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Thoughts on Sports Pack? What is it good for?


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#26 OFFLINE   JVK

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:16 PM

You do get replays of NHL regular season games that are broadcast on the RSN's. You also get pretty much all NHL preseason games that are broadcast, and a few AHL games during the regular season and post season.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:29 PM

You do get replays of NHL regular season games that are broadcast on the RSN's. You also get pretty much all NHL preseason games that are broadcast, and a few AHL games during the regular season and post season.

Any out of market replay MLB or NHL has always been blacked out.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:45 PM

I would like to see Directv have a multi-tiered Sports Pack --- maybe something like Bronze, Silver and Gold given sports analogy.

 

Sports Pack Bronze: $13/month  current Sports Pack

Sports Pack Silver: $20/month    plus ESPN3 content (basically get rid of Full Court and Game Plan and have Directv just put ESPN 3 feeds in sports pack -- also could include some other ESPN 3 events -- most notably international sports.  This could be possible with launch of new satellite.)

Sports Pack Gold: $70/month     plus every pro sports package (MLS, NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL)



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:46 PM

Any out of market replay MLB or NHL has always been blacked out.

 

Not all NHL replays are blacked out.  Some are, but some are not.  Rangers in 60 for example isn't blacked out.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:25 PM

Sports Pack Silver: $20/month    plus ESPN3 content (basically get rid of Full Court and Game Plan and have Directv just put ESPN 3 feeds in sports pack -- also could include some other ESPN 3 events -- most notably international sports.  This could be possible with launch of new satellite.)

ESPN 3 doesn't cost extra, it just has the caveat of requiring an internet connection. For much of the international content ESPN only has the digital rights and not the television rights. Plus Game Plan is $29.99 a month, good luck not getting in a legal dispute with ESPN if DirecTV were to drop their packages entirely in favor of all the ESPN 3 feeds via satellite.

Sports Pack Gold: $70/month plus every pro sports package (MLS, NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL)

NFL Sunday Ticket Max is about 55 a month, Extra Innings is about 50 a month, Direct Kick is about 20 a month, League Pass is about 50 a month, Center Ice is about 40 a month, Game Plan is about 30 a month, Full Court has a similar price. With the overlap between all of them $70 wouldn't even begin to cover it.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:32 PM

I would like to see Directv have a multi-tiered Sports Pack --- maybe something like Bronze, Silver and Gold given sports analogy.

 

Sports Pack Bronze: $13/month  current Sports Pack

Sports Pack Silver: $20/month    plus ESPN3 content (basically get rid of Full Court and Game Plan and have Directv just put ESPN 3 feeds in sports pack -- also could include some other ESPN 3 events -- most notably international sports.  This could be possible with launch of new satellite.)

Sports Pack Gold: $70/month     plus every pro sports package (MLS, NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL)

ESPN may want the ESPN 3 stuff in basic packs with the main ESPN channels.

 

What this sports basic all the non RSN channels in there now + NHL NETWORK at say $6 mo also maybe add fox soccer plus to this.

 

$10 outer ring RSN's + out of market BTN net, pac12 net, SEC net, etc. maybe the few ESPN 3 game that in the past have been on local area cable systems.

 

$13-$15 out of market RSN's blackouts on pro sports may with wide open college games on RSN's. Directv should push ESPN to let full court and Game plan become like fox collgle sports on DTV. with them haveing only the few FC and GP only games maybe as part this level of the sports pack..

 

$30-$40 super sports pack NHL CI, NBA LP, NFL ST, MLB EI, All other channels in sports pack minimum 4-month commitment.


Edited by JoeTheDragon, 06 August 2014 - 04:43 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:39 PM

ESPN 3 doesn't cost extra, it just has the caveat of requiring an internet connection. For much of the international content ESPN only has the digital rights and not the television rights. Plus Game Plan is $29.99 a month, good luck not getting in a legal dispute with ESPN if DirecTV were to drop their packages entirely in favor of all the ESPN 3 feeds via satellite.

NFL Sunday Ticket Max is about 55 a month, Extra Innings is about 50 a month, Direct Kick is about 20 a month, League Pass is about 50 a month, Center Ice is about 40 a month, Game Plan is about 30 a month, Full Court has a similar price. With the overlap between all of them $70 wouldn't even begin to cover it.

ESPN3 does have a few games that where only on it that have been shown in the teams local areas on cable systems.

 

any ways with ATT looking to buy directv they may try some hardball with ESPN like how Netflix will pay Comcast for faster and more reliable access to Comcast’s subscribers. They can say we cut the fee / have no fee if you let us push some of that load over to the TV side.

 

rogers cable has the super sports pak that has the out of market packs for about $36 cn year round.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 05:09 PM

rogers cable has the super sports pak that has the out of market packs for about $36 cn year round.

Comparing Canada to US is apples and oranges. With the CRTC regulating EVERYTHING, including cable and satellite channels and providers, it's a different market. Having no local teams outside of NHL, and the Blue Jays and Raptors being available in all of Canada as a national broadcast helps too. Their packages also have less content since there are more games available nationally on CBC, CTV, City, the SportsNets and the TSNs since they don't have to deal with things like exclusive windows where only one game can air nationally. (i.e. the 4pm NFL game on CBS or Fox, the Tuesday night NHL game on NBCSN, or the weekend MLB games on Fox or ESPN)

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 06:04 PM

Any out of market replay MLB or NHL has always been blacked out.

. I've been watching out of market replays of nhl games with sports pack for years.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 07:00 PM

If you think about $60/month for all the pro sports packages, that is $720 per year.  It's basically like buying NFL w/ max, MLB, and NBA, and MLS, then getting NHL free.  So it may actually be too much for most.  $50/month is probably more reasonable.  One issue is that people would add and drop this too often.  For example, September with NFL and MLB pennant race.  Could require 12-month commitment.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 08:39 PM

If you think about $60/month for all the pro sports packages, that is $720 per year.  It's basically like buying NFL w/ max, MLB, and NBA, and MLS, then getting NHL free.  So it may actually be too much for most.  $50/month is probably more reasonable.  One issue is that people would add and drop this too often.  For example, September with NFL and MLB pennant race.  Could require 12-month commitment.

What about an commercial pack for all of the pro sports packs or at least NHL CI, NBA LP, NFL ST, MLB + college?


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:58 PM

What about an commercial pack for all of the pro sports packs or at least NHL CI, NBA LP, NFL ST, MLB + college?

 

Too difficult for them to do combined commercial packages like that since they're dependent on capacity and not all sports have the same levels or even measure it the same way (EVO vs FCO)

 

If there was a package like that it would have to be a significant savings, because I don't get the NBA or NHL packages. Little interest in either league around here aside from the Bulls and Blackhawks, which are mostly on CSN Chicago. People mostly don't care about the regular season for pro basketball or hockey since so many teams make the playoffs.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 03:56 AM

I'd get the Sports Pack in a jiffy if Comcast Philly was available. But alas...


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Posted 09 August 2014 - 11:41 AM

Not as much college football and basketball as there used to be, and the baseball is going to decrease with the SEC Network starting, but there's still a lot of college hockey and a fair amount of high school football.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 07:37 PM

Not as much college football and basketball as there used to be, and the baseball is going to decrease with the SEC Network starting, but there's still a lot of college hockey and a fair amount of high school football.




You start getting the lower conferences since most if the majors are on national networks from espn to fs1 to BTN to sec to PAC 12 to CBS sportsnet to the OTA networks.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:19 AM

The only reason I have the sport package is for the soccer on beIN.

- plus the odd match on Fox Sports.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:46 PM

I have a Bright house Subscription as well as DirecTV and I just got a note from them saying that they will have 8 college sports channels (College Zone 1-8) included in their sports pack.  The note ends with this sentence:

 

ESPN GamePlan and Full Court will no longer be sold separately as seasonal sports packages.

 

I assume this is where all will go but it is not clear whether these channels will be in HD or not on Bright House (actually my guess is SD) ... however if DirecTV did this in HD it would make the sports pack a little more valuable (even though 90% of the college games are shown in it as is).



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:51 PM

I have a Bright house Subscription as well as DirecTV and I just got a note from them saying that they will have 8 college sports channels (College Zone 1-8) included in their sports pack.  The note ends with this sentence:
 
ESPN GamePlan and Full Court will no longer be sold separately as seasonal sports packages.
 
I assume this is where all will go but it is not clear whether these channels will be in HD or not on Bright House (actually my guess is SD) ... however if DirecTV did this in HD it would make the sports pack a little more valuable (even though 90% of the college games are shown in it as is).


Unless espn begins to deliver them in HD, they will be in SD for sure.
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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:29 AM

Unless espn begins to deliver them in HD, they will be in SD for sure.

maybe direct can get the right to show them in HD (even if directv has to feed in / remap feeds) or the right to use ESPN3 feeds as well.

 

They should push to make game plan and full court as part of sports pack as well maybe even do a FCS and have a few channels in the sports pack for the games only on game plan / full court / game only ESPN 3 feeds.

 

If Bright house got a deal to have it in sports pack then directv can as well.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:03 AM

I believe that ESPN is not allowing HD content on the packages as it will drive adoption to ESPN3 for contract negotiations. It's not like the games are being shot in HD now ESPN just chooses to not broadcast them in HD.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 03:29 PM

maybe direct can get the right to show them in HD (even if directv has to feed in / remap feeds) or the right to use ESPN3 feeds as well.

 

They should push to make game plan and full court as part of sports pack as well maybe even do a FCS and have a few channels in the sports pack for the games only on game plan / full court / game only ESPN 3 feeds.

 

If Bright house got a deal to have it in sports pack then directv can as well.

 

And maybe they will be under the new contact. We will see. Maybe not. It depends on if it makes sense for DirecTV and ESPN. If they put it in sports pack then the sub base for the game plan and full court packages goes way up. Does the price per sub go down? If not, then you are talking about a big increase for DirecTV for minimal ROI, especially if the games are still not in HD.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 03:32 PM

I believe that ESPN is not allowing HD content on the packages as it will drive adoption to ESPN3 for contract negotiations. It's not like the games are being shot in HD now ESPN just chooses to not broadcast them in HD.

 

And yet they allow HD for the women's basketball tournament and for other regional items they could force people into packages for. I don't think that is the reason. I think the reason is that ESPN has always been a bit behind in HD distribution channels. Why is Classic still SD only? If they offer it in HD, they have to provide the HD pipeline. Where does that come from when they are using all their pipes already on a busy college football weekend. Heck, we have seen a HUGE variation in the HD quality because they are pushing older equipment into use on days when they have a lot of live games.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 08:23 PM

And yet they allow HD for the women's basketball tournament and for other regional items they could force people into packages for. I don't think that is the reason. I think the reason is that ESPN has always been a bit behind in HD distribution channels. Why is Classic still SD only? If they offer it in HD, they have to provide the HD pipeline. Where does that come from when they are using all their pipes already on a busy college football weekend. Heck, we have seen a HUGE variation in the HD quality because they are pushing older equipment into use on days when they have a lot of live games.

also cable systems don't have the room for game plan / Full court HD.

 

Classic is in zombie mode it's old over flow use has moved to ESPN News. Back when they did the ESPNU / Classic flip it's use started to go down.

 

Directv uses real did not need game plan as much due to lot's of games on RSN's. Now back in 2010 they tried to get in HD and espn said no. Around the same the time they started to black out RSN feeds. Also Directv had PPV games in HD that where local market only that where also in game plan. Now they may of wanted to remap feeds and only use the game plan feeds for the game plan feeds for the game plan only / local cable / local OTA stuff like how FCS is on directv. Now ESPN 3 has more game plan stuff as well.

 

Also cable systems don't seem to do as well with part time event / game / overflow feeds.


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Posted 15 August 2014 - 03:01 PM

Directv doesn't really have capacity for a bunch of additional channels from stuff like GamePlan and ESPN3 in HD right now, especially on Saturday afternoons when they're already broadcasting a lot of extra stuff like BTN and now SEC alts, not to mention MLBEI in September, and NBA and NHL later in the season. They typically cut down on PPV channels as needed to bring up these short term channels, but they'd have to pretty much shut them all down and even that might not be enough, depending on how many broadcasts are in progress from those sources.

 

When the first of the two new satellites launch they'll have tons of additional HD capacity (about 80 additional national HD channels worth from 99) It won't be in place in time to help this football season, but barring something really going awry, it will be ready for next football season. Whether ESPN can/will deliver stuff currently in SD in HD if Directv is the only provider capable of delivering it all in HD at that point in time is unknown.

 

I used to get GamePlan, but dropped it a few years ago since the quality of the games on it versus the price no longer made sense. I would like to get ESPN3 delivered by satellite, not for football but there are sometimes some good basketball games on it. Sometimes one per season involving Iowa, but the women's team is on it more often than that, and has a pretty good following around here.


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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:43 PM

Directv doesn't really have capacity for a bunch of additional channels from stuff like GamePlan and ESPN3 in HD right now.

Espn 3 games, maybe but most of the gameplan games are already on the satellite in HD on one or more of the RSNs if they can use them (maybe with commercial inserts).

And, the sec deal actually will free up a couple PPV channels sec teams used in the past.

Yes, there is more of a crunch but they don't eliminate PPV now and the net change wouldn't be that great.

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