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#26 OFFLINE   TomCat

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:03 PM

...Lester take the cup for stupidity...

 

I didn't see him as stupid at all. I thought his framing of his brother was pretty brilliantly executed, and his sending his 2nd wife to the slaughter was dark and despicable, but still a brilliant stab at self-preservation. He even disposed of the first wife's body pretty cleverly.

 

Giving in to your base instincts and smacking your wife with a hammer is not stupid, just not a good idea and not well thought out. But that is a crime of passion, a loss of control, which has little to do with how stupid one might be. There are lots of smart folks who lose control, and lots of stupid folks who never do.

 

We evolved from our less-endowed predecessors with tiny, undeveloped brains, which is why the construction of our current brains is a reptile brain connected to the spinal cord, with a higher-functioning brain wrapped around that. Our lizard brain is the only thing that connects directly to what our actions will be. Our higher brain is supposed to be in control by virtue of it keeping the lizard brain in line, but the higher brain is not connected directly to how we react physically or even emotionally; it hopefully keeps the lizard brain in line in a sort of fly-by-wire method, but if it loses control of that it has no capacity to stop whatever the lizard brain has in mind.

 

That is why I recommend against Ambien, because Ambien puts your higher brain to sleep. But if your lizard brain wakes up early and your higher brain doesn't, all bets are off in what you might do, because now you are thinking like a reptile with no one to tell you not to. There are scores of horror stories on the internet of folks who took Ambien and ended up peeing in intersections in their underwear, driving the wrong way on a freeway at 110 MPH, and yes, even smacking their spouse with a hammer.

 

Ask Patrick Kennedy, or a number of other high-placed folks who are on record as having problems with acting out after taking Ambien. I only know this because I researched it due to the fact that I lived it once upon a time, and I was lucky that my reptile brain did not do stupider stuff than it did, because when something like this happens, you are still responsible for the consequences. I skated, but just barely, and it was a hard lesson well-learned which affects me to this day.

Under the right circumstances, anyone is capable of anything. So a crime of passion is just that, and has different legal consequences than a planned crime, and little to do with any level of stupidity.

 

He also made some bad choices in Las Vegas, which if he had not, he would have got away scott free. But even non-stupid people can make bad choices. Of course they often don't have as dire of consequences as the choices Lester made.

 

No, Lester was actually pretty intelligent. But intelligence usually doesn't help matters all that much when you are panicked and running from the law, and Lester had been doing that for almost all of the series, other than the year break in the middle where it looked like he had pulled this off.

 

If Lester had just been stupid, it would have been a stupid show about a stupid guy doing stupid things. Instead, it was about an intelligent guy giving in to pressure, making bad decisions based on delusions of grandeur, and running for his life from the law and the mob and a hit man using whatever wiles he could muster up, which is exactly why the show was also not stupid.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:40 PM

I guess what I meant to say is that when Lester saw Malvo at the bar, he should have taken the first flight out from out of Vegas.
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Posted 19 June 2014 - 12:49 PM

Very pleased with this season. I only wish, the stories would continue with another season or more


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 04:16 PM

Very pleased with this season. I only wish, the stories would continue with another season or more

 

A sort of American Horror Story like -- another mass murder scenario in another locale.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 07:32 PM

OK, I have a question for everyone. I guess I missed this, but what was Malvo's riddle that Gus solved regarding shades of green? It apparently refers to something Malvo said to Gus during one of their few brief encounters.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:39 PM

OK, I have a question for everyone. I guess I missed this, but what was Malvo's riddle that Gus solved regarding shades of green? It apparently refers to something Malvo said to Gus during one of their few brief encounters.

Not sure if this is a spoiler but...
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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:05 PM

Not sure if this is a spoiler but...

Spoiler

 

Thanks. We had the same question as Tom and I couldn't figure it out either.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:25 AM

What a great answer. You have increased my enjoyment of this story, and I thank you very much for that.

 

When a story is this good, I try extra hard to pay attention. But then the phone rings, spouse drops a glass, etc. I remember what Malvo said now, but never heard the interchange between Gus and Molly (aren't those three adorable watching Deal or No Deal?) Binge watching probably would have helped, but this was one of very few appointment television "must-see" shows, and I had to watch it the night it aired, unable to save them up for that.

 

As I have remarked in the past about True Detective and Halt and Catch Fire, this show could be worthy of multiple viewings.

 

One reviewer made an interesting observation. Just like Rust Cohle and Marty Hart embodied personalities that their names were each physically resonant with, so does Molly Solverson, who "solves" crimes no one else can.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 01:53 AM

Overall, I enjoyed this very much.  Saved the finale and rewatched.  Wish I still had the old eps to refer to...   Probably worthy of DVD or BD purchase.

 

I thought that the "Second Mrs. Nygaard" probably had the most accurate, if not the most entertaining version of the dialect. She was great.

 

They went a little over the top with the raining fish part that finalized all the plagues (losing his son) for the Oliver Platt character.  (Wonder how Malvo managed to arrange for that to happen.  Maybe some philosophical reference...)

 

Also, I can't recall if they showed how Lester got back into his guarded hospital room after setting up the frame for his brother.  I must've missed something.

 

Anyway, great show.  Wouldn't mind seeing more.



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:39 PM

One of the things I loved about the show (and also the movie) was the attention to detail when it comes to little things like sound effects and background noises. Things like the engine rumble of the various types of automobiles, the crunch of the tires on the snow, the chime sound when a car door is left open, the crackle of police radios and scanners, etc. All those types of things just sounded so realistic which is not always the case with poorly made TV shows.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 07:03 PM

Also, I can't recall if they showed how Lester got back into his guarded hospital room after setting up the frame for his brother.  I must've missed something.

 

They never showed us how he got back in. As the episode ended, they just cut to a shot of him back in his room.... in the bed with a smirk on his face. How he got past the guard may have wound up on the cutting room floor.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:09 AM

Great show but I'm very disappointed with the finale.

 

While on Earth Lester returned to his home knowing that he is a suspect anyway?

 

The instinct should tell him only one word, RUN.

 



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Posted 23 June 2014 - 12:33 PM

Great show but I'm very disappointed with the finale.

 

While on Earth Lester returned to his home knowing that he is a suspect anyway?

 

The instinct should tell him only one word, RUN.

I think it was because he didn't get the memo that their was a new chief of Police in town. LOL


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 12:46 PM

Great show but I'm very disappointed with the finale.

 

While on Earth Lester returned to his home knowing that he is a suspect anyway?

 

The instinct should tell him only one word, RUN.

On the snowmobile? He was in Montana, away from his city.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 07:43 AM

On the snowmobile? He was in Montana, away from his city.

He could perfectly drive from his house, why use snowmobile?

 

Even with snowmobile, he was supposed to drive from home, not to home.



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 08:07 AM

I enjoyed reading Kate Phillips' episode recaps in The New York Times, especially for the hidden symbolism found in some of the episodes:

 

http://artsbeat.blog.../watching-fargo


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 07:14 PM

They went a little over the top with the raining fish part that finalized all the plagues (losing his son) for the Oliver Platt character. (Wonder how Malvo managed to arrange for that to happen. Maybe some philosophical reference...)

There was a scene in a later episode with a news report in the background where they were talking about a weather event (tornado? waterspout?) that lifted water and fish out of a local lake. I can't remember the specidfics.

Edit: an actual phenomenon, apparently.
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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:30 AM

Great show but I'm very disappointed with the finale.
 
While on Earth Lester returned to his home knowing that he is a suspect anyway?
 
The instinct should tell him only one word, RUN.


I think he needed his passport to RUN

edit: come to think of it, their passports were at his office...maybe his office key was at home.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 02:33 PM

I started watching it now that the season is over and there will be a season 2.  I got 3 episodes in and lost interest, deleted all episodes and kill my series link.   Tooooooooooooooooo Sloooooooooowwwwwww of a show.  I fell asleep during the first 2 episodes.


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 11:55 PM

You are somewhat in the minority; most folks had no trouble with the pace.

 

But this does happen, even with great shows. I tried to watch The Sopranos a couple of times and thought it was too slow, I got bored, and stopped watching. Then I was stuck in a hotel room and saw the ep where Carmella brings her neighbor the baked ziti, and I was hooked. The same thing happened with Northern Exposure. I just didn't get it. And then I did, and it was one of the best shows of the 90's. The connection there is David Chase, and I guess I found his pace too slow for a show where you don't yet know the characters. It seems that once you know them, the pace is just fine.


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 11:58 PM

...They went a little over the top with the raining fish part that finalized all the plagues...

 

After Sharknado, it seems pretty normal.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:11 AM

Yeah, Sharknado!  (I actually enjoyed that.)

 

Had no problem coming in on the 4th or 5th season of Sopranos, as I'd just got my first HDTV connected and was immediately drawn in and immersed.  I was fortunate in that they re-ran the entire series right after and I got to see them all from the beginning.

 

However, that last season they could've just flushed, as far as I'm concerned.  Talk about slow and boring...



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 10:41 AM

I started watching it now that the season is over and there will be a season 2.  I got 3 episodes in and lost interest, deleted all episodes and kill my series link.   Tooooooooooooooooo Sloooooooooowwwwwww of a show.  I fell asleep during the first 2 episodes.

 

My wife would agree with you.  I liked it.  She didn't.  I watched it.  She didn't.  I can't eat cauliflower, she loves the stuff.  

 

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 05:51 PM

You are somewhat in the minority; most folks had no trouble with the pace.

But this does happen, even with great shows. I tried to watch The Sopranos a couple of times and thought it was too slow, I got bored, and stopped watching. Then I was stuck in a hotel room and saw the ep where Carmella brings her neighbor the baked ziti, and I was hooked. The same thing happened with Northern Exposure. I just didn't get it. And then I did, and it was one of the best shows of the 90's. The connection there is David Chase, and I guess I found his pace too slow for a show where you don't yet know the characters. It seems that once you know them, the pace is just fine.


Funny thing with Chase is supposedly at least earlier in his career he felt doing tv was a failure, doing movies was what he'd do if he was successful. But his shows a lot of times are like an 80 hour movie.

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 08:19 AM

You are somewhat in the minority; most folks had no trouble with the pace.

 

 

 

I really don't care if I'm in the minority or the majority.  I didn't like it, period.  Maybe if it moved faster than a snail it would be entertaining to me.


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