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#21 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:30 AM

Where DISH (and eventually DirecTV) will "win" is with exclusive content. A basic package that includes locals and at least the top channels from each provider cannot be replicated via Amazon or Netflix. While some content is available later, live or close to live content is missing.

Perhaps the young people will search dozens of sources to find what they are looking for ... or watch illegal streams if no paid stream can be found. DISH will bring the benefit of having one source for content - a legal source (no rationalization or debate over "personal use" needed). And as the prices of all the pieces keep going up (the cost of Amazon Prime and Netflix increasing) DISH's packages will be competitive.

Not having PayTV service is not a long term solution. Those that provide content are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts ... they want money. Expect more content behind paywalls or susbcriptions.
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Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:28 PM

If you look at the trend for young people, they don't have pay TV service.  They have high-speed Internet instead.  Dish's streaming package is an attempt to tap into that market.  But if the issue is not availability but simply that young people don't like paying high fees, and the alternatives are Amazon Prime and Netflix, Dish is going to have to keep their packages small and prices low to be competitive.  I know streaming doesn't work for everyone.

 

Where DISH (and eventually DirecTV) will "win" is with exclusive content. A basic package that includes locals and at least the top channels from each provider cannot be replicated via Amazon or Netflix. While some content is available later, live or close to live content is missing.

Perhaps the young people will search dozens of sources to find what they are looking for ... or watch illegal streams if no paid stream can be found. DISH will bring the benefit of having one source for content - a legal source (no rationalization or debate over "personal use" needed). And as the prices of all the pieces keep going up (the cost of Amazon Prime and Netflix increasing) DISH's packages will be competitive.

Not having PayTV service is not a long term solution. Those that provide content are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts ... they want money. Expect more content behind paywalls or susbcriptions.

 

Buried in the story underlying the thread Dish Is Partnering With This Startup To Make Cellphone Internet 1,000 Times Faster Than 4G is Charlie Ergen & Company's effort to capture the best of both worlds. Your cellphone doesn't need a faster connection for phone calls. What the headlines keep twisting is what it's all about. Think about how significant the headline Dish Is Partnering With This Startup To Make Cellphone Wireless Mobile and Local Internet 1,000 Times Faster Than 4G.  Of course, such a system would allow you to piggyback phone service.

 

Consider the benefits of having this capability along with your satellite TV service as described in a February Bloomberg article I linked in the February thread “This is as big a change to wireless as tubes-to-transistor was to electronics” (emphasis added):

 

Perlman tried his very best to prove the critics wrong today by unveiling a commercialized version of his wireless innovation, now known as pCell or personal cell technology. Perlman bills the wireless system as basically the successor to LTE, the current high-speed wireless technology. In demonstrations at his laboratory, Perlman showed off iPhones, Surface tablets, and TVs streaming massive files—the 4K UltraHD version of House of Cards from Netflix, for example—via his own wireless networking equipment. The demonstration proved not only that the high-speed wireless technology worked but also that it would work with existing devices that support LTE.

 

...The problem Perlman is trying to solve revolves around how current wireless networks are built. Companies like AT&T and Verizon will put up a cell tower that sends out a signal, which must then be shared by any people in range. The idea is to have the signals overlap at the edges of their range like a series of circles nudging up against each other. The arrangement must be done very artfully because the circles cause interference if they’re too close. As a result, there are spots in cities like New York, Chicago, and San Francisco where you often have tons of people in the same cell all placing calls and pulling down data to their devices at the same time, and their connections slow because they’re all sharing the bandwidth in that given area. The congestion issue is expected to get worse and worse as people keeping adding wireless devices and downloading larger and larger media files.

 

Under Perlman’s pCell system, interference from the cells is not an issue. Instead of blasting out a dumb signal across a given area, Perlman and his team of researchers have developed a smart transmission system. Their networking equipment locates a device like a smartphone and uses complex mathematical operations to create a unique signal—hence the personal cell idea—just for that device. The upshot of this is that you can place the pCell transmitters anywhere and not worry about their signals bleeding into each other. And instead of sharing a signal, each person gets to tap into close to the full capacity of the transmitter. “We believe this is the largest increase in capacity in the history of wireless technology,” says Perlman. “It’s like the wireless equivalent of fiber-optic cables.”

 

Like all new systems there are problems to be solved. The first one was for Perlman to find the right partner and he and Ergen have found each other. Not only does Ergen bring money, he also brings bandwidth, a lot of it, along with satellite technology. I could see a day when the uplink from your TV or whatever device to order streaming video would be via pCell wireless technology but downlink live TV (think sporting events in particular) could be via satellite in your home or business to avoid extremely high traffic volumes or wireless if you're mobile.


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:51 AM

Local cable/ISP (Atlantic Broadband) is offering Tivo's for their STB with Netflix capability included in the Tivo (separate Netflix subscription required). Seems like a more sensible approach than every cable/ISP trying to introduce their own Netflix-like service. While the ISP has not indicated this, adding Amazon and Hulu would seem like a logical extension.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:39 AM

Not having PayTV service is not a long term solution. Those that provide content are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts ... they want money. Expect more content behind paywalls or susbcriptions.

 

I grew up in a house without PayTV service.  The broadcast model worked for many years, and it may see a resurgence as more and more people "cut the cord" and start using antennas again.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:44 PM

I grew up in a house without PayTV service.  The broadcast model worked for many years, and it may see a resurgence as more and more people "cut the cord" and start using antennas again.


If one is willing to give up the content then leaving PayTV is possible ... but it is not as simple as saying "we did it before, we can do it again". In the good old days content was either on the major broadcast stations or not available at all. Early cable stations thrived on bringing missing content to people. And over time leached content away from broadcast.

The second challenge is in receiving a usable broadcast. In the good old days we lived with some static on our analog feeds but overall a decent picture. Receiving today's digital broadcasts is not as easy. Static is dropouts ... and we are spoiled by PQ. We're not going back.
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:06 PM

It is hard to leave a pay TV service. Network TV unlike 20 years ago has far to many reality shows, talk shows, court shows, comedies that never compare to what was on
20 or more years ago.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:00 AM

If one is willing to give up the content then leaving PayTV is possible ... but it is not as simple as saying "we did it before, we can do it again". In the good old days content was either on the major broadcast stations or not available at all. Early cable stations thrived on bringing missing content to people. And over time leached content away from broadcast.

The second challenge is in receiving a usable broadcast. In the good old days we lived with some static on our analog feeds but overall a decent picture. Receiving today's digital broadcasts is not as easy. Static is dropouts ... and we are spoiled by PQ. We're not going back.

I gave up some content when I cancelled Dish.  But far less than I thought I would.  I record 2 shows a week, and I'm having trouble keeping up.  My twice-weekly visits to the library and a large reserve queue mean I'm getting a ton of movies with 1-2 week borrowing windows.  Sports is perhaps the biggest loss, but CBS just picked up half the NFL Network season, and ESPN3 has quite a lot of what I want to see.

 

I hear the "digital reception is not easy" argument a lot, but my experience has been the opposite.  Getting a good-looking analog signal was very difficult.  Snow, noise and static were bearable but pervasive.  However, with the digital revolution, I've been getting perfect, drop-out free reception for years.  I have relatives who spent years struggling with reception using junky WalMart indoor antennas who now get all their stations perfectly.

 

Mostly what I hear is chicken-and-egg type arguments: the programming is on cable, so you have to get cable to get the programming.  But the truth is, the programming is where the viewers are, and there will reach a point where cord-cutters will mean that there simply aren't enough viewers on cable for those providers to outbid the broadcast networks.  That's what I'm hoping for: a resurgence in broadcast television.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:05 AM

It is hard to leave a pay TV service. Network TV unlike 20 years ago has far to many reality shows, talk shows, court shows, comedies that never compare to what was on
20 or more years ago.

The truth is, there weren't that many good comedies 20 years ago.  We remember the few that survived and made it, but there were a ton of flops and "Alf"-type shows.  In 20 years, people will be asking why there aren't more shows like "How I Met Your Mother" and "Modern Family."



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:59 AM

Update: Dish Network to start streaming video service by early 2015
 
Dish Network plans to launch a streaming TV video service of shows by Disney and other programmers by early 2015, trying to capture some of the over-the-top video business currently going to Netflix and Amazon....
 
 
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Joe Clayton, CEO of Dish Network Corp., and Charlie Ergen, chairman
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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:51 AM

Update: Dish aims to mollify cord cutters with mysterious new Internet-TV service

(Digitaltrends.com) - This week, Dish Network revealed that its upcoming over-the-top (OTT) live-TV service – which has remained enigmatic up to this point – is being developed for an audience that most pay-TV operators are loathe to placate: “Cord cutters, cord nevers and what we call cord haters,” said Dish’s GM of Interactive and Advanced TV, Adam Lowy.

Bernstein Research analyst Todd Juenger was tasked with hypothesizing which channels Dish is likely to include in its OTT service, as well as how much each network would contribute to the overall subscription cost....

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 08:01 AM

Thing is.... I already get broadcast for free in very clear HD, and I don't need/want ESPN. For me, the package as listed above would just be a waste of $15, and the stuff available on all the other channels.... I can mostly get on Netflix or Hulu, albeit a season or 2 later in the case of Netflix.

 

I don't think a cord cutter is going to smack down $30 (I am presuming Dish wants to make a profit off of the hypothetical list of $22 worth of channels) for an online TV service.

 

The only advantage I can see in all this is for those who travel a lot, and want TV service on the go.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 08:46 AM

As someone who's preparing to call and cut the cord this week now that Game of Thrones is done...this is interesting, but that hypothetical list is worthless to me. 


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 09:32 AM

It appears that Dish does not understand why folks cut the cord. And they're too late.



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 12:24 PM

Let me see.  One of the primary reasons people disconnect from PayTv is the "Sports Tax", a direct subsidy from the non-sports fan to the sports fan.

 

And Dish thinks that making people pay the "Sports Tax" will draw subscribers to its new offering?


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 12:26 PM

Some people cut the cord because they can't afford to pay it.  You can't fix that, because the economy is what it is right now.

 

Other people are cord-cutting because they think they can get the content cheaper elsewhere... and some of it they can... for now... but that's a moving target that over time will cease to be as cheap by comparison.  Enough people cut cords one of two things happens... Content goes away, or other options prices rise.  Either way we will be having this discussion over and over for the rest of our lives... only one day the "cord cutter" movement will become a "cord grabber" movement because people will want to get away from the "greedy" cord-cut options and they will want their cord to save money!  It all cycles around.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 12:35 PM

Aereo costs $8 and provides subchannels. Of course, Aereo still has to win their Supreme Court case about copyright infringement. If I had a chance to choose my channels:

 

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Big10 Network

ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU

All channels in the BlockBuster Pack (EPIX, the Plex moves, et. al., EPIX DriveIn)

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HDNet Movies

AMC

 

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 01:13 PM

I should pay less because I don't want the kids, sports and movie channels.  My wife and I mainly want the news and some of the mainstream channels (i.e. A&E, Bravo, CNN, Al Jazeera, Lifetime, BBC America, MTV, etc.).


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:01 PM

If I could pick from those above, my bill would be around $5/mo.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:14 PM

Bernstein Research analyst Todd Juenger was tasked with hypothesizing which channels Dish is likely to include in its OTT service, as well as how much each network would contribute to the overall subscription cost....


So his guess ... add one's own grain of salt. ESPN for $7.49 without requiring other channels be carried? I don't think so.

My guess ... packages similar to what one sees via satellite. Perhaps a locals/welcome package will be available (a certainty if Aereo wins). But expect something similar to AT120, etc. At about the same price.
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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:38 PM

Let me see.  One of the primary reasons people disconnect from PayTv is the "Sports Tax", a direct subsidy from the non-sports fan to the sports fan.

 

And Dish thinks that making people pay the "Sports Tax" will draw subscribers to its new offering?

 

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