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#51 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 06:54 PM

For most shows, 'order' of production doesn't matter.


I'd suggest yes and no. Take friends. One of the best comedies ever in terms if how try approached the writing. And there have been others in the past as well that are similar. Mash and cheers or example. If you watch it out of order they have funny episodes and any one can usually stand on its own quite easily.

However watch them in order and many jokes get even better and story lines have even more meaning because of past influences from episodes already seen.

That's the best approach for most shows
IMHO because then you can Handel missing episodes and not worrying about being so lost you don't bother coming back.

I like full seasons story arches to like the following and 24. But those are much easier with DVRs to be sure.
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 04:18 AM

I'd suggest yes and no. Take friends. One of the best comedies ever in terms if how try approached the writing. And there have been others in the past as well that are similar. Mash and cheers or example. If you watch it out of order they have funny episodes and any one can usually stand on its own quite easily.

However watch them in order and many jokes get even better and story lines have even more meaning because of past influences from episodes already seen.

That can be said for almost any show, comedy or drama going back to Bewitched, Gilligan, Dragnet, Rawhide, Gunsmoke and many others all the way up to 2 Broke Girls, The Middle and L&O.  But the simple fact remains, each episode can be watched individually as a self-contained story.  There is no reason to refuse to watch an episode of The Neighbors simply because it's been cancelled any more than there is to refuse to watch Third Rock From The Sun.

 

If you don't like sitcoms or space sitcoms, that's fine.  You can refuse to watch on that basis.  But to simply say flat out, that you have to erase all unwatched episodes you have on a DVR for no other reason than that the show was cancelled before you started to watch any of them is silly.

 

I still find long cancelled shows I'd never heard of on DVD.  Should I refuse to buy those DVDs simply because the show was cancelled with or without a 'formal' ending?

 

In fact, I find a lot of the 'last episodes' or last few episodes to be far less interesting than the first ones.  There are a few shows where I won't watch the last season because to whole format and story line changed into a 'wrap-up' concept and isn't anywhere near as funny or entertaining.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 07:31 AM

That can be said for almost any show, comedy or drama going back to Bewitched, Gilligan, Dragnet, Rawhide, Gunsmoke and many others all the way up to 2 Broke Girls, The Middle and L&O.  But the simple fact remains, each episode can be watched individually as a self-contained story.  There is no reason to refuse to watch an episode of The Neighbors simply because it's been cancelled any more than there is to refuse to watch Third Rock From The Sun.

 

If you don't like sitcoms or space sitcoms, that's fine.  You can refuse to watch on that basis.  But to simply say flat out, that you have to erase all unwatched episodes you have on a DVR for no other reason than that the show was cancelled before you started to watch any of them is silly.

 

I still find long cancelled shows I'd never heard of on DVD.  Should I refuse to buy those DVDs simply because the show was cancelled with or without a 'formal' ending?

 

In fact, I find a lot of the 'last episodes' or last few episodes to be far less interesting than the first ones.  There are a few shows where I won't watch the last season because to whole format and story line changed into a 'wrap-up' concept and isn't anywhere near as funny or entertaining.

 

Apparently you have time to kill.  Enjoy your shows that will leave you hanging and stop chastising those of us who choose to use our time wisely.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 07:38 AM

Apparently you have time to kill.  Enjoy your shows that will leave you hanging and stop chastising those of us who choose to use our time wisely.

 

It could be argued that we really should say 'waste our time wisely' when it comes to watching TV...  :)


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:01 AM

It could be argued that we really should say 'waste our time wisely' when it comes to watching TV...   :)

 

Imagine how boring life would be without TV...wait, I lived without it for the first six years of my life and I can tell you it was boring. Even when it appeared content worth watching was a rarity and life remained boring.  Finally got better in the late 50s, IIRC.  Still nothing to watch in the daytime.  Finally VCRs came along in the early 80s and time-shifting became possible and that leads us to where we are today.  

 

But, to your point, I don't look at it as a waste of time.  I look at it as entertainment we're lucky to have.  What I really considered a waste of time was working.  

 

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:09 AM

. What I really considered a waste of time was working.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:19 AM

Imagine how boring life would be without TV...wait, I lived without it for the first six years of my life and I can tell you it was boring. Even when it appeared content worth watching was a rarity and life remained boring.  Finally got better in the late 50s, IIRC.  Still nothing to watch in the daytime.  Finally VCRs came along in the early 80s and time-shifting became possible and that leads us to where we are today.  

 

But, to your point, I don't look at it as a waste of time.  I look at it as entertainment we're lucky to have.  What I really considered a waste of time was working.  

 

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So much truth there.

 

I wonder what the Non network channels would do without the syndicated network shows. How many would go broke fairly quickly or become a reality show wasteland?

 

Who knows, without TV shows I might even go to the Movies, Nah, Not happening. What passes for a hit movie these days does not interest me.

 

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:11 PM

So much truth there.

 

I wonder what the Non network channels would do without the syndicated network shows. How many would go broke fairly quickly or become a reality show wasteland?

 

Who knows, without TV shows I might even go to the Movies, Nah, Not happening. What passes for a hit movie these days does not interest me.

 

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I gave a lot of thought to going to the movies recently because of Gravity, a movie that disappointed me terribly.  But another member (with whom I usually agree on most things) who saw it on an IMAX screen really liked it and that made me think that perhaps I was missing something.  Then I came to my senses.  Sticky feet, rip-off prices, so many things to dislike about a movie house.  Can't pause the movie for a break. can't replay scenes.  Nah, I'm with you.

 

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 01:29 PM

If it wasn't for cancelled shows, we wouldn't have all the syndicated and classic TV stations.

 

Cancelled shows give me something to watch.

 

Funny thing is, the ones Runner is talking about will likely never be syndicated.  They don't have the popularity, so those that wipe them off their DVRs unwatched will probably never get the chance to watch them again on TV.  Sure there would be the DVDs and specialty streaming subscription services, but not the broadcast or cable channels.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 04:24 PM

Apparently you have time to kill.  Enjoy your shows that will leave you hanging and stop chastising those of us who choose to use our time wisely.


Hmmm ... it seems that you are chastising those who watch first run shows as they air and are insulting those viewers by saying they are not using their time wisely. And yet they are the ones who make the shows popular enough to renew. (And keep them alive long enough that binge watchers have something to watch.)

I'm not going to chastise your viewing habits ... just don't ever complain about spoilers. Those of us who watch TV should not need to protect those who refuse to watch as programs air. The shows may be more enjoyable spoiler free - but that is a privilege given to those who watch as shows air.

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:21 AM

It could be argued that we really should say 'waste our time wisely' when it comes to watching TV...   :)

 

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:23 AM

If it wasn't for cancelled shows, we wouldn't have all the syndicated and classic TV stations.

 

Cancelled shows give me something to watch.

 

Funny thing is, the ones Runner is talking about will likely never be syndicated.  They don't have the popularity, so those that wipe them off their DVRs unwatched will probably never get the chance to watch them again on TV.  Sure there would be the DVDs and specialty streaming subscription services, but not the broadcast or cable channels.

 

You're generalizing "canceled shows".  I'm not, and never have been, talking about long running shows that get canceled.  I'm talking about shows that air and are canceled 5 episodes in or even run a full season and get canned with no good ending.   I'm not talking about Barney Miller, Andy Griffith, Golden Girls or any of the other stuff you're referring to that is in syndication.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:24 AM

Hmmm ... it seems that you are chastising those who watch first run shows as they air and are insulting those viewers by saying they are not using their time wisely. And yet they are the ones who make the shows popular enough to renew. (And keep them alive long enough that binge watchers have something to watch.)

I'm not going to chastise your viewing habits ... just don't ever complain about spoilers. Those of us who watch TV should not need to protect those who refuse to watch as programs air. The shows may be more enjoyable spoiler free - but that is a privilege given to those who watch as shows air.

And for all the shows popular enough to stay alive ... thanks to the people who watch.

 

I'm not chastising anyone but catching a lot of flack for the way I watch TV.  Why does it matter so much to you how I watch TV??

 

Oh, and spoilers....  As long as the rules of this forum are followed and spoilers are kept in a thread about a specific episode and not in a general thread about the show it's all good.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:35 AM

I'm not chastising anyone but catching a lot of flack for the way I watch TV.  Why does it matter so much to you how I watch TV??

 

Oh, and spoilers....  As long as the rules of this forum are followed and spoilers are kept in a thread about a specific episode and not in a general thread about the show it's all good.

 

I was gonna reply to James' post but you beat me to it.  It's just that different people view TV shows differently and those of us that watch shows in their entirety are now looked down upon?  Close to 40 years (or more), I've devoted to time shifting and I like to watch what I want when I know there's gonna be more than a few shows then a quick cancellation.  Everybody has their own way of watching and none of us should be chastised for the way we watch our recorded content.  I agree that many shows can be watched as they are recorded and we do that with a lot of shows.  But, a series like 24?  Much more enjoyable watching the whole season in one swell foop than watching it as it is recorded and wondering what's going on.  Much easier to keep track of the story line and the characters without waiting a week or more for the next episode.  But that's just my opinion.  

 

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 02:54 PM

I was gonna reply to James' post but you beat me to it.  It's just that different people view TV shows differently and those of us that watch shows in their entirety are now looked down upon?  Close to 40 years (or more), I've devoted to time shifting and I like to watch what I want when I know there's gonna be more than a few shows then a quick cancellation.  Everybody has their own way of watching and none of us should be chastised for the way we watch our recorded content.  I agree that many shows can be watched as they are recorded and we do that with a lot of shows.  But, a series like 24?  Much more enjoyable watching the whole season in one swell foop than watching it as it is recorded and wondering what's going on.  Much easier to keep track of the story line and the characters without waiting a week or more for the next episode.  But that's just my opinion.  

 

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 04:15 PM

I agree that many shows can be watched as they are recorded and we do that with a lot of shows.  But, a series like 24?  Much more enjoyable watching the whole season in one swell foop than watching it as it is recorded and wondering what's going on.


24 is one of the shows that one can guarantee will end appropriately (with a cliffhanger for the next series of 24). [NOT a spoiler, just a prediction.] If you can avoid all discussion of the show letting a popular show sit for a binge watch could work. But you can also watch 24 each week as it airs without the fear that the show will get cancelled before the end of this season's story arc. And be free to spend your Monday nights and Tuesdays discussing what Jack did with other fans.

The fear of getting involved is the aspect I don't agree with - even though I've been annoyed by truncated series. If more people followed the watch the day it aired plan more struggling shows would survive. If more people followed the "don't watch until there is a full season" plan more shows would die. Thanks to regular "watch when it airs" viewers shows survive to become classics. Thanks to "binge if it makes a full season" viewers shows die.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:42 PM

But, a series like 24?  Much more enjoyable watching the whole season in one swell foop than watching it as it is recorded and wondering what's going on.  Much easier to keep track of the story line and the characters without waiting a week or more for the next episode.  But that's just my opinion.  

But if you already have all episodes on DVR, including any last episode, even if it isn't the final wrap-up you think it should have been, why refuse to watch it?

 

I have all aired episodes of The Playboy Club on DVR that I will someday watch even though I know there are three unaired episodes that may never be released on line or anywhere else.

 

I also have a few episodes of Pan Am I may someday watch and several single episodes of now cancelled shows from the last couple of prime-time seasons.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:57 PM


The fear of getting involved is the aspect I don't agree with - even though I've been annoyed by truncated series. If more people followed the watch the day it aired plan more struggling shows would survive. If more people followed the "don't watch until there is a full season" plan more shows would die. Thanks to regular "watch when it airs" viewers shows survive to become classics. Thanks to "binge if it makes a full season" viewers shows die.

 

Not true at all.  DVR numbers count. A show recorded is a show "watched".  


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:59 PM

But if you already have all episodes on DVR, including any last episode, even if it isn't the final wrap-up you think it should have been, why refuse to watch it?

 

I have all aired episodes of The Playboy Club on DVR that I will someday watch even though I know there are three unaired episodes that may never be released on line or anywhere else.

 

I also have a few episodes of Pan Am I may someday watch and several single episodes of now cancelled shows from the last couple of prime-time seasons.

 

We get it, you don't care.  Some of use however do.  That's no reason to chastise us.   You do what you want and leave us to do what we want.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:10 PM

If a series falls in the woods and no one is there to see or hear  it, did it make a sound?


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:31 PM

Not true at all.  DVR numbers count. A show recorded is a show "watched".


Not the type of viewing you're pushing ... the "wait till the end of the season, if it survives" viewing. Live-Plus-Same-Day, Live-Plus-Three and Live-Plus-Seven count the normal timeshifters who catch a program each week as it airs and watch it. Recorded but not watched does not count for ratings. Nielsen reports what is watched.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:35 PM

If a series falls in the woods and no one is there to see or hear  it, did it make a sound?


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 11:48 PM

Not true at all. DVR numbers count. A show recorded is a show "watched".


Actually that's not how it works, if you record it but never watch it its never noted as being watched.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 01:21 AM

I have divided my tv series into 4 categories.

Listening, Cooking, Eating, and Sit on the couch Watching.

 

In Example;

1. Listening - NCIS Los Angeles. David Letterman, local news

2. Cooking - The Tommorrow People,  and all the L&O shows

3. Eating - Mentalist,NCIS, Daily Show, and all the other big 4network series.

4.Sit and watch- Walking Dead, The Bridge, ect ect ect.

 

I have no time for the taste test these days.

I am one and done if if smells bad.



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Posted 14 May 2014 - 10:30 AM

Not true at all.  DVR numbers count. A show recorded is a show "watched".  

 

Even if they weren't, how many of us have the capability to store whole series?  Very few, I'd think.  I'd rather watch a series that is complicated all at once, that seems simple.  I'm not telling anyone how they should watch their series, I'm just telling how I watch series.  And I don't watch them all at once, I've already said that.  Right now, I'm watching Black Sails, which I'd rather watch all at once than weekly.  Why does what a very few of us do rankle people so much?  I've been doing the same thing for a long time, as I've said and suddenly there's a word, Binge, for the way I've been watching shows for years.  I like that word and intend to keep on binging.

 

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