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#1 OFFLINE   fuzzy

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:11 AM

how hard is to get diff. locals at directv



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#2 OFFLINE   veryoldschool

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:24 AM

Locals come off spot beams, so there aren't too many "different" locals that you can receive.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:29 AM

Locals come off spot beams, so there aren't too many "different" locals that you can receive.

but if you are in the spotbeam of the locals how hard is it?



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:56 AM

You get the locals for where you live. Not hard at all. Getting locals for where you do not live is a violation of DirecTV terms of service and discussion of how to violate TOS is a violation of our forum rules.
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Posted 12 February 2014 - 08:17 PM

It's impossible to get out of area network stations. In my experience anyways. I live in north east Mississippi. Literally 12 miles down the road in the next town they get Memphis networks. I get Columbus/Tupelo. There is something called frequently viewed channels out side your area. But from my understanding you have to get the provider ie:Memphis in my situation to ask DTV to broadcast them. That will never happen. Best thing to do is look into OTA antenna for HD. If you can't do that your basically stuck with what you got. It sucks sometimes. We just got HD locals here less than 2 years ago.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 01:05 PM

The magical correct answer:  Move to a new city. Then you'll get their locals instead of the locals you receive now.  



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 03:29 PM

There is something called frequently viewed channels out side your area. But from my understanding you have to get the provider ie:Memphis in my situation to ask DTV to broadcast them. That will never happen.

It's called Significantly Viewed Channels. A user here Joshjr might be able to tell you more about the details. He has first hand experience on the arm rangling it took to finally get the neighboring stations added for his area, it took a lot of calls to the stations since in most cases the person you get on the line has no idea what the term means or that this law exists.
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Posted 14 February 2014 - 08:50 AM

Thanks for correcting my error. I apologize for getting it wrong. I had no intentions of deliberately misleading anyone. I give up trying to do that in my area. I made at least a dozen or so phone calls in the years past with no results.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

It's impossible to get out of area network stations. In my experience anyways. I live in north east Mississippi. Literally 12 miles down the road in the next town they get Memphis networks. I get Columbus/Tupelo. There is something called frequently viewed channels out side your area. But from my understanding you have to get the provider ie:Memphis in my situation to ask DTV to broadcast them. That will never happen. Best thing to do is look into OTA antenna for HD. If you can't do that your basically stuck with what you got. It sucks sometimes. We just got HD locals here less than 2 years ago.


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Not true.  DirecTV offers DNS stations for anyone that is not covered by a an affiliate in their DMA.  I have east and west coast DNS feeds and my locals.  That is partially because I am grandfathered in but if anyone lives in a short market they can apply for a waiver.  If they truly are in a short market, there is no one to deny the waivier and it will be approved.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 10:50 AM

Thanks for correcting my error. I apologize for getting it wrong. I had no intentions of deliberately misleading anyone. I give up trying to do that in my area. I made at least a dozen or so phone calls in the years past with no results.


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Can I ask who you were calling?  DirecTV is not who you wanna call for these things.  It really only seems to get the interest of the neighboring station if they are gaining something other then a few people.  I have 2 of the possible 3 neighboring channels now and continue to work on the 3rd one.  There are many many hoops they can make you jump through.  It is worth the time though.  Even thought I imagine most people in my county do not know they have those 2 station because of the work I did, it is still rewarding to know they are enjoying the in state locals they wanted but did not know what to do to get them.  I am happy to help anyone in this area.  I am willing to make calls myself.  Get me some info on where you live, what DMA you are currently in & what stations you are trying to get and I will take a look at it.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 02:49 AM

Get me some info on where you live, what DMA you are currently in & what stations you are trying to get and I will take a look at it.

 

I am curious if D* customers in the Bowling Green, KY DMA have had waivers approved for the DNS channels? Any thoughts? It's my understanding D* currently does not offer any locals in that DMA.

 

As far as OTA in that market: FOX, CW & CBS are on sub-channels and only SD. 


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 09:02 AM

I am curious if D* customers in the Bowling Green, KY DMA have had waivers approved for the DNS channels? Any thoughts? It's my understanding D* currently does not offer any locals in that DMA.

 

As far as OTA in that market: FOX, CW & CBS are on sub-channels and only SD. 

 

I have no way of knowing if they approve waivers.  If you give me your zip code & county I will look into it and see what I kind find out on options you have available to you. 


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 01:12 PM

I am curious if D* customers in the Bowling Green, KY DMA have had waivers approved for the DNS channels? Any thoughts? It's my understanding D* currently does not offer any locals in that DMA.

 

As far as OTA in that market: FOX, CW & CBS are on sub-channels and only SD. 

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This is the local look up tool. Simply enter the zipcode and it will tell you if locals are available in that area, curtesy of DTV's website.

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 01:47 PM

For me, I am in the Denver, Colrordo Springs and Cheyenne spot beam. The Broadcast tower fro Cheyenne is 50 miles north of here; the one for Denver is about 50 miles south of here. Over the air, with a very good antenna, you can receive both cities. However, I cannot get the Cheyenne channels on DirecTV, nor cold I get them on DISH (when I subscribed to them).

 

The point is, this is done by zip code. It doe snot matter if the signals can get to you, over the air, thanks to various restrictions (thanks to NAB and Congress), you only get what is designated for your zip code. If I lived in Fort Collins (closer to Chyenne), I probably would get both Cheyenne and Denver channels. I think if I just moved 5 miles north, into Larimer County, I would get both Cheyenne and Denver.

 

Of course, TV signals do not stop at county lines or stop t certain zip codes, but leave it to Congress to come up with their own laws dealing with how the broadcast spectrum operates. The certain are counter to the basic laws of physics. These are the same "laws of physics" which claim that TV signals travel through mountains, mesas and hills like they do on flat land. Hence, why trying to get a waiver for DNS, before either DirecTV or DISK provided the Denver channels, was next to impossible.



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Posted 15 February 2014 - 02:23 PM

So for your situation, if you really want to receive Cheyenne locals, put up an antenna.

 

Without laws allowing retransmission of copyrighted content, cable and satellite customers wouldn't be able to receive local stations via their provider at all, and would have to put up an antenna in addition to their subscription. Maybe the laws could be written better, but there would always be people who aren't happy with their situation.

 

Those who can't receive locals due to terrain or distance should be grateful for any ability cable or satellite provides to receive locals/network programming, rather than complaining that they want to receive different ones or additional ones beyond those they already get. Before cable they would have been out of luck.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 11:17 AM

but if you are in the spotbeam of the locals how hard is it?

it doesnt matter, they can only provide you the locals based on your location and the boundaries for your DMA(Designated Market Area).



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 01:02 PM

I am curious if D* customers in the Bowling Green, KY DMA have had waivers approved for the DNS channels? Any thoughts? It's my understanding D* currently does not offer any locals in that DMA.
 
As far as OTA in that market: FOX, CW & CBS are on sub-channels and only SD.


I have no way of knowing if they approve waivers.  If you give me your zip code & county I will look into it and see what I kind find out on options you have available to you.


I live in Bowling Green (42101), and we do not get any locals from DirecTV. I do get locals through an antenna and the AM-21. CBS 40 in SD. Fox just became HD in the last couple of weeks. CW has been in HD for a while (at least widescreen - I don't ever watch CW programming.). I do wish that we had locals through DirecTV or could get the distant locals since they are not available.

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 01:38 PM

I was pointing out a situation where someone lives between two markets. I could have easily used Baltimore and Washington;, Philadelphia and Nee York City, Milwaukee and Chicago, Los Angeles and San Diego or Boston and Providence.

 

By the way, when I lived in Connecticut, the cable system in Groton, provided Boston, Connecticut and Rhode Island TV stations. It also included WWOR and WPIX from New York City.  If I were to live in Grotoin today, and had satellite, I would just get the Connecticut stations. Even though Groton is less than 40 miles from Providence.

 

In affect, unless this changed since the mid 1980s, local cable operators have more leeway in pulling in signals from multiple markets than satellite does.  So, I do not see a reason why satellite cannot provide all stations uplinked to a particular spot beam to their subscribers. The distances out here, one is lucky to have more than one market on a spot beam, but in more populated ares, there are multiple markets uplinked.

 

By the way, the Comcast Digital Fort Collins cable system does include KGWN (CBS affiliate from Cheyeene) i its line up, but DirecTV does not. Fort Collins is about 20 miles form KGWN's transmitter.

 

 

 

So for your situation, if you really want to receive Cheyenne locals, put up an antenna.

 

Without laws allowing retransmission of copyrighted content, cable and satellite customers wouldn't be able to receive local stations via their provider at all, and would have to put up an antenna in addition to their subscription. Maybe the laws could be written better, but there would always be people who aren't happy with their situation.

 

Those who can't receive locals due to terrain or distance should be grateful for any ability cable or satellite provides to receive locals/network programming, rather than complaining that they want to receive different ones or additional ones beyond those they already get. Before cable they would have been out of luck.



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 02:40 PM

some stations stream their network. Google or bing can help you,


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 02:18 AM

I live in Bowling Green (42101), and we do not get any locals from DirecTV. I do get locals through an antenna and the AM-21. CBS 40 in SD. Fox just became HD in the last couple of weeks. CW has been in HD for a while (at least widescreen - I don't ever watch CW programming.). I do wish that we had locals through DirecTV or could get the distant locals since they are not available.

 

Thank you for confirming that D* doesn't carry locals as I thought that was indeed the case. I also didn't know that Fox and CW had gone HD as I was simply going on the last TSReader information (dated 1/2012) at RabbitEars.info for your DMA.

 

So is WBKO running triple HD feeds because it looks like Fox and CW+ are both sub-channels? Unless something has changed that is different from the information at RabbitEars... I find it hard to believe they are running ABC (13.1), FOX (13.2) and CW+ (13.3) all in HD simultaneously. I know dual HD OTA is more common these days in a few markets. You think that maybe the CW+ is actually widescreen SD 480i and not HD? What resolution does your TV actually show for each?

 

Have you actually ever tried applying for waivers for the distant locals before, or do you just assume D* wouldn't provide them since you get adequate OTA signal? I found the Local Channel Availability search tool for DNS on the D* website and plugged in an address of a restaurant in your zip code and it showed a Yes beside DNS Availability. I am sure that doesn't guarantee you would receive them but seems as if you could at least submit waivers. I will post a screenshot below.

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