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#1 OFFLINE   cbiggers

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 06:55 AM

Anyone notice the RVU alliance posted the Directv C51 reciever was a certified product a few months ago? 

 

http://www.rvualliance.org/products

 

Anyone know whats different? 

 

 



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 11:38 AM

Even if they knew they couldn't talk about it here.  


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 01:50 PM

Even if they knew they couldn't talk about it here.  

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 02:08 PM

If you dig around the FCC's site, you can probably find some information about it, like dimensions, types of wireless it uses, etc. so you could figure out some of the "different" about it - but maybe it is just redesigned to be cheaper but doesn't include any new capabilities.

 

One would think there's a HR54 coming to pair with it, and that would either be cheaper to make than the 44 or include new features like 4K support. If the latter they'd need a 4K client, too.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 02:54 PM

DIRECTV announced last December that the Genie was coming to Latin America in 2014 so it looks like Brazil and Mexico (the DIRECTV LA divisions that kept the SKY name) could be getting some love soon.

Still no approved RVU servers.
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Posted 08 July 2014 - 03:01 PM

If the latter they'd need a 4K client, too.

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 03:26 PM

Why don't I remember the C30 ?

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 03:38 PM

Why don't I remember the C30 ?

 

It was never released, only used for internal testing (and maybe BETA testers?), replaced by the C31.  I think it was shown along with the HMC30 (which turned into the HR34) at CES back in like 2008 or something like that.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

If I recall the prototype was about the size of an H24.
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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:45 PM

DIRECTV announced last December that the Genie was coming to Latin America in 2014 so it looks like Brazil and Mexico (the DIRECTV LA divisions that kept the SKY name) could be getting some love soon.

Still no approved RVU servers.

 

That's what the SC51 is - a C51 for Sky.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:48 PM

It was never released, only used for internal testing (and maybe BETA testers?), replaced by the C31. I think it was shown along with the HMC30 (which turned into the HR34) at CES back in like 2008 or something like that.

Okay that's makes sense, I remember seeing it with HMC30

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 11:50 PM

DIRECTV announced last December that the Genie was coming to Latin America in 2014 so it looks like Brazil and Mexico (the DIRECTV LA divisions that kept the SKY name) could be getting some love soon.

Still no approved RVU servers.


You do realize you are the only one on the planet that has any concern abut RVU servers right?
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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:00 AM

You do realize you are the only one on the planet that has any concern abut RVU servers right?

 

No he's not.  I'd love to see some more RVU servers announced/produced.  Imagine being able to buy one ROKU or AppleTV RVU server that could stream to any of the TVs in your house.  Imagine a Blu-Ray jukebox that could hold your entire collection and play to any TV in the house, etc.

 

I'd also like to see some more RVU clients.  Maybe instead of an AppleTV or ROKU RVU server, just make them RVU clients so they could be used instead of C31/C41 or RVU TVs.  Or build RVU client software into Blu Ray players, etc. 


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:56 PM

I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't build an RVU client into the xbox one.  They want this system to be on "input 1".  In fact there's HDMI passthrough, IR blasting and overlay for that reason.  But if they had RVU client, it could be the box that did DirecTV, OTT, and games all in one... finally living up to its name the xbox "one".  

 

Also instead of relying on tricky overlays, IR blasting and HDMI passthrough, for cable customers they should of made it be able to talk to silicon dust hd home run cable card tuner, or even the ceton cable card tuner and then you have a box that can do premium cable, direcTV RVU, AND all the other xbox internet stuff / games.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:35 PM

I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't build an RVU client into the xbox one.  They want this system to be on "input 1".  In fact there's HDMI passthrough, IR blasting and overlay for that reason.  But if they had RVU client, it could be the box that did DirecTV, OTT, and games all in one... finally living up to its name the xbox "one".  

 

Also instead of relying on tricky overlays, IR blasting and HDMI passthrough, for cable customers they should of made it be able to talk to silicon dust hd home run cable card tuner, or even the ceton cable card tuner and then you have a box that can do premium cable, direcTV RVU, AND all the other xbox internet stuff / games.

can they over lay on top of RVU? What about copyright / DHCP issues?


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:03 PM

can they over lay on top of RVU? What about copyright / DHCP issues?

This is no different of what ids being done now 


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:03 PM

can they over lay on top of RVU? What about copyright / DHCP issues?

 

It overlays on top of HDMI, so it can overlay on anything that outputs HDMI.

 

Whether the overlays look good/fit well with the native GUI on the device is another matter :rotfl:


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:31 PM

I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't build an RVU client into the xbox one.  They want this system to be on "input 1".  In fact there's HDMI passthrough, IR blasting and overlay for that reason.  But if they had RVU client, it could be the box that did DirecTV, OTT, and games all in one... finally living up to its name the xbox "one".

 

Yeah, I'm kind of suprised they haven't included it either.  Especially since they seem to be almost giving up on Windows Media Center on their PCs.

 

I still don't think Sony has released the update for the PS3 or included RVU on the PS4 yet either have they?  They said they were going to add it to the PS3 over a year ago.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

Yeah, I'm kind of suprised they haven't included it either.  Especially since they seem to be almost giving up on Windows Media Center on their PCs.

 

I still don't think Sony has released the update for the PS3 or included RVU on the PS4 yet either have they?  They said they were going to add it to the PS3 over a year ago.

 

Probably because RVU isn't really a standard, as Directv is only the one who uses it in a "server" role. It is easy to suggest "they should support everything" like cypherx wants, but there are costs attached to doing it, and making sure it works in the future. If the Xbox One supported third party apps then Directv could make a RVU client if they wanted, but why would Directv bother? From their perspective the clients already exist and it costs the customer the same to use one as it does to use a Xbox.

 

Microsoft's whole idea with the HDMI passthru was explicitly NOT to have to support all the million different types of TV watching devices, and try to make them all controlled by the Xbox. I think the whole HDMI passthru strategy is stupid, but they aren't exactly known for coming up with user friendly solutions.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 04:07 PM

No he's not.  I'd love to see some more RVU servers announced/produced.  Imagine being able to buy one ROKU or AppleTV RVU server that could stream to any of the TVs in your house.  Imagine a Blu-Ray jukebox that could hold your entire collection and play to any TV in the house, etc.

 

I'd also like to see some more RVU clients.  Maybe instead of an AppleTV or ROKU RVU server, just make them RVU clients so they could be used instead of C31/C41 or RVU TVs.  Or build RVU client software into Blu Ray players, etc. 

 

Yes he is.  Your concern is identical to mine and has validity and matters.  He is harping on, as he has been since the hr34 was introduced, that the hr34 and hr44 are not listed as certified rvu servers on the rvu web site.  That really is meaningless at this point and is simply his way of continuing to be negative in a directv forum.  That's it.

 

I completely agree with you about getting more servers and clients form all manufacturers, but I think the reality is, tvs need to be clients and almost everyone else needs to become servers in the long run to make this a viable option.  I am not sure if making an xbox a client will propel the technology, but if it was a server, that would be huge.  Problem is XBOX wants to control everything instead of the tv,, and I don't see them becoming both, although that would then allow them to control everything in the system on every tv someone has in their house if you think about it...

 

And if Samsung made their blu ray players servers, that would be great for the consumer, in some ways, but it would likely cut sales for them too, so I am not sure we will ever see companies really go that route, unless its cable and sats companies, which is what is happening right now with all of them.  



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 08:08 AM

Well the thing with putting an RVU client in an Xbox, or Roku, or Apple TV, or whatever... means less switching inputs.  The company who put the RVU client in their box (lets use Microsoft as an example), has the advantage of their box being on the primary input an on all the time.  That means more likelyhood of the user venturing out into xbox OTT apps or content, or games, because the devices is already on, and the input is already selected.  Plus who knows, Microsoft could theoretically determine what your watching on TV and sell that data to advertising companies.  Thats extra revenue and extra data about you they have.  Valuable stuff.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 08:24 AM

Probably because RVU isn't really a standard, as Directv is only the one who uses it in a "server" role.

The RVU Alliance has done everything that is necessary to prove that RVU is a standard:

1. A published standard that includes other standards by reference
2. A governing body that ratified and advances the standard
3. A formal third-party testing regimen for standard compliance

Where they've failed is in getting anyone (DIRECTV) to bother with server approval. How can they be taken seriously if there's a question that the business end of the standard isn't forthcoming or it may fade away much like the old DIVX conditional viewing standard did.

Recently the alliance has brought Panasonic and Sharp on board, so they must be presenting a compelling case to the industry that they have something to shoot for.
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Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:04 PM

The RVU Alliance has done everything that is necessary to prove that RVU is a standard:

1. A published standard that includes other standards by reference
2. A governing body that ratified and advances the standard
3. A formal third-party testing regimen for standard compliance

Where they've failed is in getting anyone (DIRECTV) to bother with server approval. How can they be taken seriously if there's a question that the business end of the standard isn't forthcoming or it may fade away much like the old DIVX conditional viewing standard did.

Recently the alliance has brought Panasonic and Sharp on board, so they must be presenting a compelling case to the industry that they have something to shoot for.

 

By "standard" I guess I meant a successful standard - something that is used by more than the one who invented/helped invent it. It is easy to decide you want something of yours to become a standard, what's hard is getting others to accept it over something that they've invented and fits their needs or business model better.

 

I doubt getting Panny and Sharp on board require so much "a compelling case" as it cost very little to add support for it. The required hardware is already there on any TV that includes a network interface and can play MPEG2/MPEG4 videos (which is just about all of them these days) The RVU Alliance no doubt supplies reference code, all you have to do is the work required to integrate and test it. It is probably no more difficult than to add a Netflix or Youtube player into your TV's "apps".


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:50 PM

IMHO, the real "issue" is that (outside of the satellite companies) RVU is a solution in search of a problem.  For television entertainment the trend is away from local boxes and towards cloud based servers with simple IP client apps on the TV.  The platform for these apps is slowly moving toward an HTML5 standard.  So, in a few years, you'll subscribe to FiOS or Comcast, give them the address of your Smart TV and they will download an app to the TV (and charge you an "outlet fee").  The only local devices will be for older TVs without downloadable app support.  Everything will come in via IP, including DVR service.  It is a lot simpler to build an app than build an RVU server.

 

RVU only matters to DirecTV (and perhaps Dish) since they don't control the IP pipe.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 08:14 AM

IMHO, the real "issue" is that (outside of the satellite companies) RVU is a solution in search of a problem.  For television entertainment the trend is away from local boxes and towards cloud based servers with simple IP client apps on the TV.  The platform for these apps is slowly moving toward an HTML5 standard.

You say that there's no pressing need for RVU and then follow it up with an established need for what RVU promises. Which is it?
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