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#451 OFFLINE   damondlt

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 04:40 AM

Japan now shooting for 2016 testing....

http://www.pcworld.c...0-olympics.html

http://sportsvideo.o...-8k-innovation/

What are we looking at?
Are we supposed to be impressed at the over contrasting that's in the tv on the right?

You want to try and make 4K or 8 look impressive you might want post a different picture comparison.

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 10:24 AM

What are we looking at?
Are we supposed to be impressed at the over contrasting that's in the tv on the right?

You want to try and make 4K or 8 look impressive you might want post a different picture comparison.

Anything less than a super-duper HD image of original 4K content will fail to provide any real idea of the comparison.

 

Then again...seeing original 4K content on 4K and 1080p units side by side at CES was already seen by a number of folks at DBSTalk.


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Posted 30 October 2014 - 07:17 PM

The transition is actually far less cumbersome than some would have you believe. It's mostly about investment and deployment...nominally about development.

If only a small fraction of the population is interested (or could possibly discern the difference), why go to the trouble?

1125 line TV went through much the same pattern and we never saw it in the US so that the wily Japanese are doing may be nothing more than a curiosity.
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Posted 31 October 2014 - 05:57 AM

If only a small fraction of the population is interested (or could possibly discern the difference), why go to the trouble?

1125 line TV went through much the same pattern and we never saw it in the US so that the wily Japanese are doing may be nothing more than a curiosity.

Negatively theorizing how many people will fail to adopt it is futile. That same misguided logic could be applied for any new technology.

 

The fact is that it is further down the road for adoption elsewhere in the world and being embraced by consumers there. 

 

By the way...apparently it's no "trouble" at all...since content creators, content delivery systems, networks, digital camera manufacturers, and transmittal system technology firms are all investing significantly to deliver 4K UHD.

 

There will be leaders, followers, and also rans...just like it was for 1080p HD. DirecTV, ESPN, Samsung, Paramount, Netflix, Amazon, and others intend to be leaders in their respective areas.

 

No trouble at all.


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 07:24 AM

By the way...apparently it's no "trouble" at all...since content creators, content delivery systems, networks, digital camera manufacturers, and transmittal system technology firms are all investing significantly to deliver 4K UHD.

Content creators are probably using 4K (and I'll bet its not the 3840x2160 flavor) because that's what the people who once used film are using, not because it's where broadcast TV is headed.

For dozens of years TV programming has been shot using much more advanced "formats" than would be delivered to the end customer.
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Posted 31 October 2014 - 07:37 AM

Content creators are probably using 4K (and I'll bet its not the 3840x2160 flavor) because that's what the people who once used film are using, not because it's where broadcast TV is headed.

For dozens of years TV programming has been shot using much more advanced "formats" than would be delivered to the end customer.

I guess that's why ESPN has already purchased and has been using 4K cameras in advance of their publicly-stated intent of launching their 4K content and being a leader with that format...hmmm...seems to be some disconnect.


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 09:06 AM

I guess that's why ESPN has already purchased and has been using 4K cameras in advance of their publicly-stated intent of launching their 4K content and being a leader with that format...hmmm...seems to be some disconnect.

The possible disconnect is between what someone announces they are going to do and what they actually do. ESPN made similar claims about 3D and after enormous investment and a fairly good trial, look where it's at now.

This is kind of like DIRECTV associating 4K with the inservice of DIRECTV 14. They probably aren't related in any technological way but it sounds good.
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Posted 31 October 2014 - 09:28 AM

The possible disconnect is between what someone announces they are going to do and what they actually do. ESPN made similar claims about 3D and after enormous investment and a fairly good trial, look where it's at now.

This is kind of like DIRECTV associating 4K with the inservice of DIRECTV 14. They probably aren't related in any technological way but it sounds good.

Then again...what one reads on the Internet as opposed to obtaining information from those directly involved in the 4K UHD movement/initiatives will differ in their depth of substance/accuracy. That's disconnect in terms of facts.

 

It's also fair to assume that large organizations making public commitments risk the consequences of not achieving them. The ESPN commitment/investment to 3D paled in comparison to 4K UHD.

 

This is an evolving technology, with more turns along the way. 


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 10:56 AM

Negatively theorizing how many people will fail to adopt it is futile. That same misguided logic could be applied for any new technology.

 

The fact is that it is further down the road for adoption elsewhere in the world and being embraced by consumers there. 

 

By the way...apparently it's no "trouble" at all...since content creators, content delivery systems, networks, digital camera manufacturers, and transmittal system technology firms are all investing significantly to deliver 4K UHD.

 

There will be leaders, followers, and also rans...just like it was for 1080p HD. DirecTV, ESPN, Samsung, Paramount, Netflix, Amazon, and others intend to be leaders in their respective areas.

 

No trouble at all.

 

I can't believe how many naysayers there are on this thread.  

 

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 12:26 PM

I can't believe how many naysayers there are on this thread.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:12 PM

I can't believe how many naysayers there are on this thread.  

 

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Agree.

 

What makes it all the more "interesting" is that the loudest barkers aren't even DirecTV customers...yet the continue talking about what DirecTV might/will/might not provide. Hopefully those legitimately interested in this topic don't get derailed by their unfounded negative rhetoric.


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 05:17 PM

The possible disconnect is between what someone announces they are going to do and what they actually do. ESPN made similar claims about 3D and after enormous investment and a fairly good trial, look where it's at now.

This is kind of like DIRECTV associating 4K with the inservice of DIRECTV 14. They probably aren't related in any technological way but it sounds good.

So you are equating 3D with 4K? That's where you have gone wrong. 3D is and has always been a fad. 4K is no more a fad than HD was 15 years ago.


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 07:57 PM

Little birdie told me 4K is coming very soon to DIRECTV® (it looks PPV only first) and only via RVU TVs (Samsung 2014 only models)


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 08:04 PM

Little birdie told me 4K is coming very soon to DIRECTV® (it looks PPV only first) and only via RVU TVs (Samsung 2014 only models)

Good news! My Sammy is on a C41, and that one is only 32".... Dunno if the trouble to set up RVU on it will be worth it.... And of course, it's only 1080p, so I don't think that'll be wholly satisfactory. 


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 03:49 AM

Little birdie told me 4K is coming very soon to DIRECTV® (it looks PPV only first) and only via RVU TVs (Samsung 2014 only models)

That little birdie's diagram looks stupid. Then you have to pay six bucks a month for the Genie plus six for the RVU and the content is pay per view. Oh well, their first.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 04:02 AM

If only a small fraction of the population is interested (or could possibly discern the difference), why go to the trouble?

1125 line TV went through much the same pattern and we never saw it in the US so that the wily Japanese are doing may be nothing more than a curiosity.


Are you talking about the old Japanese Analog HDTV system?

Japan started that in the late 70s.

However, Digital hit in the early 80s - with CDs coming out in 1983.

There were actually plans for the USA to use it. In fact, HBO announced they would have a HD Channel by 1987 (One would use their C Band Dish and appropriate hardware).

But when the CD exploded, all plans in the USA were put on hold.

There was no reason to build an outdated Analog HD system when it would be (in theory) much better digital.

Digital took longer than expected to roll out (notice how long it took DVDs to come out after the CD), but Japan had to replace their HD system twice - because their MUSE system was inferior to the ATSC standards. The USA did not want to go through that with Digital on the horizon.

So that answers your question as to why we did not go with the MUSE system. We were on plans to go with it, but Digital became the buzzword - and it was put on hold.

If your question is to why we are going after 4k instead of waiting 5 years for 8k, good question. I've often thought about that.

However, TVs lasted 10+ years in the 60s / 70s and 80s. Today getting 3-4 years out of a HDTV is normal. Likewise, a big screen SD TV cost $3k-$5k in the late 80s (which inflation adjusted is at least double what it is now) so prices did come down considerably. I guess they plan that you will have to replace the unit by 2020 anyway.

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 04:05 AM

What are we looking at?
Are we supposed to be impressed at the over contrasting that's in the tv on the right?

You want to try and make 4K or 8 look impressive you might want post a different picture comparison.


If you had bother to read, it was to demonstrate the motion blur at 60 frames of 4k v 120 frames of 8k.

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 04:09 AM

I guess that's why ESPN has already purchased and has been using 4K cameras in advance of their publicly-stated intent of launching their 4K content and being a leader with that format...hmmm...seems to be some disconnect.


Again, they are using 4K Cameras for Instant Replay so they can zoom into a specific area at higher resolution.

NOTHING ELSE is being fed by the 4K Cameras (the rest of the remote video path is too narrow nor equiped for 4K. It is fed directly to the slo-mo recorders.

And fwiw, TNT is NOT using 4K for NBA replays as the depth of field is too narrow with 4K cameras.

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 04:11 AM

Little birdie told me 4K is coming very soon to DIRECTV® (it looks PPV only first) and only via RVU TVs (Samsung 2014 only models)


Wow....who speculated that was the way it would work in this thread many, many months ago.

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 05:32 AM

Again, they are using 4K Cameras for Instant Replay so they can zoom into a specific area at higher resolution.

NOTHING ELSE is being fed by the 4K Cameras (the rest of the remote video path is too narrow nor equiped for 4K. It is fed directly to the slo-mo recorders.

And fwiw, TNT is NOT using 4K for NBA replays as the depth of field is too narrow with 4K cameras.

Again...the point was made in the context of 4K cameras already being in production and being used as a stepping stone to launching more future 4K UHD content by ESPN. They have to start somewhere if they intend to be a leader in that format as they have publically stated. Other content creators and providers are also starting to use 4K cameras as well.

 

Here's a piece that summarizes the 3D to 4K comparison well for those who remain interested:

 

http://techrealist.w...ite-directions/

 

But much of the conversation here seems to be:

 

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 09:53 AM

Here's a piece that summarizes the 3D to 4K comparison well for those who remain interested:
 
http://techrealist.w...ite-directions/

If you substitute 3D for 4K in the second half of the article it would fairly accurately represent what was going on in 2009. All of the noted attributes of UHD (including the commitments from carriers and ESPN) were present with 3D.

Additional attributes in 3D's favor were that 3D already had a suitable disc format (where UHD's disc format is at least a year off), it could be delivered via most of the installed HD STBs to most manufacturer's 3DTVs and it could be done with existing live satellite delivery channels.

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:37 AM

What a shock, 4k will look exactly like 1080p on DirecTV. ppv only and 99% of what people actually watch will still be in 720p or 1080i.

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 12:34 PM

Sometimes there is one barking so loud you just think there's many many more.

 

Good point.

 

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 12:39 PM

Agree.

 

What makes it all the more "interesting" is that the loudest barkers aren't even DirecTV customers...yet the continue talking about what DirecTV might/will/might not provide. Hopefully those legitimately interested in this topic don't get derailed by their unfounded negative rhetoric.

 

Another good point.  I don't understand the way our collective minds work.  We stand idly by while the best TVs go away forever and complain about a new technology that would seem to make those plasmas disappearing a bit easier to take.  I know I'm gonna buy a 4K very soon, I'm very impressed by what I've seen from Samsung.  

 

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 12:46 PM

What a shock, 4k will look exactly like 1080p on DirecTV. ppv only and 99% of what people actually watch will still be in 720p or 1080i.

 

We have to give it time.  This instant gratification crap serves no purpose.  Next thing you know people will be complaining about kids being born without the ability to walk or talk right after birth.  Better to take baby steps with new technology than to have it royally screwed up by makers rushing to produce products that aren't ready.  Can no one remember the advent of the 20-700?  

 

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