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AT&T Agrees to Purchase DirecTV (Was: ATT looking to buy Direct TV)


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#801 OFFLINE   Drucifer

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:56 PM

Garrison? I used to live in Brewster (eastern Putnam) and my father was born in Garrison (when it still had farms).

 

I believe our ex-governor Pataki was from Garrison.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 03:47 AM

Since they'll be selling this service without Directv for those customers who aren't interested in TV or already have another provider, they will need to have a solution for their LTE deployment that doesn't involve Directv hardware.

That would be me, plus there would have to be a self-install option or at least whatever they do would have to be outside only.  No techs allowed in my house.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 06:57 AM

Since they'll be selling this service without Directv for those customers who aren't interested in TV or already have another provider, they will need to have a solution for their LTE deployment that doesn't involve Directv hardware.
 
I think building something into the LNB would be pretty slick though, and make it take only a few minutes longer to install than it takes to install Directv alone now. The installers would just have to verify good LTE signal (sort of a LTE "IV") and get it off coax to the customer's other devices. There's no reason the HR44 couldn't act as an AP, just needs the software. Those customers who want to use their own can connect a wireless router to a DECA.


True...for non-DirecTV installs the same basic setup would work, just run the LTE signal alone on the coax to a DECA-style adapter to get onto the customer's LAN.

The problem with using the HR44 as an access point is location...DVRs are rarely in an optimal position for good wireless coverage throughout the home. That's why I think the WVB is a better option. In a non-DirecTV install they could either bypass the router built into the LTE receiver and use the customer's or make that the standard system...not have a router built into the LTE modem at all use something like the Actiontec routers Verizon uses that have MOCA built-in (obviously at the DirecTV frequency band instead of standard MOCA frequencies).

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 07:00 AM

That would be me, plus there would have to be a self-install option or at least whatever they do would have to be outside only.  No techs allowed in my house.


It would be no more or less involved than a straight DirecTV install. Install an outdoor antenna, run some cable to point inside and provide a router. The customer could take it from there.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 07:52 AM

I would prefer wireless to wired if I could get decent speeds and reliability with no caps.

No cap wireless service is quite a fantasy.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 07:54 AM

It would be no more or less involved than a straight DirecTV install. Install an outdoor antenna, run some cable to point inside and provide a router. The customer could take it from there.

I suspect it might be one of those high power transceiver setups that require a gubmint issued license to install.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:04 AM

That's true, and that's actually why AT&T says in their write that owning Directv will benefit them. Bundling would allow them to sell those people TV services (delivered via Directv, not cellular, obviously) and the increased profit per customer helps the ROI (not of 8 farmhouses per tower, but most rural areas aren't quite that sparse)

I live in an area that is <=.5 homes/acre (Residential/Agricultural zone) that is 3 blocks outside the city limits and AT&T service vanishes in a good wind. Verizon is three bars and Sprint is one bar. My guests with AT&T use my VOIP phone.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:35 AM

No cap wireless service is quite a fantasy.

Not really.  see the "Un-carrier" provider who is disrupting this market 


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:52 AM

I suspect it might be one of those high power transceiver setups that require a gubmint issued license to install.


HIGHLY unlikely. LTE requires very little power (typically in the 200 to 300 mW range). Even if they went for class 1 power level, the maximum output is 2 watts, which doesn't require a license.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:58 AM

It would be no more or less involved than a straight DirecTV install. Install an outdoor antenna, run some cable to point inside and provide a router. The customer could take it from there.

 

 

I suspect it might be one of those high power transceiver setups that require a gubmint issued license to install.

They would either have to do everything outside so that I could extend it inside or allow a complete self-install like the early Dish systems or current cell-phone repeaters.

 

Despite what their website said, I worked out an arrangement with a Starband dealer to install my own 2-way satellite ISP system.  I did the work, got it aligned, powered up and acquired a good signal.  Once done, I called the dealer who in turn called the NOC and got it provisioned and activated.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:30 AM

The problem with using the HR44 as an access point is location...DVRs are rarely in an optimal position for good wireless coverage throughout the home. That's why I think the WVB is a better option. In a non-DirecTV install they could either bypass the router built into the LTE receiver and use the customer's or make that the standard system...not have a router built into the LTE modem at all use something like the Actiontec routers Verizon uses that have MOCA built-in (obviously at the DirecTV frequency band instead of standard MOCA frequencies).

 

I think "rarely" is a bit strong. You need two things for good wifi coverage, enough transmit power and good receive antennas. Transmit power isn't a problem in rural markets, just crank it up - there are no neighbors. I don't know how good the HR44's built in antenna is, if they'd provided an external connector for it like receivers used to for the RF remote that would have been helpful I guess.

 

At any rate, a good quality wireless router will provide coverage for all but the largest homes from any corner of that home. I have my router in the basement, about 5' from a corner about 2' off the floor, and it provides excellent coverage throughout my house and even outside (except on the side it is on, since it doesn't transmit through 6' of earth very well!)

 

Since the HR44 can be an access point with the appropriate software, might as well take advantage of it where possible, and use a separate router elsewhere.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:11 AM

Not really.  see the "Un-carrier" provider who is disrupting this market

Most of the existing carriers started with un-like services and they clamped down to what we have today.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:13 AM

HIGHLY unlikely. LTE requires very little power (typically in the 200 to 300 mW range). Even if they went for class 1 power level, the maximum output is 2 watts, which doesn't require a license.

What requires a license depends on the frequency. I was thinking more along the lines of wiring an outdoor module that, in many jurisdictions including my own, would require a unique low energy wiring license.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:25 AM

AT&T came to my front door Wednesday to inform me that I now have fiber optics rant to the pole in my yard. I talked with them for a few minutes to see if they knew anything more than we do about the possible take over of DirecTV and they did not.

 

They then put the hard sell on me for their bundled service. I pay about $53 a month for home phone, $73 for Comcast internet service and almost $160 for DirecTV. They offered me unlimited nationwide home phone service, 18 mbit internet service and 300 channel 720p service of their u-verse TV system for $147 per month. 1080i service is an additional fee and I do not remember what that was per month. Since then I have seen their techs parked in front of 3 houses on my side of the street ( no fiber optics on the other side of the street ).

If my son was not such a hard head I would try it. They have a 30 day guarantee that if you do not like it they will come take it out and cost you nothing. My son still will not try it. He is physically handicapped and he pays for the cable internet ( I tried to drop that a few years ago for a cheaper service ) and I try to give him what he wants if I can do that.

I am hoping there will be better bundling with the DirecTV service if this goes thru. All they offered me was a little bit cheaper phone service and $5 off of DirecTV prices.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 06:20 AM

Update: DirecTV and AT&T Make Case to Congress
 
(The New York Times) - WASHINGTON — AT&T and DirecTV told members of Congress on Tuesday that their proposed $48.5 billion merger would be so good for competition that it would do something that has rarely, if ever, happened: pressure cable companies to lower prices.
 
“Econometric analysis confirms that by making us more competitive, the merger will put downward pricing pressure on cable products — cable bundles, cable video and cable broadband,” Randall Stephenson, chief executive of AT&T, told antitrust subcommittees in both the House and Senate....
 
 
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Posted 25 June 2014 - 06:34 AM

What requires a license depends on the frequency. I was thinking more along the lines of wiring an outdoor module that, in many jurisdictions including my own, would require a unique low energy wiring license.


Yes, and LTE frequencies don't require licenses. Sure, wiring anything outdoors may be subject to local code requirements. Installing a satellite dish is subject to electrical code requirements but in most jurisdictions does not require a permit. Installing an LTE antenna is no different. The same would apply to the cellular technology that Dish is about to field trial in the San Francisco Bay Area. The licensing and permit requirements would certainly be no worse that what is required for 2 way satellite broadband.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 06:36 AM

“Econometric analysis confirms that by making us more competitive, the merger will put downward pricing pressure on cable products — cable bundles, cable video and cable broadband,” Randall Stephenson, chief executive of AT&T, told antitrust subcommittees in both the House and Senate....[/size]


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:46 AM

“Econometric analysis confirms that by making us more competitive, the merger will put downward pricing pressure on cable products — cable bundles, cable video and cable broadband,” Randall Stephenson, chief executive of AT&T, told antitrust subcommittees in both the House and Senate....
 

:rotfl: Who says CEOs don't have a sense of humor?

 

Congress will believe it.  Say one thing and do another - right up their alley.

 

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 09:13 AM

What he's saying there is not at all wrong, I don't know why you guys find it so humorous.

 

Today Directv can't bundle, because they only deliver TV service. AT&T can't bundle very effectively, because they only have TV service in a small area. Combining the two will improve their ability to bundle, and therefore be more competitive with cable providers who have been very effective in winning customers via bundling.

 

I'm sure there were a lot of half truths (at best) during the hearing, but this wasn't one of them.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:16 AM

Allowing DirecTV plus AT&T to compete more effectively together than they can separately is not the same as exerting a downward pressure on prices generally. For one thing, they can only do a full triple play bundle to those households where AT&T can provide broadband. Even if they extend wireless broadband it won't cover the entire country, and it remains to be seen if wireless broadband can be delivered at a speed and a cost that is competitive with the alternatives. In a few specific cases the statement might be true, but on a national basis it won't move prices one penny.

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