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#1 OFFLINE   matty8199

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 04:26 PM

so, i had my genie installed yesterday (new build home) and the tech replaced my wall plate connectors with high-frequency ones...but he used just regular barrels so the wire is just hanging from the wall rather than sitting in the keystone plate.  i went to lowes and picked up a 5-pack of high-frequency keystone connectors...but then i second guessed myself and i'm debating whether or not i should just put the original connectors back in.  it's a new home and i had it pre-wired for satellite, so i'm hoping they were already acceptable...

 

so far, i have the genie and HR24 using the connectors he put in, one mini on one of the new lowes connectors, and one mini on the original connector.  everything seems to be working as it should...is there anything specifically that would go haywire if the original connectors aren't acceptable?



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 04:28 PM

I replaced all of my wall plates with ones from a big box store with the connectors that they came with and haven't had any problems.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 04:43 PM

is there anything specifically that would go haywire if the original connectors aren't acceptable?

 

NO.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 04:58 PM

NO.

 

thanks for the detailed answer...lol.

 

so basically i can go back to the connectors that were already there and i should be ok?



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 04:59 PM

YESSSS !

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:08 PM

YESSSS !

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I wish DirecTV Sups would not be such hard headed and understand this simple concept


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:37 PM

I wish DirecTV Sups would not be such hard headed and understand this simple concept

Most of them only know what they have been told by someone else so if its not orange they think its going to "burn out" or something crazy.  



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:47 PM

Most of them only know what they have been told by someone else so if its not orange they think its going to "burn out" or something crazy.


I've seen barrels fail many times in past with Dish equipment but very rarely with DTV, not sure reason for difference.

But agreed many of the policies are based on what's been told to them not because they understand the whys. DTV changing to the unique orange color away from Blue is strictly to be different than other companies so DTV QC techs can verify barrels were changed by a DTV tech and known to meet spec vs a possible 3rd party blue barrel still being there that may or may not (but almost definitely does) meet specs.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:53 PM

Most of them only know what they have been told by someone else so if its not orange they think its going to "burn out" or something crazy.  

I can help but laugh every time I hear that....


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:34 PM

I've seen barrels fail many times in past with Dish equipment but very rarely with DTV, not sure reason for difference.

 

 

Fail as in "was working and quit", or fail as in "never working properly even when brand new"? It is hard to imagine how a barrel could fail, unless it was damaged or had a manufacturing defect so it couldn't capture the center conductor of the coax properly.


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:38 PM

Fail as in "was working and quit", or fail as in "never working properly even when brand new"? It is hard to imagine how a barrel could fail, unless it was damaged or had a manufacturing defect so it couldn't capture the center conductor of the coax properly.


"Was working and quit" at least 10 service calls where that was case for Dish, can't think of one like that for DTV and I've done DTV twice as long as Dish.


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:45 PM

And all they replaced was the barrel connectors?  That doesnt really make much sense to be honest...



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 03:12 AM

so, i had my genie installed yesterday (new build home) and the tech replaced my wall plate connectors with high-frequency ones...but he used just regular barrels so the wire is just hanging from the wall rather than sitting in the keystone plate. 

 

For your reading pleasures... Is it better to use barrels on your wall plates or just run the cable straight through? (Solid Signal Blog)

 

Insightful comments from fellow staff member VOS are also included.  :grin:  :)


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 08:30 AM

For your reading pleasures... Is it better to use barrels on your wall plates or just run the cable straight through? (Solid Signal Blog)

Insightful comments from fellow staff member VOS are also included. :grin: :)

VOS mentions on that thread that there is stress on the cable if the barrel is not used. I really think is the other way around, there can be more stress with the barrel specially if is behind a furniture as there had to be more space to compensate for the barrel and connector


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 08:54 AM

VOS mentions..

You may want to reread the article.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:02 PM

Most of them only know what they have been told by someone else so if its not orange they think its going to "burn out" or something crazy.

Most of them know not to do what they've been back-charged for doing previously.

Both ampacity and frequency can be issues in some circumstances.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

VOS's argument of loss as a function of the length of the barrel is not sound. The issues are with "insertion loss" and "return loss" those have more to do with impedance matching, reflection and scattering as opposed to voltage drop.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:36 PM

Most of them know not to do what they've been back-charged for doing previously.

 

The supervisors (who are the people to whom peds48 and west9999 are referring) are the people who are actually initiating the back-charging.



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 03:09 PM

VOS mentions on that thread that there is stress on the cable if the barrel is not used. I really think is the other way around, there can be more stress with the barrel specially if is behind a furniture as there had to be more space to compensate for the barrel and connector


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That's easily fixed with a right angle connector on the barrel, then you don't have to worry about the cable being stressed/damaged. Hopefully no one will push furniture against it hard enough to break the barrel or 90* connector.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 03:45 PM

VOS's argument of loss as a function of the length of the barrel is not sound. The issues are with "insertion loss" and "return loss" those have more to do with impedance matching, reflection and scattering as opposed to voltage drop.

adding 2 cents:

 

and physically the two cuts of polypropylene around central wire will create two air gaps - here is the catch: impedance changed four times there,

so it will creat a loss and reflections on sat signals;perhaps that .5 dB at each connection

 

while the barrel itself could show 1/10 loss in lab tests, when that expensive connectors made precisely to eliminate/reduce measurement's error






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