE was going to do it, I was rejoicing.  This series turned out just about as good as I could have expected.  I watched the original in the weeks before the reboot started.  My wife made the comment that Sagan's verbal cadence could put her to sleep even though the subject matter was fascinating.  I have to say, I saw her point - and that was something since I'd described Sagan as FAR more engaging and exciting that the previous lab-coat droners that usually did science shows.  With the job Tyson did on this series - color me very satisfied.  Despite it being on subjects I'd already known about, I still learned a lot!


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 12:07 PM



Are they renewing the show?  I really liked it.

 

Renewal?


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 12:38 PM

Are they renewing the show?  I really liked it.


They will be exploring the Fringe Universe. :)

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 03:40 PM

I'd often said that Neil De Grasse Tyson was a modern-day Carl Sagan.  When the Cosmos reboot was announced and they said HE was going to do it, I was rejoicing.  This series turned out just about as good as I could have expected.  I watched the original in the weeks before the reboot started.  My wife made the comment that Sagan's verbal cadence could put her to sleep even though the subject matter was fascinating.  I have to say, I saw her point - and that was something since I'd described Sagan as FAR more engaging and exciting that the previous lab-coat droners that usually did science shows.  With the job Tyson did on this series - color me very satisfied.  Despite it being on subjects I'd already known about, I still learned a lot!

 

In terms of non astronomical science shows, you can't get much better than Julius Sumner Miller, and of course Mr. Wizard though I don't think Mr. Wizard had a Doctorate in the sciences.






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