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#51 OFFLINE   jimmie57

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:15 PM

The pole sitter or the people that qualify up front do not always win. Lots of things happen in a race.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:47 PM

Which makes qualifying even less important (other than those at the bottom who need to make the race).

When NASCAR announced the change in qualifying everyone called it "exciting". It was less than exciting to me.
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Posted 03 March 2014 - 07:56 AM

The changes in the cars, ride height and spoiler height seems to have worked. There was lots of passing during the racing in the 2 races we have seen so far.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:03 PM

How about Junior? 3 wins this year!

 

Tony Stewart is in a heap of trouble. He clearly swerved into another sprint car driver and killed him.

That is what you get for getting out of your car? Unbelievable. Looked like manslaughter to me.



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:18 PM

How about Junior? 3 wins this year!

 

Tony Stewart is in a heap of trouble. He clearly swerved into another sprint car driver and killed him.

That is what you get for getting out of your car? Unbelievable. Looked like manslaughter to me.

I watched it several times on video and I do not believe Tony was at fault. The driver was in a dim light place, dressed in black and ran out on the track to confront Tony. The car in front of Tony saw the man and swerved to miss him but Tony was too close to swerve far enough. Those right rear tires stick out from the cars a long way in the sprint cars.

 

I was in a wreck once where the car beside me ( blocking my view of a parking lot next to the road ) slammed on brakes because a car was coming out. I could not see them until their car contacted the side of my Ranger PU and turned me over.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:19 PM

I am liking the changes they have made to the cars and rules this year.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 11:07 PM

NASCAR has fixed most of the problems I had earlier in the year (qualifying now allows engine coolers so they can get the slow cars off the track and out of the way of fast cars - avoiding exciting crashes).

I like AJ so getting him a chase berth for winning one race isn't a bad thing. (There will be a few also rans in the chase.)

Tony is still chase eligible (he attempted to qualify) - assuming he wins a race since he can't get in on points alone. Not his biggest problem right now. But the chase problem facing NASCAR is people are still confused about the rules.

As far as the video I have seen of the incident (via ESPN and then YouTube) ... knowing that Ward would be hit at some point I thought he was hit by the 45 car as he was standing close to the moving cars. That video did not show Stewart's car for long enough to support the claims that Stewart swerved or gassed the vehicle or did anything out of the ordinary. Hopefully another angle from a closer fan or Stewart's on board camera (if he had one) will help clear up the confusion.

Sprint car racing is dangerous ... professional drivers should seek ways of getting out of sprint cars. When they make the big time of trucks, grand national or cup they should put their dangerous past behind them. I do not believe that Stewart did anything wrong but participate at a level he has outgrown. This is not the kind of attention Stewart, Stewart-Haas or anyone connected to the organization needs. Stewart needs to grow up and be a responsible driver. Not a barnstormer.
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 06:52 AM

It was very good to see AJ win yesterday. That was quite a race for sure.

 

I keep track of what Danica is doing and she started the weekend very badly with the engine change and then the crash from the blown left front tire in practice.

However, Sunday she started last in the race and in 10 laps she was up to 29th. This was from driving, no wrecks, etc. helped her get there.

At one point she was up to 12th. I am sure pit stop strategy had something to do with that.

She did a very good job to avoid crashing into those in front of her in that terrible wreck that red flagged the race.

Finished the day in 21st. I would have thought she had a good day with a 30th place finish from the way the weekend started for her.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:14 PM

kikkenit: I don't think you've seen much dirt-track racing.  There was no "swerving" to hit anyone.  What I saw - and I went through it in slow-motion as best I could - was that Stewart tried to avoid the kid - turning left and that means the rear of the car is at risk to "get loose" and go to the right.  The 45 car barely missed the kid and then he walked further down the track into the lane where the cars were driving.  If you see how Stewart's car is positioned after the jiggling fottage that happens right as the collision occurs, you can see his car is pointed to the left - clearly trying to avoid the kid in a black firesuit on a dimly lit track at night.

 

It pains me to say this because of the tragic results, but this 20 year old kid wouldn't be the first kid who thought he was invincible and that it "couldn't happen to me".



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Posted 15 August 2014 - 10:20 PM

Hmmm ... I wonder if NASCAR will ask broadcasters to stop showing clips of people getting out of their cars after on track incidents and putting themselves in harm's way? I doubt if I'll hear the NASCAR radio commercial using Tony Stewart's helmet throw ("this is a helmet") but some of the clips shown this week of NASCAR drivers were pretty bad. Not just throwing things and gesturing from a distance - but running out into traffic.

There are several incidents over the past couple of years that would have been "against the rules" if the "stay in your car" rule had been more than a pre-race suggestion. Incidents guaranteed to make the highlight reel.

I find it ironic that the events that NASCAR uses the most to promote racing are the ones that they write rules to prevent. From "the fight" during the first live race (which is still used for promotion) to tweeting from a cellphone carried in the car ... NASCAR likes the "boys have at it" and media (including social media) attention but then moves to tone it down. Too much of a good thing?

I believe the new rule is too strict ... although the concept of another car hitting a stopped car is not impossible (Montoya losing control and hitting the jet dryer is a good example of how cautions are not 100% safe times). Telling a driver that they cannot unbuckle and prepare to get out of the car seems "too far". And the "crew members cannot approach the racing surface or apron" ... I trust that NASCAR will enforce that with common sense but theoretically anyone who moves toward the track is approaching the apron. And approaching moving vehicles is a major part of something that happens under nearly every caution flag: pit stops. There are parts of the rule that will never be enforced 100% ... and instead of writing a rule NASCAR ignores they should write rules to follow.
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Posted 16 August 2014 - 07:42 AM

Wow ! Almost the whole field ran over 200 mph in qualifying. Holey Moley that is fast !

Even the Trucks are running 185 or more.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 09:29 AM

Even the Trucks are running 185 or more.


When they are running ... the second round of qualifying only used the last 60 seconds of the 10 minute session and the final round of qualifying saw only ONE truck post a qualifying time - winning the pole at 173.152 mph. The gamesmanship of deciding when to attempt a lap prevented 11 trucks from posting a time in the final session!

NASCAR is working on decreasing speeds next season ... gotta balance the excitement with having safe races. NASCAR has not killed anyone at a race in a while and needs to keep extending that "number of races without a fatality".
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Posted 16 August 2014 - 10:54 AM

When they are running ... the second round of qualifying only used the last 60 seconds of the 10 minute session and the final round of qualifying saw only ONE truck post a qualifying time - winning the pole at 173.152 mph. The gamesmanship of deciding when to attempt a lap prevented 11 trucks from posting a time in the final session!

NASCAR is working on decreasing speeds next season ... gotta balance the excitement with having safe races. NASCAR has not killed anyone at a race in a while and needs to keep extending that "number of races without a fatality".

I saw that qualifying.

They outsmarted themselves for sure. I don't think they will do that again and I'll bet that the Cup drivers saw that also.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:50 PM

I was hoping that NASCAR would defer their decision whether to excuse Tony's absence from the Sprint Cup until it mattered ... but at the end of the day it is better that the decision is made before the win (if there is one) and before it potentially becomes a personal decision between Tony and whomever gets the 16th position on points.

It opens up the precedent that excused "reasons for not racing" can go beyond physical issues. Tony is the first driver to ask for a waiver and the only one to receive one - and he received it at a time when the waiver is moot. He MUST win.

The "must participate" rule seems unneeded anyways. It was written to avoid having a driver win one race and sit out the rest of the season until Chicago ... but the "must be in the top 30 in points" should guarantee enough participation to keep part-time drivers active. Tony is 26th after missing three races. Technically he could of run one scored qualifying lap then gone home each race and met the minimum. Teams and sponsors also keep the drivers in the car ... regardless of how bad the season is going, drivers are obligated to drive and represent their sponsors.

Currently 33 of the top 36 drivers have started all 24 races, with the exception of 20th place (and race winner) Denny Hamlin (who qualified his car for the one race he missed), 35th place Josh Wise (who attempted to qualify at Phoenix) and 26th place Tony Stewart. "Top 30 in points" should be enough to encourage participation ... and if it isn't perhaps they should go for top 25 in points (plus a win).

The concept (or fear) that Tony might actually win Atlanta or Richmond and bump a winless points driver out of the 16th position led one reporter to question whether the chase should be 17 drivers if Tony is allowed to participate. The groan of other reporters in the room answered the question as well as Helton could. No driver has ever won a cup level championship unless they were in 10th place or above with 10 races to go. Right now there are 12 winners (ranked 1 through 24 in points) plus 5th, 9th, 10th and 11th in points. I'll be surprised if all of the top 10 drivers in points do not end up being in the chase.

The reality is that if a driver and team has not figured out how to win so far this year or at least finish well enough to be in the top points position they probably will not do much better in the elimination rounds of the chase. It would take another miracle finish for Tony or any other driver to enter the chase in the last four positions and somehow become better than the rest of the field for the last ten races. Possible ... but unlikely.

Glad to see Tony back ... and that story will dominate this weekend and perhaps next if he wins Richmond. But the best thing I see about Tony being back is now people will stop asking when he will return.
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 06:27 PM

"Tony Stewart will not face criminal charges in the death of sprint-car driver Kevin Ward Jr. as a grand jury decided that there was not enough evidence to support any negligence by the three-time Cup champion."

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Tony Stewart:
"This has been the toughest and most emotional experience of my life, and it will stay with me forever," Stewart said in the statement. "I’m very grateful for all the support I’ve received and continue to receive.
“I respect everything the District Attorney and Sheriff’s Office did to thoroughly investigate this tragic accident. While the process was long and emotionally difficult, it allowed for all the facts of the accident to be identified and known.
“While much of the attention has been on me, it’s important to remember a young man lost his life. Kevin Ward Jr.’s family and friends will always be in my thoughts and prayers.”

The Ward Family:
“Our son got out of his car during caution while the race was suspended,” the statement said. “All the other vehicles were reducing speed and not accelerating except for Stewart who intentionally tried to intimidate Kevin by accelerating and sliding his car towards him causing this tragedy.
“The focus should be on Mr. Stewart and not my son. This matter is not at rest and we will pursue all remedies in fairness to Kevin.”

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“There are no winners in tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers remain with the Kevin Ward Jr. family and Tony Stewart as they all cope with this tragic incident at Canandaigua Motorsports Park. This has been a difficult time for everyone involved and we have respected the local authorities responsible for reviewing this case.”

While criminal charges will not be filed, the Ward family may (and based on the statement above probably will) file a civil suit for damages. In response to a question at today's press conference, the District Attorney revealed that Kevin Ward tested positive for marijuana use at a level high enough to cause impairment.


In other news ... after a sleeper of a race in Richmond (no changes in who made it in to the chase and who was out and no on track incidents or drama) the first two chase races have been won by different drivers. The field is close enough that any of the other drivers could make it in on points if higher drivers have a bad day. It should be interesting this weekend at Dover where the first four "chase" drivers are eliminated.

Then Brad with his five wins and (at this point) at least one winless driver will enter the "Contender Round" tied at 3000 points each - no advantage to having five wins. Twelve drivers advancing tied up at 3000 points.

It is almost like NASCAR is starting a seven race chase with all remaining drivers tied for first - no seeding. They will have three races to mix it up and then the "Eliminator Round" begins with the top eight remaining drivers - all tied at 4000 points entering the eliminator. (The four drivers eliminated at Talladega will be reduced back to the 2000+ points level, battling for fifth place with the rest of the chasers.)

The hype machine is working overtime ... after Richmond's over hyped ho-hum race the machine is still working promising Dover will be exciting. At least with 14 drivers racing for 10 spots there is no easy way to pick who will be out.
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 08:27 PM

James,

  I have to respectfully wholeheartedly disagree with you on this one.

The racing is intense and very good this year.

I love the knock out qualifying and the new chase format. The one thing that I thought from day one after hearing how the chase would work is that a high points winner could possibly win the chase and never win a race, not even in the chase.

 

I do agree with the previous post as "Glad to see Tony back". He is a tough guy and will get in your face for doing something that he has admitted to doing many times but I could never see him running his car at a man out of his car.

 

After hearing the new changes for next year I feel they might be harder on Danica than most any driver out there. I am a Danica fan but I think she has more trouble with a car that is sliding a little bit more than the rest of the drivers that probably had some dirt track experience.

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 04:47 PM

Richmond was bad ... the rest have been better.

I heard on the radio this week that "Dover is the new Richmond" ... which reflects the thought I had in my last post in this thread. Today we are down to 12 Contenders ... which is what we had in previous years. Add in the element that all 12 are tied for first in points and it should be interesting to see who can be the best out of three races.

The official standings list has Jeff Gordon in fifth place (seeded). I have no clue why. If they are looking at the whole season Jeff should be in the top three (four wins tied with Logano). If they are looking only at the Challenger round Jeff should be in the top three (one win in this round). It is irrelevant once next week's race is run, but does anyone know why Nascar put Gordon seeded fifth?

I went to The Sporting News website to see if they had an explainer yet, but their top Nascar headline is Kevin Ward. :(

I wonder if an accident recreation showing what happens to a winged sprint car when it hits a person (using a crash test dummy of appropriate weight as a stand in) would help demonstrate to the Ward family that the car would have been pulled to the right by hitting any substantial object on the track? We are still getting the claims of "turned right and accelerated" despite the grand jury investigation.
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Posted 28 September 2014 - 07:43 PM

Richmond was bad ... the rest have been better.

I heard on the radio this week that "Dover is the new Richmond" ... which reflects the thought I had in my last post in this thread. Today we are down to 12 Contenders ... which is what we had in previous years. Add in the element that all 12 are tied for first in points and it should be interesting to see who can be the best out of three races.

The official standings list has Jeff Gordon in fifth place (seeded). I have no clue why. If they are looking at the whole season Jeff should be in the top three (four wins tied with Logano). If they are looking only at the Challenger round Jeff should be in the top three (one win in this round). It is irrelevant once next week's race is run, but does anyone know why Nascar put Gordon seeded fifth?

I went to The Sporting News website to see if they had an explainer yet, but their top Nascar headline is Kevin Ward. :(

I wonder if an accident recreation showing what happens to a winged sprint car when it hits a person (using a crash test dummy of appropriate weight as a stand in) would help demonstrate to the Ward family that the car would have been pulled to the right by hitting any substantial object on the track? We are still getting the claims of "turned right and accelerated" despite the grand jury investigation.

I think the seeding is just a consensus of who all the analysts, etc. feel like will win the last race.

 

I would think that a driver that wins one of the races in a segment would get at least one point to carry over to the next segment. Maybe they will do that next year.


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 06:03 AM

James,

  you might like this site. It has all kinds of stuff that other sites do not have. This is a list of the top 25 drivers and where they would be on the old points system and Jeff is number 1 on it.

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 06:08 PM

First of all ... while watching Kansas I was wondering if they were at Talledega - wrecks galore. A lot of chase drivers left in positions where Charlotte is do or die before next week's lottery.

I would like to thank Baylor for scoring ... perhaps now ABC can show the Charlotte race (not present on any alternate channel).

I heard on the radio that ESPN brought down all the big guns from Bristol CT to Charlotte and they were taking turns riding around the track in Richard Petty Driving Experience cars ... a strange idea for a network that will be airing its last NASCAR race in five weeks.

Considering they think it is OK to join Charlotte in progress on lap 27 I suppose I should be happy that ESPN will not be carrying races for the foreseeable future.
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 10:07 PM

The Charlotte race was a good one. Lots of passing. My driver, Danica, was doing really well until Joey ran into her and she hit the wall. She went down hill after that. When he hit her she was in 11th place.

 

Even more action on and off the track after the race was over. Tempers were flaring for sure. There will be fines for that which occurred after the race had ended.


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 10:48 PM

I cheered when I saw what Tony did. :D

And when Brad came out to give "his side" of the story I thought "dude, we have video tape".

Tuesday will be a day to watch indeed. I expect big $$$ coming from Brad. It looks like Denny got talked down from doing anything worse than a brake check before Brad went wild on everyone. Matt may get to make a donation for chasing down Brad and the scuffle that followed (hey ESPN, you actually were in the right place!). It was funny to watch Brad back up after hitting Tony. (No, you didn't push Matt into Tony ... you hit Tony in your uncontrolled rage against the world and Tony returned the hit.) I hope Tony does not get hit hard by NASCAR ... perhaps probation?

A points hit is possible ... but I'm not sure NASCAR will go that far unless there is additional video proof of all the claims against Brad (doing burnouts in the garage and knocking another team's transmission through another team's pit stall). If the fullness of Brad's rage can be proven I will be disappointed if it is only a $$$ penalty.
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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:34 PM

I've been doing some math -
In order for Brad Keselowski to advance, he would need to either win (the easy math) or finish high enough to get in on points.

Getting in on points is difficult (even without a penalty). The most Brad can score without a win is 44 points (finish 2nd leading the most laps). Kyle has that beat by starting the race, four other drivers can beat that finish by finishing 34th or worse. Kasey Kahne is the man to beat for Brad ... If Brad finishes 2nd leading the most laps Kasey can still beat Brad by finishing 18th.

If Matt, Jimmie or Jr win the race Brad will need to beat Denny Hamlin ... who only needs a 34th to bead Brad's best non winning effort. Any points penalty would just make it more of a win or go home race.

As for the other Contenders: Kyle needs a 24th, Ryan needs a 19th, Carl needs an 18th, Jeff needs a 16th and Denny needs a 15th regardless of what the bottom five do. Unless one of them has a bad day the bottom five are racing for one position. A win being the best chance of getting that position - which is exactly what NASCAR promised. :)
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#74 OFFLINE   jimmie57

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 08:14 PM

I would not be surprised if Brad was removed from the Chase for this year after all the stuff he did after the race was over.


Edited by jimmie57, 12 October 2014 - 08:49 PM.

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 10:52 PM

I would not be surprised if Brad was removed from the Chase for this year after all the stuff he did after the race was over.

Keselowski (only his friends refer to him as "Brad," and I'm definitely not an FoB) very obviously and, more importantly, intentionally put others' lives in jeopardy. He should definitely be made to sit out the rest of the season, if not longer, as the intensity of the new format appears to be somewhat more than that with which he is able to cope given his current level of (im)maturity.


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