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#126 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:13 AM

While you may be right, at some point is has to be cheaper than acquiring new orbital slots and launching new birds.


It will get done eventually ... just like DirecTV will eventually get rid of all their MPEG2 only devices. DISH just needs to figure out how to get it done and remain (mostly) profitable.
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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:58 AM

It will get done eventually ... just like DirecTV will eventually get rid of all their MPEG2 only devices. DISH just needs to figure out how to get it done and remain (mostly) profitable.

Imo dish is waiting till the last moment in the hope that those subs will call in and ask for HD upgrade themselves. This will allow dish to Bill those customers upgrade cost plus tie them to another 2 year contract.
If dish wanted they could have at least swapped all legacy equipment allowing at least 8psk transition on western arc by now

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 10:31 AM

I'm confused,  weren't we supposed to get DIS JR the channel?  Is it still coming? 



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 10:48 AM

I'm confused,  weren't we supposed to get DIS JR the channel?  Is it still coming? 

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 10:49 AM

According to the press release Disney jr is included. So I expect it to come along soon. :D



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 01:23 PM

Thanks for the update. Isn't the Eastern Arc all MPEG4 now? Are there more subs that use the Western Arc? Living on the West Coast (Oregon), I can use either Arc's but the Westerb Arc is higher so less apt to get rainfade.

 

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:51 PM

Thanks for the update. Isn't the Eastern Arc all MPEG4 now? Are there more subs that use the Western Arc? Living on the West Coast (Oregon), I can use either Arc's but the Westerb Arc is higher so less apt to get rainfade.

 

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Once they formally started putting people on eastern arc years ago, yes, they made it a requirement to get the newer equipment for MPEG4... so while there could be a few legacy mixed arc/custom install scenarios... officially anyone on eastern arc is required to have the newer equipment.

 

Western arc, though, still has a lot of subscribers... and even people with a primary MPEG4 receiver on western arc might still have some legacy equipment in use too for other rooms.

 

Dish tries to entice people to swap to things like the Hopper partially to get that system out there but also to upgrade those folk...  There will one day be a tipping point where less people are left to upgrade OR costs of satellite launch are prohibitive by comparison OR they are willing to cut and run on customers who don't want to upgrade...  but we are likely years away from that point.

 

IF Dish takes the hard-line too soon to "force" people to swap out equipment...  those customers might decide to switch to cable, DirecTV, or cut the cord altogether... so Dish has to be careful applying too much pressure too soon.


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:33 PM

There is not much on Eastern Arc that is of use to a subscriber without MPEG4 equipment.

DISH loses 2.5 million plus subscribers each year and replaces them with new subscribers (at a cost of $842 each). That works out to 5.3 years to cycle through all 14 million customers. Unfortunately the customers they lose and replace are not necessarily the ones with the older equipment. Too many people bouncing back and forth between providers every two years or so.
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Posted 22 March 2014 - 11:22 AM

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:05 PM

There will one day be a tipping point where less people are left to upgrade OR costs of satellite launch are prohibitive by comparison OR they are willing to cut and run on customers who don't want to upgrade...  but we are likely years away from that point.

I suspect we will have transitioned completely to IPTV by that point. Even now, cable/satellite has become what old folks subscribe to.



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Posted 23 March 2014 - 09:44 AM

Getting rid of MPEG2 (or QPSK transponders as a first step) would free up space on existing satellites. But doing that would require replacing millions of older QPSK only receivers that are still in use. There are some SD receivers that can do MPEG2 on 8PSK transponders (a roughly 50% increase in channels per transponder). Getting everyone over to 8PSK, preferably MPEG4, will not be cheap or a quick transition.

Any answer has to take into account every supported receiver in the field. Even changes that only affect the HD signals need to work on receivers that were placed as early as 2005 (411 and ViP-211) and 2006 (ViP-622) or we're back to replacing receivers.

DISH can squeeze a few more HD channels on existing transponders so all is not lost ... but new HD comes at a cost. I hope people really enjoy what they have. :)

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 09:56 AM

When will Dish put another bird up?


The next satellite should be Echostar XVIII (18) launching at the end of 2015 to 110. It is a replacement for Echostar X (10). It will not be adding any additional bandwidth.
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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:42 AM

I suspect we will have transitioned completely to IPTV by that point. Even now, cable/satellite has become what old folks subscribe to.

Or people who don't live in a major metro area subscribe to. I know it's hard for some people to believe that not everyone lives in a big city or even real near to one and that once you're outside a major metro area there's just not the infrastructure to support something like IPTV. There's an awful lot of people out there for IPTV will never be a viable option unless there's a serious push to get real HSI to everyone, which there doesn't seem to be any serious effort to do.




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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:46 AM

Or people who don't live in a major metro area subscribe to. I know it's hard for some people to believe that not everyone lives in a big city or even real near to one and that once you're outside a major metro area there's just not the infrastructure to support something like IPTV. There's an awful lot of people out there for IPTV will never be a viable option unless there's a serious push to get real HSI to everyone, which there doesn't seem to be any serious effort to do.

 

Exactly, where I live I only had a 1.5mbps DSL line until a couple months ago.  I can now get up to 4mbsp but that is as fast as I can get.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 12:10 PM

There is a push by AT&T and Verizon to ditch copper and go all wireless at some point and that would reach everyone a lot faster than wiring everyone. But who knows.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 01:37 PM

IPTV is MUCH farther away than some seem to think.  Besides the poor infrastructure and rural coverage... the ISPs want to charge too much for high-speed and have bandwidth caps and overage charges which will make those services cost WAY more than current cable/satellite that people already think cost too much.

 

IPTV is fine as supplemental "TV" but will not ever become a primary source for most people unless and until some major paradigm shifts happen with the ISPs.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:35 PM

Agreed.  Just bought a Roku box to supplement the Dish and while it is fun, even we went out and installed an OTA antenna, our viewing habits would have to change significantly before IPTV could be an adequate replacement.  Not to mention the fact that my ISP wanted an additional $30 per month to upgrade to a faster speed.  Add on all of the subscription fees for some of the individual channels that Roku offers on a pay basis and the savings doesn't seem worth it, at least not yet.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:35 PM

Meant to say even if went out and installed an OTA antenna



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:55 PM

Agreed.  Just bought a Roku box to supplement the Dish and while it is fun, even we went out and installed an OTA antenna, our viewing habits would have to change significantly before IPTV could be an adequate replacement.  Not to mention the fact that my ISP wanted an additional $30 per month to upgrade to a faster speed.  Add on all of the subscription fees for some of the individual channels that Roku offers on a pay basis and the savings doesn't seem worth it, at least not yet.


I agree completely! I recently priced out what a cord-cutting scenario would look like for me. I added in the cost of subscription services like Netflix and Hulu, the subscription of an OTA recorder such as Tivo, and what it would cost to purchase all of the shows not available on subscriptions via Apple TV. The savings ended up being only $15/ month which I can easily justify considering the wealth of Sports programming available via Sat that I would not have with IPTV. I can see certain subscription services as a value add but I don't think its viable as a full fledged replacement, at least not for me.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 03:55 AM

I added in the cost of subscription services like Netflix and Hulu, the subscription of an OTA recorder such as Tivo, and what it would cost to purchase all of the shows not available on subscriptions via Apple TV.

 

Isn't Hulu + Tivo a somewhat redundant system?  Most of Hulu Plus (I know, not all) is to give you access to network programming a day or two later.

 

Tivo is not the cheapest long-term DVR solution for OTA, though it is probably the nicest.  Channel Master's new DVR would work out to be less expensive, but does have a slightly higher sticker price.

 

Is it really necessary to purchase all of those shows?  For instance, I'm a huge BBC fan, and Top Gear and Orphan Black are two series I really enjoy.  Top Gear season 20 DVD is only $12 on Amazon.  A month of BBC America was costing me $10.  And Orphan Black's DVD will be out shortly after the show airs in the US, and my library will have it available for a loan shortly thereafter.  So I can get that one for free.  It won't be "the same" as subscribing to BBC America, but it will be a significant cost savings over the course of a year.  Cord-cutting to save money takes more than just replacing the delivery system.  It takes a different mindset about how important it is to watch the latest stuff.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:16 AM

There is a push by AT&T and Verizon to ditch copper and go all wireless at some point and that would reach everyone a lot faster than wiring everyone. But who knows.

Yep at a ridiculous price and ridiculous data caps. Verizion is already trying it in our area. Might as well subscribe to Satellite internet.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:17 AM

Cord-cutting to save money takes more than just replacing the delivery system.  It takes a different mindset about how important it is to watch the latest stuff.

Binge watching with no commercials more than makes up for the content not being the latest stuff in my case. After a couple of years with Netflix, I find it next to impossible for me to enjoy anything with commercials - even the 30-sec skip button is annoying.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:35 AM

There is a push by AT&T and Verizon to ditch copper and go all wireless at some point and that would reach everyone a lot faster than wiring everyone. But who knows.

That will be ten years down the road.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 01:45 PM

Sorry guys.  :grin:   This is a generational thing.  Younger folks are cutting the telephone and cable/satellite cord in record numbers.  My two teenagers almost never watch Dish and ceratinly would not do something as uncool as watching live TV.  We have netflix and amazon and that's about all they watch, plus a lot of goofy youtube-type stuff....


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 03:31 PM

Youngsters don't mind watching things on that itty-bitty screen, but as they grow up (age) things will change.

 

Their big screen TV may be wireless, but they will not stick with the little screens - too little data on one page.


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