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#1 OFFLINE   compnurd

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 07:23 AM

Ok.  So while my signal levels are good, and I dont really have any rain issues unless it is bad thunderstorms..  I still think something is off regardless of the amount of tweaking

 

So after ruling out the tree, I am wondering if the dent on the dish could cause an issue or if possibly i am mounted to close to my house.

 

Current Signal levels- Clear outside, humid, dish is a little wet(alot of rain last night)

 

These levels are slightly lower than when measured last in the winter

 

I have attached pictures of the dish, and location.  you can also see the one tree in question.  But i did check again with Norsat yesterday and the Sats sit well above the tree.  I may be over thinking and this is the best i can get for my location but who knows..  I have a SWM-16 with all new SCC cable to the dish.  Distance from dish to SWM is about 90FT

 

The SATS go from right to left in the picture.  so in 6, 103 is to the right

 

101

97 95 96 92 96 100 96 100

96 96 97 95 97 100 97 99

96 82 95 96 95 100 96 100

96 57 94 100 96 100 96 100

 

99C

95 95 89 91 94 92 88 90

92 91 88 88 95 91

 

103CA

88 92 91 88 91 88 90 89

91 87 92 88 90 86 94 90

 

103CB

95 95 89 88 92 93 88 87

91 92 88 89 91 91

 

 

 

 

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#2 OFFLINE   carl6

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 08:23 AM

Those are all good readings, and if you are not having any symptoms or problems, I wouldn't worry about it.



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 12:35 PM

while 103 ca & cb can be tweak just a bit, perhaps half a turn, I agree with carl, nothing to worry about 


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:26 PM

ok..   i have tried tweaking 6 ways to sunday.  cant seem to get much higher..   everything is a couple of points higher when it is cooler out...  but i tried another LNB and it had the same effect also


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:30 PM

Could it be reflections that account for his slightly lower signals, if indeed he's tweaked it as best he could?

 

After all, satellite signals reflect off metal, and he's got metal right next to that dish, and there are other Ka birds in the sky.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:37 PM

you talking about the gutter?


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 03:03 PM

you talking about the gutter?

 

The downspout and whatever other metal may be nearby. If its just the gutter it might not be enough, but there may be a lot of metal under the siding at that corner, depending on how it is framed.

 

I was posing this question more to people who would know like peds48. I have no idea if this can be a real problem aside from aluminum siding, which that doesn't appear to be (unless it is vinyl coated aluminum)


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:14 PM

ok..   i have tried tweaking 6 ways to sunday.  cant seem to get much higher..   everything is a couple of points higher when it is cooler out...  but i tried another LNB and it had the same effect also

 

Don't over-think this.  Your readings are fine.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:01 PM

If you can't stand great readings, you might try tweaking the elevation for a chance at a little bit greater readings. Of course it is just as likely that you do more harm than good.

No amount of tweaking is going to stop rain fade if your area is prone to heavy rains.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:21 PM

Could it be reflections that account for his slightly lower signals, if indeed he's tweaked it as best he could?

 

After all, satellite signals reflect off metal, and he's got metal right next to that dish, and there are other Ka birds in the sky.

according second picture he is OK, a reflection from flat surfaces like the guts will not create measurable interference to the reflector



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 06:26 PM

The downspout and whatever other metal may be nearby. If its just the gutter it might not be enough, but there may be a lot of metal under the siding at that corner, depending on how it is framed.

I was posing this question more to people who would know like peds48. I have no idea if this can be a real problem aside from aluminum siding, which that doesn't appear to be (unless it is vinyl coated aluminum)

It's framed with wood , not metal, and the corner is vinyl.
downspout is the only metal I see.
Only commercial buildings have metal framing.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 06:29 PM

Also , just so you know I have that same dish with the raised edge, and I have a smooth edge dish, and the raised edged dish is 3-5 points lower than the smooth edged version.
So I would say your peaked.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 07:41 PM

What do you mean smooth dish vs raised dish?


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:17 AM

What do you mean smooth dish vs raised dish?


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There are 2 slimlines, one that has a raised edge on the reflector around the outside of it, and one that doesn't.
The 4 mounting bolts are also different measurements, so they can't be swapped out without changing the reflector mount.
Which requires a complete realignment.

Later if someone doesn't already post a picture, I'll post one.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:14 AM

Thanks.  If you have a PN on the smooth one i would appreciate that also..


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:08 PM

Here is both.
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Smooth Slimline.

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Raised Edge slimline.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 06:49 PM

After looking at your pictures I think I have the smooth one


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:15 PM

After looking at your pictures I think I have the smooth one


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You have iphone hence good camera... why we don't see your pictures ? ;)


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:56 PM

You have iphone hence good camera... why we don't see your pictures ? ;)

See post #1


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 09:00 PM

confused by his wording "I think"






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