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#1 OFFLINE   TorinTPG

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:27 PM

My Onkyo SR606 is crapping out on me and I'm looking to replace it. Can anyone recommend a nice replacement in the $500 ballpark? 



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#2 OFFLINE   MysteryMan

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:38 PM

Sony STR-DN1040


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:40 PM

I replaced my Onkyo with a Denon a few years ago, and really like it. Mine of course is an older model now, current model would be around the X1000.



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:47 PM

I had Sony way back when and they ran very hot and burned up soon.

Then I went to Onkyo and that was a big improvement.

When the Onkyo died I switched to Yamaha. We have 5 of them in the family. We are happy campers.

Link to several Yamahas. http://www.bestbuy.c...ry=abcat0202003

 

You will get lots of recommendations for Denon and I do not have a minute of experience with them.

 

After you read what people like, go to the local store and see and hear them for yourself.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:02 PM

I had Sony way back when and they ran very hot and burned up soon.

Then I went to Onkyo and that was a big improvement.

When the Onkyo died I switched to Yamaha. We have 5 of them in the family. We are happy campers.

Link to several Yamahas. http://www.bestbuy.c...ry=abcat0202003

 

You will get lots of recommendations for Denon and I do not have a minute of experience with them.

 

After you read what people like, go to the local store and see and hear them for yourself.

I've been using Sony AVRs for decades and never had one run hot, burn up, or wear out. Your issue "way back" with your Sony AVR was a isolated one. The STR-DN1040 received excellent reviews from CNET and others. Denon, Onkyo, Sony, and Yamaha all make fine products. My advice to the OP is to go to the Crutchfield website for research. They have a wide variety of Cambridge Audio, Denon, Marantz, NAD, Onkyo, Sony, and Yamaha AVRs along with the most informative product discriptions and photos.   


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:56 PM

I am a Yamaha bigot myself but you will find a *lot* of brand loyalists here. Now is a good time to shop for close outs on last years models however and you may get a step up or two for the same money. I consider most of the brands fairly interchangeable but I have always enjoyed the Yamaha's ability to flow natural sounds across a broad range of price points. There are Onkyo people that swear by them and really feature sets at price points are incredible with them.

 

If I was looking today I'd likely peek at the Integra, Yamaha, Denon, and even sample Pioneer. I would avoid Sony myself not because they are bad but because to my ear they have a colder sound lacking fullness in the lower midranges. (you might find them perfect) I still get this even from my Sony BDP-S100ES BluRay players which I discovered a major audio uplift swapping for a Panasonic DMP-BDT500 so at least to my ear the Sony equipment is still a bit harsher sounding. (than I like)

 

Take media you are familiar with DVD, BluRay, CD, etc and try systems using speakers similar to what you have.

 

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My Onkyo SR606 is crapping out on me and I'm looking to replace it. Can anyone recommend a nice replacement in the $500 ballpark? 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:35 PM

Thanks for all of the input so far

 

Any particular way to search for the older models being phased out? I know I can find it, but wondering if there was a quick way of finding the older models

 Now is a good time to shop for close outs on last years models however and you may get a step up or two for the same money. 



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:10 PM

Best way I know is to visit local retailers (not Beast buy) and look at what they have that did not sell thru last year. The pickings may be slim but deals can be made. A locally owned business can price barter and at some point getting it off the shelf even at a break even is better than sitting on something that won't turn and have to go for a loss or write off.

Also retailers like these have "whales", customers that buy new all the time and dump their year old stuff when they do. These are people and deals you can only find through the local retailers.

The web is great for finding known items at the best price in current mass retail demand. There is no substitute for community relations with local retailers though. You can learn much about their business, their staff actually are enthusiasts of what they sell so they know what they are selling.

In order to sell a particular line they (smaller retailers) must commit to a minimum order and place it pre season, then hope they can turn it all before next. What didn't turn may be that gem you are looking for. If they are advertising heavily other than brand co-op stuff (manufacturers will share advert costs if their stuff is the add content) then that is overhead you the consumer has to pay for. Local mom-n-pops can be your friends.

I have one retailer in the city that uses the co-op advertising with Sony so much he gets massive pay backs which he applies to a major inventory purchase (making his cost minimal) and marks it down accordingly till its all gone (nobody can compete) I got two 52 inch XBR TVs a few years back for less than the list price for one.

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Thanks for all of the input so far

Any particular way to search for the older models being phased out? I know I can find it, but wondering if there was a quick way of finding the older models



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 11:56 AM

I would also recommend Denon.  They usually come out with their new models somewhere between April and June.  So if you can limp along until then you can either get a great deal on the old models being phased out, or pick up one of the new ones.  The new ones will probably have HDMI 2.0, so if you think you might get a 4K TV some day you might want to wait for them.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 12:09 PM

I have used a Onkyo 609 and am currently using a  Sony

 STR-DN1040  

you can check them out as well while shopping


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:57 PM

If you like Sony, make sure its the ES line...I was originally a Pioneer guy, moved up to Yamaha, and now I'm into the Denon's....


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:25 PM

My onkyo 606 apparently handles PCM like crap and there is a very annoying hummmmmmm when playing anything with a PCM audio source. Anyone aware of any current AVRs that also suffer from this issue? I want to stead clear.. So annoying

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:29 PM

Can you hook up a digital coax or optical cable from the DTV receiver to the AVR and make it work for you for good sound ?


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:30 PM

That sounds analog. There should be no generic hum from digital connections. As jimmie57 rightly asks do you have digital connections here? this sounds like you have composite audio connections in play here.

 

Do you perhaps have BOTH a digital and an analog connection from the audio outs on your PCM source devices? If so lose the analog.

 

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My onkyo 606 apparently handles PCM like crap and there is a very annoying hummmmmmm when playing anything with a PCM audio source. Anyone aware of any current AVRs that also suffer from this issue? I want to stead clear.. So annoying


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:45 PM

That sounds analog. There should be no generic hum from digital connections. As jimmie57 rightly asks do you have digital connections here? this sounds like you have composite audio connections in play here.

 

Do you perhaps have BOTH a digital and an analog connection from the audio outs on your PCM source devices? If so lose the analog.

 

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I've always run HDMI audio from from source to the receiver to ensure I can receive all of the HD audio codecs. My understanding is that optical is limited on the new HD audio codecs and limits me to 5.1 audio. I have a 6.1 setup

 

I'll dink around with the optical cable, but If I replace the AVR, issue should hopefully be resolved   :)

 

Side note - Onkyo apparently fixed this issue with some different hardware on the HDMI board, but this was in the newer versions of the 606 and not the original versions of the model line


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:49 PM

Can you hook up a digital coax or optical cable from the DTV receiver to the AVR and make it work for you for good sound ?

 

 

I dont have the issue with DTV usually since most audio sources are sent as DD to the AVR. The issue shows up mostly on my PS3

 

Some people report ground loop issues, but I've determined that it is not caused by a ground loop

 

I'll try the optical connection tomorrow just for fun



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 10:16 PM

HDMI is fully digital and you are right about the HD codecs. Despite optical having the bandwidth, the manufacturers all got together on leveraging HDMI. It forced sales of new equipment after all.

So the next question is your HDMI cable routing if it could be picking up some interference thats oscillating in the analog realm somehow. And lastly is the TV on when you are consuming PCM? Some of the TVs can punch out some analog hum but normally thats using composite connections.

Do you have an alternate source for your PCM signals? An optical/coax out CD player? An older DVD player that has HDMI? Is it your BluRay player doing this to you?

This is really an odd one. I am most curious how a digital audio path can produce what describes as an analog hum.

Please note I am not an audio equipment engineer, and I did not stay in a holiday inn express last night. I am only an enthusiast that has spent far too much of my kids inheritance on such toys (i've six home theater/music systems in my home currently) this is to say I've spent a lot of time futzing with these toys and through the various evolution iterations of equipment from DLP to LED.

Don't waste your time on my questions unless you feel compelled to attempt to locate the source of the problem before you spend on new equipment only to have the same issue.

One thing that comes to mind are the HDMI settings and if they are set to pass power in addition to signal, and/or are they set to control connected devices?

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I've always run HDMI audio from from source to the receiver to ensure I can receive all of the HD audio codecs. My understanding is that optical is limited on the new HD audio codecs and limits me to 5.1 audio. I have a 6.1 setup

I'll dink around with the optical cable, but If I replace the AVR, issue should hopefully be resolved :)

Side note - Onkyo apparently fixed this issue with some different hardware on the HDMI board, but this was in the newer versions of the 606 and not the original versions of the model line



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 11:44 PM

So the next question is your HDMI cable routing if it could be picking up some interference thats oscillating in the analog realm somehow.

 

Oh man ! That's really something to imagine ! :D



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 09:27 AM

HDMI is fully digital and you are right about the HD codecs. Despite optical having the bandwidth, the manufacturers all got together on leveraging HDMI. It forced sales of new equipment after all.

So the next question is your HDMI cable routing if it could be picking up some interference thats oscillating in the analog realm somehow. And lastly is the TV on when you are consuming PCM? Some of the TVs can punch out some analog hum but normally thats using composite connections.

Do you have an alternate source for your PCM signals? An optical/coax out CD player? An older DVD player that has HDMI? Is it your BluRay player doing this to you?

This is really an odd one. I am most curious how a digital audio path can produce what describes as an analog hum.

Please note I am not an audio equipment engineer, and I did not stay in a holiday inn express last night. I am only an enthusiast that has spent far too much of my kids inheritance on such toys (i've six home theater/music systems in my home currently) this is to say I've spent a lot of time futzing with these toys and through the various evolution iterations of equipment from DLP to LED.

Don't waste your time on my questions unless you feel compelled to attempt to locate the source of the problem before you spend on new equipment only to have the same issue.

One thing that comes to mind are the HDMI settings and if they are set to pass power in addition to signal, and/or are they set to control connected devices?

Don "new toys are fun" Bolton




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 I can get the audio hum with my TV powered off. I didn't pull the AC plug, but it makes me question an oddity I had the other day. The PCM buzz is loudest with my PS3. When I toggle through the different on-screen menus of the PS3, the buzz actually gets slightly louder and softer depending on the menu. In general, the more text-rich the menu, the softer the PCM buzz. If I back out to the main menus on the PS3, full strength. I still get the buzz with the TV off, but maybe there is some off feedback from the TV adding to this

 

I don't have any older equipment that I can try PCM on. My PS3 is my blu ray player for now. My WD TV Live also causes the PCM buzz, but it is very slight in comparison to the PS3

 

I have the audio link from my TV set to send signal to the recevier to control the volume via HDMI, but the PCM issue was present prior to enabling this option

 

Weiiiiiiird



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 10:52 AM

This goes back fourty or more years but unplug the PS3 and turn that plug over and reconnect (wall plug) back in the day we had to do that to eliminate buzz in our amplifiers. Pre polarized plugs and recptical days.

Hmm my old PS3s have grounded polarized plug do the newer ones have an external power supply with two wire?

Clueless here I'm afraid

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