Jump to content


Welcome to DBSTalk


Sign In 

Create Account
Welcome to DBSTalk. Our community covers all aspects of video delivery solutions including: Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS), Cable Television, and Internet Protocol Television (IPTV). We also have forums to discuss popular television programs, home theater equipment, and internet streaming service providers. Members of our community include experts who can help you solve technical problems, industry professionals, company representatives, and novices who are here to learn.

Like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community. Sign-up is a free and simple process that requires minimal information. Be a part of our community by signing in or creating an account. The Digital Bit Stream starts here!
  • Reply to existing topics or start a discussion of your own
  • Subscribe to topics and forums and get email updates
  • Send private personal messages (PM) to other forum members
  • Customize your profile page and make new friends
 
Guest Message by DevFuse

Photo

Court rejects Viacom's bid to throw out Cablevision bundling suit


  • Please log in to reply
7 replies to this topic

#1 OFFLINE   Athlon646464

Athlon646464

    Hall Of Fame

  • News Hound
  • 2,784 posts
  • LocationUxbridge, MA
Joined: Feb 23, 2007

Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:24 AM

Court rejects Viacom's bid to throw out Cablevision bundling suit
 
(Fiercecable.com) - Manhattan Judge Laura Taylor Swain ruled that Cablevision has submitted ample evidence to support its anti-trust claim, which states that Viacom is coercing it to carry 14 lower rated channels, including Palladia, MTV Hits and VH1 Classics, in order to license eight "must-have" networks including Comedy Central, MTV and Nickelodeon....
 
 
lawsuit_stockimage_640.jpg

1 HR34-700, 1 C31-700, 1 HR24-500
Original install on April 20, 2008 - HR34 & C31 installed on August 24, 2013 - HR24 installed on July 23, 2010

Press any key to continue, or any other key to cancel.


...Ads Help To Support This SIte...

#2 OFFLINE   KyL416

KyL416

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 2,059 posts
  • LocationTobyhanna, PA
Joined: Nov 10, 2005

Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:56 AM

This suit is a joke. The stations Cablevision are singling out happen to be ones in direct competition with a certain other music channel owned by the Dolans that they were heavily pushing at the time this suit was filed. (A channel they have since given up, cancelled most of the original programming and is pending a sale) Several channels like Palladia (then MHD), Logo, Nicktoons, Tr3s and VH1 Soul were added seperately outside of the main negotiations with Viacom. Not to mention Cablevision doesn't have all of Viacom's channels, they don't have BET Gospel, BET Hip-Hop, CMT Pure Country, MTV Jams, mtvU, Nick 2 or Epix. If Viacom was really "forcing" them on providers they would have picked them up when their contract was renewed a year or two ago and the same can be said for all the other providers including Dish and DirecTV who don't have their 24/7 music video channels.

Also don't confuse bundling with tiers. Tiers isn't the issue at all, if it were Viacom would be forcing providers to put their channels in the expanded basic. Most providers split these channels in different packages like digital, digital plus, HD, and Spanish. Getting a discount for including other channels makes sense, there's less overhead with the accounting, marketing and engineering being from the same company, compared to something like Disney Channel vs Nickelodeon who are from seperate companies with their own staffs and uplink facilities. That staff gets paid if you get Nickelodeon alone vs Nickelodeon with their digital nets. The difference is the cost is spread out amongst the other networks if you get them while Nickelodeon alone would put that cost on the one network.

Having the digital nets also allow them to take chances programming wise, shows like Degrassi, Dance Academy, Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh are popular, but they don't get the ratings shows like Spongebob and Sam & Cat get on the main Nickelodeon channel. And if a show underperforms on Nick, like Digimon Fusion and the last season of House of Anubis did, it can be moved to Nicktoons or TeenNick so the fans can continue to see the shows. The same can be said for MTV, VH1 and CMT, reality shows like Jersey Shore and The Real World get the ratings, while nonstop music videos can be found on their digital channels like MTV Hits, VH1 Soul and CMT Pure Country.

Edited by KyL416, 24 June 2014 - 11:23 AM.


#3 OFFLINE   Diana C

Diana C

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 1,925 posts
  • LocationNew Jersey
Joined: Mar 30, 2007

Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:03 AM

Whatever the motivation, this is the first time I can recall a cable company pushing back against a content provider's practice of selling channels only in groups.


  • damondlt and Cobra611 like this

Dish Network Customer from 9/1998-11/2001
DirecTV Customer 10/2001 - 7/2014

FiOS TV/TiVo Customer since 6/2014
Moderator, DBSDish.com 1999-2000
Co-Founder and Administrator, DBSForums.com 2000-2006

Current setup:
DirecTV: HR34-700 (1TB) / HR24-100 (1TB) / HR24-500 (1TB) / HR21-700 (320GB) / HR21-100 (1TB) / 2 H25s / C41-500 / SWiM16 / Nomad / CCK

FiOS: 2 Tivo Roamio Pros (6 TB total) / 5 Tivo Minis attached via MOCA


#4 OFFLINE   damondlt

damondlt

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 4,405 posts
Joined: Feb 27, 2006

Posted 24 June 2014 - 03:41 PM

This suit is a joke. The stations Cablevision are singling out happen to be ones in direct competition with a certain other music channel owned by the Dolans that they were heavily pushing at the time this suit was filed. (A channel they have since given up, cancelled most of the original programming and is pending a sale) Several channels like Palladia (then MHD), Logo, Nicktoons, Tr3s and VH1 Soul were added seperately outside of the main negotiations with Viacom. Not to mention Cablevision doesn't have all of Viacom's channels, they don't have BET Gospel, BET Hip-Hop, CMT Pure Country, MTV Jams, mtvU, Nick 2 or Epix. If Viacom was really "forcing" them on providers they would have picked them up when their contract was renewed a year or two ago and the same can be said for all the other providers including Dish and DirecTV who don't have their 24/7 music video channels.

Also don't confuse bundling with tiers. Tiers isn't the issue at all, if it were Viacom would be forcing providers to put their channels in the expanded basic. Most providers split these channels in different packages like digital, digital plus, HD, and Spanish. Getting a discount for including other channels makes sense, there's less overhead with the accounting, marketing and engineering being from the same company, compared to something like Disney Channel vs Nickelodeon who are from seperate companies with their own staffs and uplink facilities. That staff gets paid if you get Nickelodeon alone vs Nickelodeon with their digital nets. The difference is the cost is spread out amongst the other networks if you get them while Nickelodeon alone would put that cost on the one network.

Having the digital nets also allow them to take chances programming wise, shows like Degrassi, Dance Academy, Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh are popular, but they don't get the ratings shows like Spongebob and Sam & Cat get on the main Nickelodeon channel. And if a show underperforms on Nick, like Digimon Fusion and the last season of House of Anubis did, it can be moved to Nicktoons or TeenNick so the fans can continue to see the shows. The same can be said for MTV, VH1 and CMT, reality shows like Jersey Shore and The Real World get the ratings, while nonstop music videos can be found on their digital channels like MTV Hits, VH1 Soul and CMT Pure Country.

I fail to see this as a Joke.

Maybe you like paying out the wad for crap, I'm tired of it.

 

Cablevision may not have them channels you listed , but I'm sure that what cablevision is implying that Viacom will force them to carry them come contract time when Greedy Viacom wants another unjustified huge price increase.


 Former Directv Subscriber May 5th-2012 - November 7th 2014 

Blue Ridge Communticatons

Tivo T6 (Roamio Plus) Livingroom Samsung 6030,55 inch

Tivo T6 (Roamio Plus) Master Bedroom,Samsung 5300 40 inch

Tivo Mini Bedroom 2

Tivo Mini Bedroom 3

Cisco HD ,Bedroom office 4

Basic Plus anolog Bedrrom 5 and 6

 

 


#5 OFFLINE   damondlt

damondlt

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 4,405 posts
Joined: Feb 27, 2006

Posted 24 June 2014 - 03:42 PM

Whatever the motivation, this is the first time I can recall a cable company pushing back against a content provider's practice of selling channels only in groups.

I agree!


 Former Directv Subscriber May 5th-2012 - November 7th 2014 

Blue Ridge Communticatons

Tivo T6 (Roamio Plus) Livingroom Samsung 6030,55 inch

Tivo T6 (Roamio Plus) Master Bedroom,Samsung 5300 40 inch

Tivo Mini Bedroom 2

Tivo Mini Bedroom 3

Cisco HD ,Bedroom office 4

Basic Plus anolog Bedrrom 5 and 6

 

 


#6 OFFLINE   KyL416

KyL416

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 2,059 posts
  • LocationTobyhanna, PA
Joined: Nov 10, 2005

Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:33 PM

Cablevision may not have them channels you listed , but I'm sure that what cablevision is implying that Viacom will force them to carry them come contract time when Greedy Viacom wants another unjustified huge price increase.

The contract with Cablevision was last renewed in December 2012 and there's been MULTIPLE renewals since most of those channels launched during the 90s and 00s. Not once was Cablevision forced to add these missing channels and the channels they did add were added outside of the renewal. The same goes for other providers, there's a reason why mtvU, CMT Pure Country, BET Gospel and BET Hip Hop are some of their least distrubuted channels and why none of the satellite providers carry their 24/7 music video channels.

As for it being "crap", VH1 Classic is very popular, just because you don't enjoy something doesn't mean it's crap, people can say the same thing about channels you enjoy. Viacom doesn't even force providers to put the channels on all of their systems since providers are able to take into consideration the demos the individual system serves. (i.e. in New Hampshire where my cousins live the local Comcast system doesn't carry BET, before Cablevision launched their digital cable service CMT was limited to shared time with the leased access channel between 2am and 6am)

The point is the channels Cablevision are singling out happen to be in direct competition with Fuse, a music channel owned by the Dolans which at the time they were trying to build up with new original programming. (Including a news show hosted by former MTV hosts)

Edited by KyL416, 24 June 2014 - 05:15 PM.


#7 OFFLINE   Pepe Sylvia

Pepe Sylvia

    Legend

  • Registered
  • 155 posts
Joined: May 10, 2010

Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:08 PM

I always get a chuckle out of people when these things happen. They aren't doing it for YOUR benefit, they're doing it for THEIR benefit.

#8 OFFLINE   Diana C

Diana C

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 1,925 posts
  • LocationNew Jersey
Joined: Mar 30, 2007

Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:04 AM

Of course they are, but it this suit is successful, it won't effect only the Viacom channels. Disney won't be able to link contracts for the Disney Channel, ESPN and ABC, just to name one example. This is required first step to what so many people seem to want: al a carte pricing to the viewer.
  • damondlt likes this

Dish Network Customer from 9/1998-11/2001
DirecTV Customer 10/2001 - 7/2014

FiOS TV/TiVo Customer since 6/2014
Moderator, DBSDish.com 1999-2000
Co-Founder and Administrator, DBSForums.com 2000-2006

Current setup:
DirecTV: HR34-700 (1TB) / HR24-100 (1TB) / HR24-500 (1TB) / HR21-700 (320GB) / HR21-100 (1TB) / 2 H25s / C41-500 / SWiM16 / Nomad / CCK

FiOS: 2 Tivo Roamio Pros (6 TB total) / 5 Tivo Minis attached via MOCA





Protected By... spam firewall...And...