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#1 OFFLINE   Mark Holtz

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:28 AM

After several years of use, my mother's Panasonic DMP-BD60 player stopped playing discs. So, I gave her mine, and now I'm searching for a replacement. Here is what I'm looking at:
  • Excellent playback of BluRays
  • Good upscaling of DVDs
  • WiFi would be nice, but I have LAN capability as well
  • Amazon Prime video playback would be nice
  • 3D not needed
Since I just started looking, I have no clue whats out there.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 11:24 AM

I have been buying Samsung BD players for the last few years.  My present BD players are the older Sammy E6500s, which still work very well and my newest, the Sammy F7500, which is also a 4K upscaler (just in case 4K takes off and I buy a 4K set) has everything you want.  Not cheap, like the Sony BD5100, which I discarded after getting thoroughly sick of it, but a middle priced model that gives out a superb picture and upscales regular DVDs and even Netflix streaming content very well.  I can't say enough good things about the Sammys and I've tried just about every brand.

 

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 11:33 AM

Go to the Crutchfield website. I'm not endorsing them to get you to make a purchase but they have a excellent selection of brand name products along with the best product descriptions and photos.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:49 PM

So, today, I thought I would check out Sam's Club and Costco to see what they have:
CostcoSam's ClubI'm inclined to go with Costco only because the annual rebate check is coming.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:36 AM

If you were happy with your Panasonic, I would stick with it.  I recently bought the 230 as a replacement for my old 1st Gen Sony.....works absolutely great.  It has a decent review.  



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:44 AM

If you were happy with your Panasonic, I would stick with it.  I recently bought the 230 as a replacement for my old 1st Gen Sony.....works absolutely great.  It has a decent review.  

 

I was happy with my Panny BD65 (I think that was the model #) until I tried a Sammy BD player.  Yeah, they cost a bit more, but you get what you pay for when it comes to BD players.  

 

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 04:33 AM

First off, I'm targeting end of February for the purchase of the new BluRay player. That's when the rebate check comes from Costco. So far, some notes:
  • The LG BP135 has already been eliminated due to no network connectivity.
  • What has surprised me is that all of the outputs save for digital audio and HDMI have been eliminted. Not even audio left-right output.
  • Nice to know that wireless Internet connectivity is now standard, and maybe you got a LAN port.
So far the Samsung BD-FM59C is very tempting.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 12:38 PM

First off, I'm targeting end of February for the purchase of the new BluRay player. That's when the rebate check comes from Costco. So far, some notes:

  • The LG BP135 has already been eliminated due to no network connectivity.
  • What has surprised me is that all of the outputs save for digital audio and HDMI have been eliminted. Not even audio left-right output.
  • Nice to know that wireless Internet connectivity is now standard, and maybe you got a LAN port.
So far the Samsung BD-FM59C is very tempting.

 

 

That's probably an F5900 with an HDMI cable.  Not a bad choice.  Samsung usually has a lot more outputs than the other BD makers.  You'll also find the Sonys have limited outputs.  

 

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 12:40 PM

I have recently purchased two Panasonic DMP-BDT500 players and have been awestruck at the improvement in picture and audio quality over my heretofore "top line" Sony ES players. Having the dual HDMI out has empowered me to leverage full HD audio codecs along with 3D image on my Yamaha RXV-3800 AVR. I run the second one with a single HDMI out into my Yamaha YSP-5100 and get the same albeit not true 7.1 given how the sound projector works.

 

These list at 349 but Amazon has had them at 159. 3D with full audio on AVRS predating HDMI 1.4, straight through 3D with full audio on AVRS so equipped. Incredible contrast detail on standard BluRay. I have not attempted to play a normal DVD to see its upscaling quality but I know it would run circles around the Sony BDP-S100ES or Sony BDP-S480 I replaced with them.

 

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 02:32 PM

I have recently purchased two Panasonic DMP-BDT500 players and have been awestruck at the improvement in picture and audio quality over my heretofore "top line" Sony ES players. Having the dual HDMI out has empowered me to leverage full HD audio codecs along with 3D image on my Yamaha RXV-3800 AVR. I run the second one with a single HDMI out into my Yamaha YSP-5100 and get the same albeit not true 7.1 given how the sound projector works.

 

These list at 349 but Amazon has had them at 159. 3D with full audio on AVRS predating HDMI 1.4, straight through 3D with full audio on AVRS so equipped. Incredible contrast detail on standard BluRay. I have not attempted to play a normal DVD to see its upscaling quality but I know it would run circles around the Sony BDP-S100ES or Sony BDP-S480 I replaced with them.

 

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Just from past experience with Panny BD players, I'd go with the Sammys.  I trust you haven't tried one?  Perhaps Panasonic is making better BD sets than they used to, but my Sammys simply blew away the Pannys that I had.  And the Sonys. 

 

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 05:24 PM

Never tried the Sammy's. Early models were unreliable and I sort of lost interest in the company with their down specing caps in their HDTVs back in the day. Glad to hear customer satisfaction here.

 

Besides in my case I was looking to find a dual HDMI out so as to not have to upgrade from a HDMI 1.3a spec AVR and that was slim pickings. The buzz on that model Panny was high praise compared to and quoted as being as good as or better than some cases than the Oppos. (with respect to PQ and audio quality)

 

Dual HDMI out player models are really limited and I have a nice RX-Z11 in my main room with a Sony TV that does not do 3D but when or if I should upgrade that, having the Panny to move off the YSP could fill the bill. . .

 

For me the Panny was a reach for an unknown brand but at 160 bills,,, That first one was a dramatic enough upgrade (hard for me to envision better from what I've seen), so I forked over for a second. When the big room updates (again if) perhaps that will get an Oppo, if not hopefully the Panny will still be in operational state.

 

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 08:34 PM

If someone needs dual HDMI outputs, I believe you just have to go up to the Panasonic 330 model, from the 230.....since I have a fully 3D capable AVR I had no need for dual HDMI outputs.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:20 PM

Never tried the Sammy's. Early models were unreliable and I sort of lost interest in the company with their down specing caps in their HDTVs back in the day. Glad to hear customer satisfaction here.

 

Besides in my case I was looking to find a dual HDMI out so as to not have to upgrade from a HDMI 1.3a spec AVR and that was slim pickings. The buzz on that model Panny was high praise compared to and quoted as being as good as or better than some cases than the Oppos. (with respect to PQ and audio quality)

 

Dual HDMI out player models are really limited and I have a nice RX-Z11 in my main room with a Sony TV that does not do 3D but when or if I should upgrade that, having the Panny to move off the YSP could fill the bill. . .

 

For me the Panny was a reach for an unknown brand but at 160 bills,,, That first one was a dramatic enough upgrade (hard for me to envision better from what I've seen), so I forked over for a second. When the big room updates (again if) perhaps that will get an Oppo, if not hopefully the Panny will still be in operational state.

 

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I'm not a Sammy fan, please don't get that idea.  That capacitor thing really bothered me too.  But, I gotta say again, I don't think you can beat the Sammys for what you get out of them.  I do have two pass thru HDMI outlets on each of my E6500s and one extra HDMI outlet on the F7500 that I haven't figured out yet.  At the time I first tried a Sammy BD player, I was raving about my BD65 Panny and the Sammys just blew them away.  I'm not a big fan of Panny stuff either, but I have 8 Panny plasmas because I thought the PQ merited the expense.  

 

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:24 PM

Well I'll have to take a look there you make a convincing case!

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I'm not a Sammy fan, please don't get that idea.  That capacitor thing really bothered me too.  But, I gotta say again, I don't think you can beat the Sammys for what you get out of them.  I do have two pass thru HDMI outlets on each of my E6500s and one extra HDMI outlet on the F7500 that I haven't figured out yet.  At the time I first tried a Sammy BD player, I was raving about my BD65 Panny and the Sammys just blew them away.  I'm not a big fan of Panny stuff either, but I have 8 Panny plasmas because I thought the PQ merited the expense.  

 

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 08:51 AM

So, I decided not to wait, and picked up the Samsung BD-FM59C from Costco for $90+tax. What tilted me towards that player was the applications and the fact that it had a LAN port.

First impressions:
  • Dang, that thing is SMALL. Ok, smaller than previous DVD players and the BluRay player that I previously had.
  • I guess, when you only include an optical out, HDMI out, LAN, and power cable, you can make it smaller.[/i]
  • The obvious expectation is that you are going to hook this unit up to your A/V receiver, and then from there, to your television. Somehow, I don't think I'm going to keep my television on to listen to Pandora.
  • The sad fact of these modern devices is that you take it out of the box, you hook it up, and the first thing you do is run the firmware update.
  • Why can't all of the apps provide easy account setup like Amazon Prime? You go to a web page, you punch in the code that is displayed on the television, and you are set up. Punching in your password using the on-screen keyboard sucks, and I'm scrounging up a real keyboard to make my setup life easier.
  • I want to see how long it takes to start up Martin Scorsese's Casino. That disc is infamous for taking forever to start up on my old player.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:13 AM

  • Why can't all of the apps provide easy account setup like Amazon Prime? You go to a web page, you punch in the code that is displayed on the television, and you are set up. Punching in your password using the on-screen keyboard sucks, and I'm scrounging up a real keyboard to make my setup life easier.

 

It may not be the best solution but I think Samsung has a remote app (for iOS) that allows you to use your mobile devices keyboard for inputting rather then having to use the remote. I think for Android you would have to use a third party app as I do not think Samsung has an official one.

 

Edit: My mistake, actually Samsung does have official apps for Android devices

 

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:08 AM

Well I'll have to take a look there you make a convincing case!

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I haven't tried a Panny for probably three years.  I have no idea whether they've improved their streaming function.  That was the biggest difference I saw between the two.  I watched the first new "Kirk" Star Trek movie on my Panny BD and just couldn't watch it. Figured I'd wait for the BD.  Then, I tried a Sammy I had purchased that was part of a home entertainment system and the same movie was splendid.  That was the end of the Panny.  For streaming content, you just can't beat a Sammy BD player, I think.  The Rokus and other STBs don't upscale as well (if at all) as the Sammys.  Of that, I have no doubt.  Everything that comes out of the Sammys is in 1080p.  

 

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:12 AM

So, I decided not to wait, and picked up the Samsung BD-FM59C from Costco for $90+tax. What tilted me towards that player was the applications and the fact that it had a LAN port.

First impressions:

  • Dang, that thing is SMALL. Ok, smaller than previous DVD players and the BluRay player that I previously had.
  • I guess, when you only include an optical out, HDMI out, LAN, and power cable, you can make it smaller.[/i]
  • The obvious expectation is that you are going to hook this unit up to your A/V receiver, and then from there, to your television. Somehow, I don't think I'm going to keep my television on to listen to Pandora.
  • The sad fact of these modern devices is that you take it out of the box, you hook it up, and the first thing you do is run the firmware update.
  • Why can't all of the apps provide easy account setup like Amazon Prime? You go to a web page, you punch in the code that is displayed on the television, and you are set up. Punching in your password using the on-screen keyboard sucks, and I'm scrounging up a real keyboard to make my setup life easier.
  • I want to see how long it takes to start up Martin Scorsese's Casino. That disc is infamous for taking forever to start up on my old player.
More when I get home from work this morning.

 

 

That's the shortcoming you're gonna run into with a Sammy.  They don't load BDs or Netflix as fast as a Panny.  Of course, I'll trade that slowness for the better PQ every time.  

 

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:40 AM

Till I get an available Internet pipe with HD speed capability (stuck at 5mb out here on the farm) the Internet streaming services are the last things I consider. And when I do, I've PS3s, Smart TVs, and the way DirectTV is going I expect the Genie's will have these as well.

For me BluRay PQ and even more importantly sonic characteristics are the factors in such a device. These areas on the Pannys I have were a massive step above the equipment I had prior. In particular the low light contrast detail and the near analog quality to the sound. Much of my equipment is Yamaha "Natural Sound" components and even the Sony ES didn't quite measure up to that.

Streaming highly compressed DD 5.1 is no substitute for a direct multi channel PCM (what the HD audio codecs render at the AVR's DAC outputs (oh but for the failure of DSD to capture the market)).

The Sammys seem made for high sell through price points and I suspect the audio quality will be on par with the Sony standard grade BR players. Good but lacking the richness units built with huger grade IC components will have. (but based on your recommends, I will give one a try and hope to be surprised.

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I haven't tried a Panny for probably three years. I have no idea whether they've improved their streaming function. That was the biggest difference I saw between the two. I watched the first new "Kirk" Star Trek movie on my Panny BD and just couldn't watch it. Figured I'd wait for the BD. Then, I tried a Sammy I had purchased that was part of a home entertainment system and the same movie was splendid. That was the end of the Panny. For streaming content, you just can't beat a Sammy BD player, I think. The Rokus and other STBs don't upscale as well (if at all) as the Sammys. Of that, I have no doubt. Everything that comes out of the Sammys is in 1080p.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 12:26 PM

Till I get an available Internet pipe with HD speed capability (stuck at 5mb out here on the farm) the Internet streaming services are the last things I consider. And when I do, I've PS3s, Smart TVs, and the way DirectTV is going I expect the Genie's will have these as well.

For me BluRay PQ and even more importantly sonic characteristics are the factors in such a device. These areas on the Pannys I have were a massive step above the equipment I had prior. In particular the low light contrast detail and the near analog quality to the sound. Much of my equipment is Yamaha "Natural Sound" components and even the Sony ES didn't quite measure up to that.

Streaming highly compressed DD 5.1 is no substitute for a direct multi channel PCM (what the HD audio codecs render at the AVR's DAC outputs (oh but for the failure of DSD to capture the market)).

The Sammys seem made for high sell through price points and I suspect the audio quality will be on par with the Sony standard grade BR players. Good but lacking the richness units built with huger grade IC components will have. (but based on your recommends, I will give one a try and hope to be surprised.

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Huh.  Kinda expected you to have a better ISP for streaming.  Without streaming, the Pannys aren't that much different than the Sammys, but the sound might surprise you.  I dunno, I'm all about PQ and the Pannys do play BDs very well.

 

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