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#1 OFFLINE   icr2002

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:01 PM

Dish annouced an 8 tuner dvr.  Wheres Direct tvs?!
 



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#2 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:05 PM

They did? Do you have a link?

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:14 PM

Dish annouced an 8 tuner dvr.  Wheres Direct tvs?!
 

Actually it's a Hopper with Super Joey, not just a single 8 tuner DVR. Also, the 8 shows recording is fancy math... it's not any 8 recordings; it's 4 PTAT + 2 on the Hopper + 2 on the Joey.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:15 PM

Dish Network announced at CES that they would upgrade the Hopper to record 8 programs at once.  Of course, this is REALLY a 5 tuner DVR, but they take advantage of the trick of putting all 4 broadcast networks on one transponder, and then having their "Primetime Anytime" feature simply record the entire transponder.  So, if you want to record ALL 4 networks, then that, plus the 4 available other tuners, allows you to record 8 programs at once.

 

So, depending upon whether or not you want to record ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC during primetime, this DVR will have the ability to record 5, 6, 7 or 8 programs of interest.  However, outside of primetime, and if you are not interested in recording more than 1 primetime network program, it is a 5 tuner DVR, just like the DirecTV Genie.

 

EDIT:  Didn't realize it actually used 2 different pieces of hardware.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:19 PM

Yeah I figured that's all this is which is to say its nice but it's iffy that it's better than a genie for most people. It could go either way depending on the house.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:23 PM

While DISH offers a combination of goodies that can record as many as 8 (or maybe 9) programs at once to a single hard drive, their Hopper DVR has three satellite tuners in it. This requires two boxes (and a USB attachment for tuning one OTA channel?) as well as imposing a condition that four of the channels are ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC.

DIRECTV's flagship Genie DVR can record up to five programs at once (more or less unconditionally) and that's probably enough for most.


For most, it comes down to what the box can deliver in terms of programming and the user interface, No number of tuners can address that issue.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:34 PM

And ironically it (the Hopper-Super Joey combo) is actually a degradation in recording capacity of one less tuner than a two Hopper installation, since the streaming requirement of up to two programming channels by the SJ to its parent Hopper heavily taxes the bandwidth of their MoCA network such that a max. of only one Hopper and SJ can be used in a customer installation.

 

Any more beyond the Hopper-SJ combo in an install must be regular Joeys 


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:40 PM

Yeah, it's not an 8-tuner DVR by any stretch. "If" you live in a market where PrimeTime AnyTime works, AND you have a Hopper, THEN you can add a Super Joey. This gives you 5 full-time tuners and the ability to record up to 4 broadcast networks at the same time ONLY DURING PRIME TIME. Keep in mind too that no other equipment can be in the system if it's a hopper system.

DISH may finally be getting to the point where they can offer their customers 5 full-time recording tuners to all be shared, but DIRECTV did that in 2010 when they offered whole-home, and then gave you a 5-tuner box in 2012. You can upgrade your DIRECTV system to almost infinite capacity if you don't share programs with more than 10 devices at a time, and if you have a Genie and 5 HR24s on a SWM16, you have a simple system with 15 recording tuners that can all share programming. DISH is nowhere near that.
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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:41 PM

I'm sorry but recording 8 shows at once just sounds ridiculous. I mean what % of consumers would actually take advantage of all that. Not many. 


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:48 PM

1 For the hopper/super joey setup, can the user view and/or set-up recordings, from any receiver?

2. Is it shared in a similar fashion to the D* Genie/Whole Home system is the viewing and access limited?

3. Tuner in each joey means pause/rewind live tv, right?

4. Any specific limitations we should know of?

 

Is there a way to compare specs/features? We should make a list.

 

Does E* plan a wireless video hopper in the future, like the HR44/Wireless Video Bridge/C41W set-up?

 

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:52 PM

I'm sorry but recording 8 shows at once just sounds ridiculous. I mean what % of consumers would actually take advantage of all that. Not many. 

 

In general, a small %. On this forum, a much, MUCH larger % :)

 

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:58 PM

Yeah, it's not an 8-tuner DVR by any stretch. "If" you live in a market where PrimeTime AnyTime works, AND you have a Hopper, THEN you can add a Super Joey. This gives you 5 full-time tuners and the ability to record up to 4 broadcast networks at the same time ONLY DURING PRIME TIME. Keep in mind too that no other equipment can be in the system if it's a hopper system.

DISH may finally be getting to the point where they can offer their customers 5 full-time recording tuners to all be shared, but DIRECTV did that in 2010 when they offered whole-home, and then gave you a 5-tuner box in 2012. You can upgrade your DIRECTV system to almost infinite capacity if you don't share programs with more than 10 devices at a time, and if you have a Genie and 5 HR24s on a SWM16, you have a simple system with 15 recording tuners that can all share programming. DISH is nowhere near that.

 

Impressive....

 

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 05:17 PM

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 05:26 PM

True, there are only two of us in the house, but in more than six years with DVR's only twice have I had to watch an OTA program on my TV because my DVR was busy recording two programs at once.

 

I don't need or want a Hopper or a Genie...


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 05:41 PM

...and then having their "Primetime Anytime" feature simply record the entire transponder.  ..

it's a myth

 

I did post how it's done after analyzing the recordings from real drive.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 05:50 PM

I wouldn't be as concerned with recording 8 shows as I am with available tuners.  I would run into conflicts on a regular basis if I was limited to PTAT, and four open tuners.  There is more math involved, such as a user on Sling and other TVs tuned to live programming.  For me, a Genie, 4 HR24s and 2 H25s leaves me with 13 recordings, 2 live and an open port on the SWM 16.  That is hard to max out in real life.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 07:12 PM

I currently have nine tuners and the only time I have use them all at a time was the first time I use the genie to test them.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:33 PM

I'm ready for two genies in my home. 8 recordings at once plus being able to watch on each tv? I'm in... Lets' go Directv! TWO GENIES :)



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:08 PM

I'm sorry but recording 8 shows at once just sounds ridiculous. I mean what % of consumers would actually take advantage of all that. Not many. 

 

That is so very easy for me to accomplish.  Way to easy actually.  I see that as a great thing, but it needs to be any channel all the time to be useful.  Its the sports that push me past five.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:14 PM

I'm ready for two genies in my home. 8 recordings at once plus being able to watch on each tv? I'm in... Lets' go Directv! TWO GENIES :)


Two Genies would give you 10 tuners.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:22 PM

Yes, but he said 8 record plus both have a live channel..  ;)



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Posted 14 March 2014 - 07:59 AM

So who cares about a Super Joey.  I have a Genie and 2 other DVR's so I can record 9 shows at once and they all would be what I wanted to record, not what dish says needs to be recorded.



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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:35 AM

So who cares about a Super Joey.  I have a Genie and 2 other DVR's so I can record 9 shows at once and they all would be what I wanted to record, not what dish says needs to be recorded.

 

D*'s advertising group thanks you for quoting from one of their dumber ads!  :)  I always like the ads with 'users' that are so dumb you just know if they had a VCR it would still be blinking 12:00 after all these years!!  :)

 

That said.  From the topic of this discussion, and totally from a UI perspective, D* fell way behind the day the first Hopper shipped.  Today's HDGUI on D* is just a slightly gussied up version of the old school text version they had for many years.  The fact that they did it this way is only superseded by how long it took them to get even that done.  I had to LOL so many times when the usual fanbois brayed about how wonderful the new D* HDGUI was, and then when the rest of us got to see it and how it negatively affected so many HRs at the time, we knew it was really one of the biggest wastes of programming talent in history!

 

For those that need tons of tuners D* is well ahead of Dish, that isn't even an argument as far as I can see.

 

But for the vast majority, a single Genie with some Minis or a single Hopper with some Joeys would more than fill the bill.  The addition of the Super Joey is a nice step and is much nicer in implementation than the 2 Hopper setup.  So where the rubber meets the road it is just 2 solutions to a single problem, with both solutions more than capable enough for almost all of both D* and E* customers.

 

Only those power users might see it differently, and for them it IS a big deal.


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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:41 AM

Yeah, it's not an 8-tuner DVR by any stretch. "If" you live in a market where PrimeTime AnyTime works, AND you have a Hopper, THEN you can add a Super Joey. This gives you 5 full-time tuners and the ability to record up to 4 broadcast networks at the same time ONLY DURING PRIME TIME.

 

Not so. Recording 4 shows on one tuner has been 24/7 for a while now. BTW, the OTA tuner adds a tuner.



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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:55 AM

Dish annouced an 8 tuner dvr.  Wheres Direct tvs?!
 

Yeah, about that........read a little deeper.....8 tuners my ***






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