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#21 OFFLINE   KyL416

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:10 PM

You're assuming that the SV channels are surely on the same (or 100% overlapping) spot beam as the LIL channels and I don't think that's a reasonable assumption.

This is not an assumption, the resources are out there to know this.

We have transponder maps that show where the locals are located (along with indicators that show the virtual remaps for areas where SV channels are carried, they don't reuplink them, they just remap the existing LIL feed):
http://www.dbstalk.c...refresh-352014/

The significantly viewed list is on the FCC site to know which counties and/or towns neighboring stations can be carried:
http://transition.fc...tions112013.pdf

Spot beam maps are available too that show where the signal starts to die off.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:51 PM

One thing I don't understand about that list is that it lists local channels that are in the market.  For example, Baltimore County is in the Baltimore market and it lists 3 Baltimore stations and 2 DC stations and it leaves out 4 Baltimore stations.  I would expect them to either list all of the stations in the Baltimore market or leave them all out and only include the out of market stations that are significantly viewed.

 

Also, I think any legislation should allow customers to opt out of receiving local channels (and the cable/satellite companies shouldn't have to count them as part of their subscribers for the purposes of negotiating).  I can receive my locals OTA and don't need them provided via satellite.  The only thing that they would need to monitor is that a local station doesn't modify its signal so it cannot be received by as many people or reduce the quality of the OTA signal.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:31 PM

"Where would you require carriage of a local station?"
 
Since the system for carriage is already in place, all channels and sub-channels would be carried.


I was looking for a where more than a what ... although I like the concept of carrying all non-repetitive subchannels.

The where question (for required carriage) would be "within their predicted OTA coverage" or "within their Nielson market" or "anywhere the spotbeam they are on covers".
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:53 PM

One thing I don't understand about that list is that it lists local channels that are in the market.  For example, Baltimore County is in the Baltimore market and it lists 3 Baltimore stations and 2 DC stations and it leaves out 4 Baltimore stations.  I would expect them to either list all of the stations in the Baltimore market or leave them all out and only include the out of market stations that are significantly viewed.


It may be as simple as the missing stations not asking to be on the list. If the station is already carried on cable systems where they want to be carried the list is irrelevant.

Also, I think any legislation should allow customers to opt out of receiving local channels (and the cable/satellite companies shouldn't have to count them as part of their subscribers for the purposes of negotiating).  I can receive my locals OTA and don't need them provided via satellite.  The only thing that they would need to monitor is that a local station doesn't modify its signal so it cannot be received by as many people or reduce the quality of the OTA signal.


There are standards that apply to OTA regardless of if they are carried by satellite. The stations would also be harming their non-cable/satellite subscribing viewers.
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 04:06 PM

It may be as simple as the missing stations not asking to be on the list. If the station is already carried on cable systems where they want to be carried the list is irrelevant.

 

 

...and that's exactly why the law should be tailored for cable equivalency, with regards to DBS.  Makes for a fairer market.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 04:36 PM

...and that's exactly why the law should be tailored for cable equivalency, with regards to DBS.  Makes for a fairer market.


I agree. If a local channel must be carried by a cable system it should also be carried by a satellite system. The big hole in the current rules for neighboring markets create a situation where a channel that must be carried by cable cannot be carried by satellite. And that is just wrong.
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 06:02 PM

The broadcasters have too much influence in getting laws written that benefit them and not us.

 

And that is just wrong.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:19 AM

The broadcasters have too much influence in getting laws written that benefit them and not us.

 

And that is just wrong.

If satellite and cable had their way, there would be NO local stations or broadcasters, and you'd just pay extra for everything.

The only thing keeping many local stations alive is retrans fees.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:03 AM

We have transponder maps that show where the locals are located (along with indicators that show the virtual remaps for areas where SV channels are carried, they don't reuplink them, they just remap the existing LIL feed).

Your argument doesn't answer why they carry so few SV channels.

 

SV channels don't have to ask for carriage, it is something that the provider wants to carry to be competitive with other carriers.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 09:51 AM

Your argument doesn't answer why they carry so few SV channels.

 

SV channels don't have to ask for carriage, it is something that the provider wants to carry to be competitive with other carriers.

 

I think that is a narrow view.  There are other reasons.  It could be short markets, orphin counties, etc.


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