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#1 OFFLINE   Davenlr

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 08:23 PM

It seems to me that Fox Sports 1 is really got a soft picture.  Watching the Duals from Daytona, and even their graphics are not very sharp.   Ive seen lots better on 720p stations.

 


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 08:43 PM

It seems to me that most 720p content on DirecTV looks very soft (and I'm not talking about the obvious difference in detail between 720p and 1080i channels).

 

Comparing DirecTV 720p to other providers (namely, Rogers Cable & Comcast) 720p content is MUCH sharper on cable.

 

Whether it be the Fox Sports regional channels, ABC, ESPN, Fox network television.... it all seems much, much softer on DirecTV than other providers.

 

In fact, I'll post a screenshot comparison for you from DirecTV WNYW vs OTA, it's night and day.


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#3 OFFLINE   Davenlr

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 08:56 PM

I agree.  I just did an A/B comparison with my Tivo XL4 on Xfinity, and its a LOT sharper.  Both are running through the same HDMI port on the TV, so none of the TV settings are different.   Never paid attention before.   Guess Ill start watching the 720p stations on Xfinity instead.  I always just assumed Directv had a better PQ, so I only watch Xfinity for those stations not on DirecTv.   Thanks for your observation.  WIll improve my sports viewing by a bunch.


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 10:32 PM

I have read others here say that Fox Sports is soft 720p HD picture quality; I think its the general consensus across the family of Fox Sports owned channels. However, I regularly watch FS Southwest Plus HD (San Antonio feed) and I feel it always has excellent 720p picture quality compared to a lot of the others. Now, granted its only a part time (game only) HD alternate feed on 677-1. 


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:45 PM

To re-iterate my point about relatively poor PQ on 720p content on DirecTV, here are two screenshot comparisons.

 

Both captured losslessly using an HDMI capture card, from WNYW. One DirecTV, one Comcast.

 

(By default, DirecTV frame is shown, roll over to see Comcast)

 

http://screenshotcom...omparison/64071

 

http://screenshotcom...omparison/64072

 

It is most apparent to the "average" viewer by looking at the sharpness of the graphics, but there is a noticeable loss of detail everywhere with DirecTV.

 

I can certainly most more examples as I realize this isn't the best content to compare, but it applies to all 720p content.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:46 PM

Just flopped the channel between comcast and DirecTv and indeed, it's noticeably better on comcast. Just checked the video settings on both inputs and adjusted them to be identical, it's even better now in comcast.

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 08:04 PM

I'll take your word for it, plus the almost 40% more bits on the Comcast feed. 

How do you take the readings on the bits and bytes? 

Neat illustration, but I can't see enough difference on the two jpgs. 


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 09:04 PM

I'll take your word for it, plus the almost 40% more bits on the Comcast feed. 

How do you take the readings on the bits and bytes? 

Neat illustration, but I can't see enough difference on the two jpgs. 

The difference is... extremely obvious. Perhaps the page isn't loading properly for you?

 

Those numbers are just the file sizes on the image file, not the bitrate at the source. Comcast is ~11 Mbit MPEG-2, which is not very impressive, but still looks far better than DTV.


Edited by charlie460, 23 February 2014 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 09:29 PM

The check boxes on the top of both of them say Comcast.  I see no difference between the "Nascar on Fox" logo on either one.  You sure it uploaded the DirecTv one?  I sure see the difference on my TV between the two. 


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 10:10 PM

There aren't any check boxes, you just roll your mouse over the image... works fine here, but here are the still captures:

 

#1

DirecTV: http://screenshotcom..._0639524817.png

Comcast: http://screenshotcom..._5720861934.png

 

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DirecTV: http://screenshotcom..._8901275634.png

Comcast: http://screenshotcom..._1402379658.png



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 11:18 PM

Yea, that makes it really obvious.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 06:25 AM

It's not just FS1, other channels are much better as well. I also assumed DirecTV had a better picture quality.

To people who don't have the luxury of multiple providers, they would probably never notice, but it's safe to say (generally speaking from my personal comparison), Comcast has a better HD picture. Never thought I would say that.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 07:48 PM

Comparing OTA to DirecTV really is not fair. 

 

DirecTV has to convert to baseband and then re-encode in mpeg4.

 

That in itself will result in detail loss which is shown in that picture.

 

A better comparison would be a 720p channel (or even 1080i for that matter) that is distributed from the Source in MPEG4 as well as MPEG2.

 

But, fwiw, DirecTV has always looked soft to me.






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