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#51 OFFLINE   Joe Tylman

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 12:55 AM

If a new DIRECTV customer orders an HR24 (perhaps for stability reasons), they are charged $31 in hardware fees before promotional credits. If the same customer opts for a ViP722 with DISH, they pay a $17 in fees (excluding promotional credits).

There are degrees of meanness.

 

I'm assuming you just did a typo as it's only $21 if a new customer gets a HD DVR. With that said Genie's are going to be the go to DVR for any new customer if they want to record. HD DVR's would only really come into the equation if a customer wanted more recording than the Genie. So even in your scenario it's a $48 dollar annual difference and that's on a very small % of installs.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:27 AM

And what stability reason to want a HR24? He didn't make a typo, he doesn't have a clue and thinks directv still charges a Hi Definition fee which they don't anymore as you know.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 04:32 AM

And what stability reason to want a HR24? He didn't make a typo, he doesn't have a clue and thinks directv still charges a Hi Definition fee which they don't anymore as you know.

Directv does too still charge an HD fee.

My mother's 1 H25 account most certainly has a $10 HD access fee.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 04:40 AM

Directv does too still charge an HD fee.

My mother's 1 H25 account most certainly has a $10 HD access fee.


The "$31" applied to new accounts started on July 23rd (before credits). "$21" applies to new accounts started on July 24th (or after). He just needs to update his price chart. DirecTV does not have a HD access fee or advanced receiver fee that bundles a HD access fee for new customers. That ended July 24th.
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 05:14 AM

The "$31" applied to new accounts started on July 23rd (before credits). "$21" applies to new accounts started on July 24th (or after). He just needs to update his price chart. DirecTV does not have a HD access fee or advanced receiver fee that bundles a HD access fee for new customers. That ended July 24th.

So in other words , Directv is over charging its existing customers again, and new customers catch another break.

Because I'm still seeing a $25 charge, and my Mom is still seeing a $10 Charge.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 05:37 AM

I will keep saying as it get's tiring for the $10 HD fee,   They could still keep the DVR fee,   Of course overtime they'll probably add the $6 for first receiver in return for removing the $10 fee,   which could be $4 bucks in savings,   But they'll probably raise either the WHS fee or DVR fee (or Sports fee) for existing customers.   We'll get screwed one way or another as if we aren't already.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 08:13 AM

So in other words , Directv is over charging its existing customers again, and new customers catch another break.
Because I'm still seeing a $25 charge, and my Mom is still seeing a $10 Charge.


So you and your mom don't have some sort of credit offsetting the charge for HD?
If not, perhaps you should complain more directly to DirecTV. :)
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:52 AM

So in other words , Directv is over charging its existing customers again, and new customers catch another break.

Because I'm still seeing a $25 charge, and my Mom is still seeing a $10 Charge.

No AIUI, new customers who want HD must now pay $6.00 more than before 24th.

 

And new customers who don't want HD, have no choice now but to accept it and must likewise pay $6.00 more than before the 24th.

 

Therefore new subs. only have a $4.00 savings over existing ones like you and your Mother for the same equipment.

 

Of course for me, I'm on the old $10 + $10 + $3 billing with the $10 DVR fee permanently waived on a grandfathered Premier package. So I now save $8 in cost over the new sub. pricing instead of only $2. :)    


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:58 AM

Directv does NOT charge for MRV for new customers.  They charge $15 if you have a dvr, or many dvrs.  end of story.

I see the rate has changed but here's what you're paying for:
 

Advanced Receiver Service gives customers with any HD DVR receiver access to all of the cutting-edge features available from DIRECTV, including:

  • Whole-Home DVR: The ability to record and watch shows in any room, with one HD DVR. (Requires a Genie HD DVR and one Genie Mini for each additional TV, or a DIRECTV Plus HD DVR and an HD receiver for each additional TV)
  • Access to HD programming
  • Thousands shows and movies On Demand
  • Live TV on your tablet or mobile device anywhere in your home
  • The new HD On-Screen Guide
  • Pandora Internet radio and YouTube on your TV
  • Facebook and Twitter connection to share your favorite shows
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 10:15 AM

Directv does NOT charge for MRV for new customers.  They charge $15 if you have a dvr, or many dvrs.  end of story.

According to the "new look bill" listed earlier there is a $10 credit on that item to get it down to $15 and it also says the credit is for 3 months only.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

I've always thought there would be a market for a provider that offered premium tiers but no sports at all. Half the country doesn't watch sports, and the more prices for sports content goes up relative to the price for everything else the greater the demand will be for something like this.

The only logical choice (unless Dish had decided go this way a few years ago to better differentiate themselves from Directv) would be someone starting up a new national IPTV provider. Maybe Barry Diller will start something like that up, since Aereo is dead. I suppose technically that would count as part of the "cord cutter" movement, but they'd have access to everything those of us who subscribe to cable or satellite have, except the sports - they'd maybe even have the major sporting events on broadcast networks blacked out to save on retransmission fees.

That's what people really want if they want to save money. If you want a list of channels that's longer than about 20, you'd end up paying more ala carte than you do taking a package that includes those 20 along with 200 others you don't want.

I don't think Disney will sell you ABC without ESPN. Fox won't sell you the FX without Fox Sports 1, etc.
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 11:07 AM

According to the "new look bill" listed earlier there is a $10 credit on that item to get it down to $15 and it also says the credit is for 3 months only.

 

That's right it does say that;

 

OH well ....I thought I finally had a handle on this new "easier" pricing structure.  :lol:

 

Only 3 months for the 10.00 HD access credit?

 

And whats supposed to happen then?

 

I can't believe DIRECTV will be then be going up by $16.00 total on post July 23rd new subs.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:32 PM

Can you provide a source or two for the assertion that half our country doesn't watch sports, please?

 

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There are 100 million cable subscribers in the United States. If each of them pays $5 a month for ESPN, that’s a revenue flow of $6 billion. Yet only 20 percent of viewers are estimated to watch sports on a regular basis. If we cautiously estimate that, given a choice, only half of cable subscribers would choose to pay for ESPN, that would be a $3 billion dollar yearly revenue loss for ESPN. Some of that loss could be offset by raising the monthly rate for loyal viewers, but the more ESPN charges, the more it risks losing viewers who find the rate too expensive.

 

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:42 PM

I see the rate has changed but here's what you're paying for:

That WHDS is listed at the top says you're wrong.


As usual you are wrong. You quoted a specific price earlier for just Whole Home Service. That does not exist anymore. They simplified it. If you have DVR you have Whole Home Service it's included. End of story, stop trying to reword things to make it see like you know what he talking about.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:43 PM

I don't think Disney will sell you ABC without ESPN. Fox won't sell you the FX without Fox Sports 1, etc.

 

Disney won't at first, but if someone put together a package that included all the other sports-free networks like AMC, HBO and so on, and starts getting a lot of subscribers, maybe they start feeling the pain and have to cave. Fox may or may not be willing to deal, FS1 isn't that big yet. They probably collect less money for it than they do for FNC. If you don't get Disney on board, what exactly are you losing? The Disney channel? ABC Family? Big deal, most people could live without them with all the money they'd be saving not paying for sports they don't want.

 

You'd still get your ABC network programming, because those negotiations are with local stations just like cable/satellite providers do today. Though actually if you could get the network feeds you'd be better off. The FCC rules covering cable/satellite probably wouldn't apply to a pure IP delivery provider, though I'm sure you'd get sued by the NAB and have to go through court to establish that.

 

If you don't watch sports, what reason do you as a subscriber have to care about getting your local station versus getting whatever station that provides you each network? Local news? Put up an antenna or visit their web site!


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:44 PM

Directv does too still charge an HD fee.

My mother's 1 H25 account most certainly has a $10 HD access fee.


I meant new customers. Do as I did, open up and incognito window in a web browser and start a directv new system and you will see the only advanced receiver fee is the DVR fee now at 15 and there is no mention of Hi Definition or sd, as its all included, you are only being channels now, not Hi Definition or sd. Finally.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:49 PM

So in other words , Directv is over charging its existing customers again, and new customers catch another break.
Because I'm still seeing a $25 charge, and my Mom is still seeing a $10 Charge.


I'm paying 23. It just depends. Add in they now pay for every outlet, you are paying four more, I'm paying 2 more. But......

Depending on when and what package you signed up for, I also get more channels for about the same price as a new customer, as I'm on an older package.

It gets real convoluted when you start looking at that aspect.

Personally I wish they would end all grandfathering for everything and move everyone to the same pricing structure so its easier for everyone to understand and follow and not have to call in for out 10 off for a year every year. But that will never happen. Its better than cable though, they hadn't touched a grandfathered package for one of my neighbors. So they where paying 80 more a month than the newer package and getting less channels. Needless to say they now have directv, that had been going on for several years we came to find out.
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:51 PM

I will keep saying as it get's tiring for the $10 HD fee, They could still keep the DVR fee, Of course overtime they'll probably add the $6 for first receiver in return for removing the $10 fee, which could be $4 bucks in savings, But they'll probably raise either the WHS fee or DVR fee (or Sports fee) for existing customers. We'll get screwed one way or another as if we aren't already.


As I said before, directv no longer has a charge for Whole Home Service. It's just the 15 DVR fee that includes Whole Home Service and all. They can't raise that fee, option doesn't exist. Only the DVR fee.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:52 PM

According to the "new look bill" listed earlier there is a $10 credit on that item to get it down to $15 and it also says the credit is for 3 months only.


Yeah that's for old customers. Like you me and anyone signed up before the 24. Start a new setup in their system and you will see that its just a DVR fee now.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:53 PM

That's right it does say that;

OH well ....I thought I finally had a handle on this new "easier" pricing structure. :lol:

Only 3 months for the 10.00 HD access credit?

And whats supposed to happen then?

I can't believe DIRECTV will be then be going up by $16.00 total on post July 23rd new subs.


It's not. That has nothing to do with Hi Definition fees. That's just a credit for signing up or something. Completely different.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 08:41 AM

http://stanford.scou...-college-sports


http://www.al.com/sp..._sports_br.html

20% is a fairly large number.
But there is also a lot of sports out there to watch.

But yes I agree sports is big, but not what Directv makes it out to be.
Most people watch their local sports to begin with.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 08:49 AM

I watch:

Nascar racing,

NHRA racing,

Golf, Men's and Ladies,

Tennis,

Boxing,

 

Once in awhile I watch a Football game like the Super Bowl.

 

I have the package I have because of the Golf Channel, the Tennis Channel, FS! and FS2. I could drop down 1 package but I would lose 1 or 2 of those.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

Thank you for the source. But the author didn't cite any sites, using the "it is estimated" copout. Then he goes on to say, (which you quoted also)

 

 

There are 100 million cable subscribers in the United States. If each of them pays $5 a month for ESPN, that’s a revenue flow of $6 billion. Yet only 20 percent of viewers are estimated to watch sports on a regular basis. If we cautiously estimate that, given a choice, only half of cable subscribers would choose to pay for ESPN, that would be a $3 billion dollar yearly revenue loss for ESPN. 

 

So by his estimate, half of cable subscribers would choose to drop ESPN if they could get around the (then large) fee that'd be charged if there were unbundling.  That's a big assumption, and pre-supposes unbundling will happen. 

 

Furthermore, even if his estimate is correct, more DIRECTV subscribers would be likely to continue to pay as presumably we have a higher percentage of sports fans than any other service. Perhaps much higher. 


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:17 AM

There are 100 million cable subscribers in the United States. If each of them pays $5 a month for ESPN, that’s a revenue flow of $6 billion. Yet only 20 percent of viewers are estimated to watch sports on a regular basis. If we cautiously estimate that, given a choice, only half of cable subscribers would choose to pay for ESPN, that would be a $3 billion dollar yearly revenue loss for ESPN. Some of that loss could be offset by raising the monthly rate for loyal viewers, but the more ESPN charges, the more it risks losing viewers who find the rate too expensive.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:22 AM

I am of them. I never, ever watch ESPN.

Monday night football, that's about it for me too. And only when my team is playing.
I hardly watch sports anymore on any channel.

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