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#1 OFFLINE   Drucifer

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 12:15 AM

 

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:46 AM

Awesome video. And I love the idea too.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:32 AM

I hope they included sensors / transducers necessary for auto-driving vehicles.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 08:37 AM

An interesting idea but one that would have to be rolled out overnight. Imagine what happens when studded tires or tire chains meet glass.

I'm not sold that these panels would survive rock or tree falls.

I don't want to be riding my motorcycle or bicycle on wet glass because at some point, the glass will surely become smooth.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 11:55 AM

Looking at the design data it appears that many potential problems have been solved albeit at the expense of the efficiency of the panels in generating electricity. There are certainly enough parking lots, driveways, sidewalks, etc., to give this a good test. Even though my initial concerns would be is (1) the availability of enough recycled glass and (2) the cost of maintenance for a country like the ours full of people that won't fund through taxes the maintenance of it's bridges and roads now because they need the iPhone 6 to replace the iPhone 5.9 they bought last week, I'm impressed.

 

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:55 PM

After driving 300 miles today and thinking about this in the almost bumper to bumper traffic at 80+mph, I think this would be a great national project once it is proven.  Similar to the CCCs of the 30s and the Interstate system by Eisenhower. . . a great job provider from construction, manufacturing, to high tech for 50 years or so.  Or longer including maintenance.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:02 PM

I wonder if it can interact with enhance 911. 


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:16 PM

I would think bridges would be the first place to instal this system. 


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:52 PM

I hope they where careful with the estimations. If a car is sitting on top if it it won't be producing power. The key is I see those panels look small and they are using micro inverters so that would Maximize their power output.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 03:11 PM

I hope they where careful with the estimations. If a car is sitting on top if it it won't be producing power. The key is I see those panels look small and they are using micro inverters so that would Maximize their power output.

Y, it's all about the numbers.  Each 3x5' (roughly) panels I have on the roof produce 225 watts PEAK for a few minutes a day but in less than 3 years have produced 10+ MEGA watt Hours of electricity.

 

These hexagonal panels probably produce a max of 10 watts or less PEAK for a few minutes a day, but with probably thousands per mile in a single lane.  And a car passing over it is only a second or less.  Parking lots would be different.

 

My 250 watt microinverter is a 1 square foot x 1 inch  embedded electronic device under each panel.  The inverter on this hex panel would be less than the size of a thumb drive.

 

I'd rip my driveway up tomorrow if these were available at a 10 year breakeven price.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 03:18 PM

Awesome video. But unfortunately the oil lobbyists won't let the dream come true. Too much for them to loose

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 09:28 PM

Y, it's all about the numbers. Each 3x5' (roughly) panels I have on the roof produce 225 watts PEAK for a few minutes a day but in less than 3 years have produced 10+ MEGA watt Hours of electricity.

These hexagonal panels probably produce a max of 10 watts or less PEAK for a few minutes a day, but with probably thousands per mile in a single lane. And a car passing over it is only a second or less. Parking lots would be different.

My 250 watt microinverter is a 1 square foot x 1 inch embedded electronic device under each panel. The inverter on this hex panel would be less than the size of a thumb drive.

I'd rip my driveway up tomorrow if these were available at a 10 year breakeven price.


Enphase? Look carefully at the video. They showed enphase inverters the same size as the ones you have now. ;).

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 03:50 AM

That may have been just for proof of concept. . . Just like a 12volt low wattage inverter for your car is the size of a wall wart that plugs in your cigarette lighter (accessory power now), there's no reason for the micro inverter to be that big.

 

Electronics scale very well and this should really be a Micro (read smaller) inverter!



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 01:15 PM

Not sure why you assume that as it'd cost less most likely to use those and they have plenty of room for them. But that's the last thing to worry about with this ends out IMHO.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 02:03 PM

There's just a BIG difference in making prototypes or designing a production unit for millions / billions of units.  In that kind of production volume a nickel difference in a connector or custom SOC makes a big difference.

 

There are so many other factors in large production runs . .  shipping weight, heat generation / dissipation, form-factor just to name a few.

 

Look at the Apple TV puck and Google's Chromecast. . . fundamentally the same capability (although I don't use the ChromeCast I have) but significant difference in size and cost.



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:33 PM

All true (although apple is probably a bad example as the cost difference there is apple charges a premium for everything for software) but they will want a modular system for sure and as far as heat bigger may dissipate easier than a tiny one.

Obviously the inverters themselves aren't prototypes. And my real point is that's already a universal and easy to use system. It's completely plug and play which i am sure they will want.

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If they actually build a couple lots and such and see if this works well.

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 08:03 AM

Ok I didn't see this before I posted another thread in the OT section about this, I even tried searching it before I posted to see if it had been posted yet and got nothing. But anyway here's my posts from that thread to add to the discussion: 

 

Posted Yesterday, 12:21 PM

So apparently this is a real thing, not just one of those "too good to be true on the internet things". I must say if this is actually feasable it could be one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time!

 

http://www.solarroad...com/intro.shtml

 

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Wow!  Too bad most of us won't live long enough to see this implemented throughout the country.  Seems like the perfect solution to our energy needs.  That alone will probably doom it.

 

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I kind of wondered about the whole big energy companies trying to squash it. However if any of them have any kind of sense they'll embrace it and become road construction and maintenance companies. I mean think about it, big energy company says to the inventor of the solar road panels hey we'll buy as many of these things as you can produce as fast as you can produce them. Then they turn around and approach cities, states and countries and say we will repave and maintain your roads. The governments get the savings of not having to take care of their own roads and the energy company gets to charge for the electricity those roads generate. It's either that or litlle by little, businesses and municipalities on their own start installing these solar road panels and generating their own energy and cutting the energy companies out of the picture. Seems like it would be in the big energy companies best interests to take the lead in implementing this technology rather than fighting against it. But what do I know? In the world we live in now where companies are more worried about this quarter's profit margins than their long-term viability they could decided to throw an army of money and lawyers trying to undermine it if they felt that would cost them less right now.




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Posted 31 May 2014 - 10:38 AM

Ok I didn't see this before I posted another thread in the OT section about this, I even tried searching it before I posted to see if it had been posted yet and got nothing. But anyway here's my posts from that thread to add to the discussion: 

 

Posted Yesterday, 12:21 PM

So apparently this is a real thing, not just one of those "too good to be true on the internet things". I must say if this is actually feasable it could be one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time!

 

http://www.solarroad...com/intro.shtml

 

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Rich, on 30 May 2014 - 1:15 PM, said:snapback.png

I kind of wondered about the whole big energy companies trying to squash it. However if any of them have any kind of sense they'll embrace it and become road construction and maintenance companies. I mean think about it, big energy company says to the inventor of the solar road panels hey we'll buy as many of these things as you can produce as fast as you can produce them. Then they turn around and approach cities, states and countries and say we will repave and maintain your roads. The governments get the savings of not having to take care of their own roads and the energy company gets to charge for the electricity those roads generate. It's either that or litlle by little, businesses and municipalities on their own start installing these solar road panels and generating their own energy and cutting the energy companies out of the picture. Seems like it would be in the big energy companies best interests to take the lead in implementing this technology rather than fighting against it. But what do I know? In the world we live in now where companies are more worried about this quarter's profit margins than their long-term viability they could decided to throw an army of money and lawyers trying to undermine it if they felt that would cost them less right now.

 

I know some people that work for those big energy companies.  They went from the corporation I worked for to the energy companies and were astounded at how much money those companies had to spend and didn't seem to know what to spend it on. Those are the kind of companies to work for.  On a personal basis, of course.  I'd think they'd fight tooth and nail to keep things as they are.

 

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 10:27 PM

Tonight, it made my local news.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:12 AM

come on, I would love this, but glass like tiles for roads in winter states? NEVER going to work. If you thought pot holes were a problem...


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