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#26 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 03:35 AM

Basically wwe wants the same ppv structure it sounds like that they have had even though now they will offer the same thing for far cheaper via online streaming.

When hbo was prepare ing hbo go they discussed with all their providers about selling it separate and instead decided to go the authentication route. They listened to their current partners and things have gone well for them and all the others that have followed suit. Wwe doesn't want to do that. They are trying to basically strong arm from a weak position is what it sounds like and failing miserably.

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 03:58 AM

here's the link from Variety:
http://variety.com/2...nch-1201113177/


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 07:04 AM

A link to the statement from DISH would be nice. Otherwise it is just another someone says someone says statement.
A news site or press release, not rumor blog or discussion forum?

It may be true but it isn't 'official' unless there is a valid link.

From Dish's Facebook - https://www.facebook..._t=feed_comment

 

From Zap2it - http://blog.zap2it.c...on-chamber.html

 

It's official. There's many sites confirming it.


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 07:30 AM

DISH We need to re-focus our efforts to support partners that better serve DISH customers. Other satellite and cable companies, including DIRECTV, have also expressed they may no longer provide WWE PPV events in the future. -Matt G.

 

well other companying aren't Dish why did you cut ties with WWE. I Bought Royal Rumble last month and Bought TLC too.

 

 

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Pay-per-view net revenues were $83.6 million, $78.3 million and $70.2 million, representing 17%, 16% and 15%

of total net revenues in 2012, 2011 and 2010, respectively

 

like I said before not everyone has a  computer think of those people stop being selfish. also nobody is asking Dish to lower the WWE PPV prices just because it on the WWE site for a lower price doesn't mean that people won't want to own the PPV on TV. your pushing UFC hard and they are undercutting Dish with UFC fight pass for 9.99.

 

What do I get for my monthly subscription

the opening contests of all UFC Pay-Per-View events and televised cards. so why isn't all the company going after UFC?

 

 

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We’re hopeful @DISH will re-consider carrying Elimination Chamber and other PPV events in the future, especially @WrestleMania XXX. (3/3)


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 09:29 AM

DISH We need to re-focus our efforts to support partners that better serve DISH customers. Other satellite and cable companies, including DIRECTV, have also expressed they may no longer provide WWE PPV events in the future. -Matt G.

 

well other companying aren't Dish why did you cut ties with WWE. I Bought Royal Rumble last month and Bought TLC too.

 

 

WWE corporate

Pay-per-view net revenues were $83.6 million, $78.3 million and $70.2 million, representing 17%, 16% and 15%

of total net revenues in 2012, 2011 and 2010, respectively

 

like I said before not everyone has a  computer think of those people stop being selfish. also nobody is asking Dish to lower the WWE PPV prices just because it on the WWE site for a lower price doesn't mean that people won't want to own the PPV on TV. your pushing UFC hard and they are undercutting Dish with UFC fight pass for 9.99.

 

What do I get for my monthly subscription

the opening contests of all UFC Pay-Per-View events and televised cards. so why isn't all the company going after UFC?

 

 

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We’re hopeful @DISH will re-consider carrying Elimination Chamber and other PPV events in the future, especially @WrestleMania XXX. (3/3)

 

The opening bouts are not the PPV bouts.  That is a big difference.  Having fight pass does not get you the UFC PPV's.


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 10:04 AM

The opening bouts are not the PPV bouts.  That is a big difference.  Having fight pass does not get you the UFC PPV's.

I don't buy that at all!

 

thanks for you Info anyways.



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Posted 20 February 2014 - 10:32 AM

I don't buy that at all!

 

thanks for you Info anyways.

It's the truth... what's not to buy?


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 10:49 AM

It's the truth... what's not to buy?

just because say it doesn't mean that UFC isn't having PPV on there Fight pass I'm not getting into with you people here your not bring back the PPV so what does it matter!



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Posted 20 February 2014 - 10:56 AM

I don't buy that at all!

 

thanks for you Info anyways.

 

Here is a link to the FAQ for UFC Fight Pass.  I see no where anywhere that it lists the PPVs are available.  One huge difference is the UFC makes alot of money off of their PPV's.  The main appeal of it is that they offer some events that are on free TV and prelim fights as well as the shows like the Ultimate Fighter.  Trust me, the UFC is not gonna undercut their own PPV sales to run a subscription for $9.99.  Its not going to happen.  I dont even think its good business for the WWE to do it.

 

http://www.ufc.com/fightpass-faq


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 04:35 PM

Live PPV Events are NOT included with UFC Fight Pass, you just get the preliminaries that also air on Fox Sports 1. The actual PPVs are on a seperate service called UFC.TV and you need to purchase them seperately at a cost that's at or near what the cable and satellite providers charge for the event. For example this weekend's UFC 170 is available for $54.99:
http://www.ufc.tv/vi...ousey-vs-mcmann

WWE has been doing the same thing with PPVs for the past few years, however up until the WWE Network launched, the PPVs were the same price as they are on cable and satellite. For example right now Elimination Chamber is $44.99 online:
http://ppv.wwe.com/

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:37 AM

Here's a quote from Dish themselves:
 
"DISH will not offer the 'WWE Elimination Chamber' PPV on 2/23. WWE is not willing to adjust their PPV costs to satellite and cable companies, which is unfair to their customers. We need to re-focus our efforts to support partners that better serve DISH customers. Other satellite and cable companies, including DIRECTV, have also expressed they may no longer provide WWE PPV events in the future."[/size]
 
So are they trying to spin it and say WWE isn't willing to drop the price of the PPVs on regular providers so they are dropping them? That sounds really stupid.[/size]


It's pretty simple what DISH is doing. WWE deems a price that DISH and everyone else has to charge on the tv side. Say, $50, for which WWE will get a share of that. Then they go out and sell the same product for only $10, but force DISH to still sell it at $50. So they undercut their own partner. I'm sure DISH is saying WAIT A MINUTE, we want that same $10 price point you are giving to customers direct. Furthermore, by not allowing us to carry it, you are forcing us to tie up valuable bandwidth, resources, etc for a business that will surely decline because you are undercutting your own distributors by selling it at a cheaper price.

That would be my guess.
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Posted 18 March 2014 - 05:28 AM

It's pretty simple what DISH is doing. WWE deems a price that DISH and everyone else has to charge on the tv side. Say, $50, for which WWE will get a share of that. Then they go out and sell the same product for only $10, but force DISH to still sell it at $50. So they undercut their own partner. I'm sure DISH is saying WAIT A MINUTE, we want that same $10 price point you are giving to customers direct. Furthermore, by not allowing us to carry it, you are forcing us to tie up valuable bandwidth, resources, etc for a business that will surely decline because you are undercutting your own distributors by selling it at a cheaper price.

That would be my guess.

 

 

When you think about it them taking there PPV's to the Network and charging less for them doesn't matter the people that really want it's on PPV over the air will pay the higher cost why to own it that why. dish isn't going to win this fight why don't they just offer the PPV already and keep them at the same price I know the people don't mind paying the price. 



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 03:19 PM

Last time I checked there still was Extra Innings on D*.  The effect of MLB.COM seems to have no ill affect on the satellite delivered version of the content.  So what's with WWE (not that I care)?  Other than each event on PPV costs a fixed amount, versus buying a "season pass".  Maybe satellite needs to rethink how they market WWE.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 04:03 PM

MLB is a little more popular than WWE ... plus the feeds are already there for delivery as RSNs to in market customers - the cost of opening up those feeds on mirrored channels is worth the money they make off of the season long subscription to MLB Extra Innings. (Extra Innings was $139.96 last year - MLB.TV is $109.99 or $129.99 for the premium level. Not much of a savings for going online.)

WWE is a special uplink - not just slapping another number on an existing channel. The discount is greater for going online. It may not have been worth DISH carrying in the past, depending on how much DISH cleared on each sale. Every customer who is encouraged to find another way by the offer of a lower price cuts into DISH's profits - perhaps to the point where it is not worth spending the money to rebroadcast the feed.
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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:08 PM

MLB is a little more popular than WWE ... plus the feeds are already there for delivery as RSNs to in market customers - the cost of opening up those feeds on mirrored channels is worth the money they make off of the season long subscription to MLB Extra Innings. (Extra Innings was $139.96 last year - MLB.TV is $109.99 or $129.99 for the premium level. Not much of a savings for going online.)

WWE is a special uplink - not just slapping another number on an existing channel. The discount is greater for going online. It may not have been worth DISH carrying in the past, depending on how much DISH cleared on each sale. Every customer who is encouraged to find another way by the offer of a lower price cuts into DISH's profits - perhaps to the point where it is not worth spending the money to rebroadcast the feed.

 

 

well you don't know what your talking about their are more people that watch WWE then boring MLB who wants to sit though 9 boring inng's  sorry but that the truth!! I wouldn't pay a dime for MLB sorry but that the truth!!

WWE attendance figures (2/7-2/11, sellouts for TV tapings)

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WWE attendance figures from February 7 to February 11, 2014.

* 2/7 house show in Oakland, California: 5,400 fans.

* 2/8 house show in San Jose, California: 4,700 fans.

* 2/8 house show in San Diego, California: 4,00 fans.

* 2/9 house show in Fresno, California: 6,000 fans.

* 2/9 house show in Bakersfield, California: 4,500 fans.

* 2/10 WWE RAW taping in Los Angeles, California: sellout of 14,000 fans.

* 2/11 WWE Smackdown/Main Event tapings in Ontario, California: sellout of 7,000 fans.

 

WWE released its business charts for October, which covered both the Battleground and Hell in a Cell PPV shows.

Exact breakdowns were not listed but we are attempting to get them.  The two shows combined did 334,000 buys on a worldwide basis.  However, Hell in a Cell topped 205,000 worldwide, so Battleground did in the 125-130,000 range worldwide.

 

and it's on PPV it's not like were asking them to make a channel for the WWE just give us WM-30 on PPV that all we are asking for!

 

Thank You

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Edited by dish556, 18 March 2014 - 11:13 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:08 AM

Live attendance and worldwide views are not a report of how many people bought the show through DISH network.

(If you want to use attendance figures, the LA Dodgers had an average attendance of 46,216 for home games last year. The least attended team had an average of 18,645 attendance and 81 home games. Over 1.5 million total attendance last year for the least attended team. There was a total game attendance of 74,026,895 for MLB. How did the WWE do?)

You are asking DISH to create a channel for WWE. The channel may only be up for a few hours for the PPV event ... but it is a channel on the system that takes away from other content DISH could put on that PPV channel.

I doubt you will find the numbers needed to win the argument: How many PPV subscribers via DISH? How much money was made by DISH delivering that content? Such things are normally not publicized in detail.


"The report reveals one of the worst pay-per-view buy numbers in WWE history for the Battleground pay-per-view at 114,000 buys."
http://www.wrestling...r-battleground/

No telling how many of those subscriptions were bought through DISH - and that is what matters to DISH. Is it worth it to DISH to carry WWE? Strip away the emotion and look at it like a business trying to make a profit.
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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:01 AM

well you don't know what your talking about their are more people that watch WWE then boring MLB who wants to sit though 9 boring inng's  sorry but that the truth!! I wouldn't pay a dime for MLB sorry but that the truth!!

WWE attendance figures (2/7-2/11, sellouts for TV tapings)

Friday, 14 February 2014 00:03 by Adam Martin

 

WWE attendance figures from February 7 to February 11, 2014.

* 2/7 house show in Oakland, California: 5,400 fans.

* 2/8 house show in San Jose, California: 4,700 fans.

* 2/8 house show in San Diego, California: 4,00 fans.

* 2/9 house show in Fresno, California: 6,000 fans.

* 2/9 house show in Bakersfield, California: 4,500 fans.

* 2/10 WWE RAW taping in Los Angeles, California: sellout of 14,000 fans.

* 2/11 WWE Smackdown/Main Event tapings in Ontario, California: sellout of 7,000 fans.

 

WWE released its business charts for October, which covered both the Battleground and Hell in a Cell PPV shows.

Exact breakdowns were not listed but we are attempting to get them.  The two shows combined did 334,000 buys on a worldwide basis.  However, Hell in a Cell topped 205,000 worldwide, so Battleground did in the 125-130,000 range worldwide.

 

and it's on PPV it's not like were asking them to make a channel for the WWE just give us WM-30 on PPV that all we are asking for!

 

Thank You

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I could pick out seven random baseball games (even spring training games) and beat those house numbers for WWE. Nice try but the baseball numbers would shame the WWE numbers you posted.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 08:12 AM

Why are you comparing baseball attendance in STADIUMS to wrestling shows in arenas? Completely ridiculous, dish556.

 

I'll quote myself from earlier how pathetic PPV buys are and how it's pretty worthless for Dish, especially now.

 

 

I'm a wrestling fan, but you're wrong here. PPV buys aren't significant enough to really matter. Look at 2013 and you will see how awful it's been... Mania couldn't even crack 750,000 and that's the biggest event. 750k over EVERY North American provider is sad... so what's Dish's number? I'd guess under 10k easy. Last year the Elimination Chamber had around 181,000 buys over every North American provider... Probably 1,000 for Dish, if that many. It won't hurt Dish dropping PPV.


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:53 PM

Why are you comparing baseball attendance in STADIUMS to wrestling shows in arenas? Completely ridiculous, dish556.

 

I'll quote myself from earlier how pathetic PPV buys are and how it's pretty worthless for Dish, especially now.

 

 why are they showing the Road to Wrestlemania if they aren't showing the PPV don't carry that Movie it makes No sence if your not carrying the WM-30 PPV!

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Starring:Frank Welker, Mindy Cohn, Matthew Lillard, Charles S. Dutton
Rating:PG
Released: 2014
Genre: Animation

 

why are you going to carry this on PPV Dish I thought you weren't going to show anything WWE?

 

WWE has 4.14 twitter followers and MLB has 3.48 followers


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:58 PM

First off stop quoting world wide numbers. They mean nothing. The only reason they post then is to look more important than they are. What if 3/4 of that is over seas where no DIRECTV or dish subs are?

Second again tv ratings for baseball games will beat any wrestling ppv event on any give day as well. Add up all the people who watch baseball on tv today during spring training and it will likely be more than your world wide numbers you like.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:00 PM

That's the direct to DVD animated movie distributed by Warner Bros so it's available on a same day basis via PPV and On Demand on any provider that has a distribution deal with WB studios. It has absolutely nothing to do with carrying PPV Events.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:03 PM

That's the direct to DVD animated movie distributed by Warner Bros so it's available on a same day basis via PPV and On Demand on any provider that has a distribution deal with WB studios. It has absolutely nothing to do with carrying PPV Events.

 

it though wwe flims.

http://en.wikipedia....leMania_Mystery



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:04 PM

it though wwe flims.
http://en.wikipedia....leMania_Mystery

WWE films doesn't distribute movies, they partner with other studios. The only involvement WWE has with this one is their characters providing voices. The animation and distribution is all Warner Brothers.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:05 PM

It's distributed by WB.


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