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#1 OFFLINE   fbutera

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:40 AM

I have been a "loyal" Directv customer for about 15 years. Presently, my system consists of:

FR: HR21-100 100 hr

BR: HR21-200

Kitchen: HR24-500

 

I would like to add one more TV in a bedroom where there is no easy way to run a cable.

 

Questions:

1) If I use the Wireless CINEMA Connection Kit on my FR HR-21, will the other 2 TV's be connected to the internet for purposes of on-demand viewing?

2) If I replace my FR HR-21 with a Genie, will the other 2 TV's need a Genie mini to take advantage of the Genie or can I keep the present receivers? Or should I get a mini and keep the present receivers?

3) If I replace my FR HR-21 with a Genie, will I be able to connect the 4th TV with a wireless Genie mini?

4) How will my monthly bill change?

 

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 10:59 AM

There are two possible wireless solution that DIRECTV offers: the C41W GenieMini clients and using a CCK-W to bridge to a GenieMini across an existing Wi-fi LAN. In both cases, you would need to incorporate a Genie into your system. None of the conventional receivers/DVRs can work without at least one RG6 cable.

A third party wireless HD (typically HDMI) solution connected to an existing or new receiver might be an option.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 12:01 PM

I have been a "loyal" Directv customer for about 15 years. Presently, my system consists of:
FR: HR21-100 100 hr

BR: HR21-200

Kitchen: HR24-500


I would like to add one more TV in a bedroom where there is no easy way to run a cable.

Questions:
1) If I use the Wireless CINEMA Connection Kit on my FR HR-21, will the other 2 TV's be connected to the internet for purposes of on-demand viewing?
2) If I replace my FR HR-21 with a Genie, will the other 2 TV's need a Genie mini to take advantage of the Genie or can I keep the present receivers? Or should I get a mini and keep the present receivers?
3) If I replace my FR HR-21 with a Genie, will I be able to connect the 4th TV with a wireless Genie mini?
4) How will my monthly bill change?

Thanks.


When you say wire, do you mean coax or Internet? You can't get sat signal to your current units wirelessly.

If you want to get signal to a room with no way to run any wires, you need a wireless mini genie which requires a genie in the system somewhere to work. however all other units in the system will still be able to interact with all others, so you will be able to watch any playlist in any room.

Actually, do you have mrv?

Id do one of two things myself.

If you only have three DVrs because of recording space and conflicts and not because of wanting everyone in the house to have their own DVrs and your system currently meets all your dvring needs, then...

I'd replace your two hr21 with a genie and a mini genie then add a wireless genie for the new room. You will lose nothing in terms of abilities and will actually only gain since you can fully control series links and such from a mini for the genie. I'd put the hr24 in the least used room and you would be all set. This would also save you on power.

If you have so many DVrs to give one to each person, then I'd replace one hr21 with a genie and add a genie mini.

Assuming you pay for mrv now, your costs will go up $6 because you are adding one location. That's it. All other costs will stay the same.

You may have a one time cost for the wireless mini, not sure, that's up to you getting a good deal to upgrade.

Either system, your installer will connect it to the Internet and it only needs to be connected at one place for all to get internet connection.

If you need more detail on how that works we can explain it, it has to do with a deca cloud and all the units sharing Ethernet over the same coax that connects them to sat.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 12:04 PM

There are two possible wireless solution that DIRECTV offers: the C41W GenieMini clients and using a CCK-W to bridge to a GenieMini across an existing Wi-fi LAN. In both cases, you would need to incorporate a Genie into your system. None of the conventional receivers/DVRs can work without at least one RG6 cable.

A third party wireless HD (typically HDMI) solution connected to an existing or new receiver might be an option.


This is wrong. Directv does not and has never offered a cck-w to use to bridge a mini client, and they never ever will. And I wouldn't ever recommend creating that kind of Frankenstein system on your own to anyone either, it has many shortcomings that don't exist with directv actual solution.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 12:37 PM

This is wrong. Directv does not and has never offered a cck-w to use to bridge a mini client, and they never ever will. And I wouldn't ever recommend creating that kind of Frankenstein system on your own to anyone either, it has many shortcomings that don't exist with directv actual solution.

Nonetheless, some have claimed to have successfully implemented just such a system.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:29 PM

When you say wire, do you mean coax or Internet? You can't get sat signal to your current units wirelessly.

Actually, do you have mrv?

 

I can get neither coax or ethernet wire to the room where I want to add another TV

 

Sorry, I don't know what MRV is.

 

Here is my bill (aside from programming fees):

$10/mo HD

$10/mo Advanced Receiver

Additional TV’s: $6.45 x 3 = $19.35 (includes tax - the 4th TV here is in our motorhome, and so won't change)

 

​Sounds like the Genie, 2 minis and one wireless mini is the way to go. My wife is reluctant to give up "her" DVR (BR) as she is afraid I will delete shows on the main one before she has watched it, plus she has a big backlog of recordings on the HR21-200. Is it possible to add the mini genie and keep the DVR there?

 

Thans for all the great info and advice.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:30 PM

Nonetheless, some have claimed to have successfully implemented just such a system.


Yeah me being one of them. And again it's not something anyone should ever even consider doing now that there is a proper solution that will work far far better.

And you implied directv would do this for them. That's just completely wrong.

Find a non directv thread to spew bad and misguided advice.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:35 PM

I can get neither coax or ethernet wire to the room where I want to add another TV

 

Sorry, I don't know what MRV is.

 

Here is my bill (aside from programming fees):

$10/mo HD

$10/mo Advanced Receiver

Additional TV’s: $6.45 x 3 = $19.35 (includes tax - the 4th TV here is in our motorhome, and so won't change)

 

​Sounds like the Genie, 2 minis and one wireless mini is the way to go. My wife is reluctant to give up "her" DVR (BR) as she is afraid I will delete shows on the main one before she has watched it, plus she has a big backlog of recordings on the HR21-200. Is it possible to add the mini genie and keep the DVR there?

 

Thans for all the great info and advice.

Keep the HR21. Get the Genie, 1 wired mini and one wireless. This will let you keep the recordings.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:48 PM

I can get neither coax or ethernet wire to the room where I want to add another TV

Sorry, I don't know what MRV is.

Here is my bill (aside from programming fees):
$10/mo HD

$10/mo Advanced Receiver

Additional TV’s: $6.45 x 3 = $19.35 (includes tax - the 4th TV here is in our motorhome, and so won't change)


​Sounds like the Genie, 2 minis and one wireless mini is the way to go. My wife is reluctant to give up "her" DVR (BR) as she is afraid I will delete shows on the main one before she has watched it, plus she has a big backlog of recordings on the HR21-200. Is it possible to add the mini genie and keep the DVR there?

Thans for all the great info and advice.


Ok wait. You have four receiver now then? But one you didn't mention because it's in the motor home with its own dish?

Mrv is whole home service which allows you to watch anything recorded on any TV in the system. You will see your bill go up $3 when you activate the genie and that will also give you while home.

And since you are also adding a TV at $6 a month your total should go up by $9 a month for this change.

I always revert to happy wife equals happy life. So.... I'd spend. Little extra for a couple months to make her happy.

Here's what I would end up with if i where you. a genie at the main TV. A wireless genie mini at the tv that can't have cables run. A genie mini in the bedroom. Then I'd keep the hr24 for the kitchen.

Here's how Id make the wife happy... I'd immediate stop recording if you can on the hr21s and start watching down all their content. I'd clear off one of the hr21 immediately and then setup the install. I'd have the hr21 replaced by the genie. Then I'd keep the other hr21 active while having the genie mini installed next to it till the DVr was cleared of recordings ten Id simply call and deactivate it hen it was cleared. It'll cost you an extra $6 a month to keep it active at the same time while she watches her shows but I revert to happy wife happy life. ;)

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:22 PM

And you implied directv would do this for them. That's just completely wrong.

I stated that DIRECTV offers two wireless solutions, nothing was expressed or implied about either being recommended or commonly deployed.

You made it clear that it is horrible and ugly, and then admitted that it is a solution that you once employed. Which of us hasn't got their story straight?

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 07:55 PM

I stated that DIRECTV offers two wireless solutions, 

This is INCORRECT.  DirecTV® only offers ONE wireless solution, that is their wireless Genie mini.  There are no other solution for wireless offered by DirecTV®.  Any other "jury-rigged" solution that you may want to come up is not supported by DirecTV® 


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 07:55 PM

I can get neither coax or ethernet wire to the room where I want to add another TV

 

Sorry, I don't know what MRV is.

 

Here is my bill (aside from programming fees):

$10/mo HD

$10/mo Advanced Receiver

Additional TV’s: $6.45 x 3 = $19.35 (includes tax - the 4th TV here is in our motorhome, and so won't change)

 

​Sounds like the Genie, 2 minis and one wireless mini is the way to go. My wife is reluctant to give up "her" DVR (BR) as she is afraid I will delete shows on the main one before she has watched it, plus she has a big backlog of recordings on the HR21-200. Is it possible to add the mini genie and keep the DVR there?

 

Thans for all the great info and advice.

So you want the wireless client on the RV?


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:08 PM

I stated that DIRECTV offers two wireless solutions, nothing was expressed or implied about either being recommended or commonly deployed.

You made it clear that it is horrible and ugly, and then admitted that it is a solution that you once employed. Which of us hasn't got their story straight?

What's funny is you're wrong and you keep repeating what you're wrong about. And then you're saying that that makes you right. DirecTV only offers and has only ever offered one solution for wireless. That is a wireless many Genie client. They have never offered two wireless solutions ever.

I said on my own I played around to see if I could make something work. That's not the same thing as me saying directv supplied me with something to try. it's also not the same thing as me saying DirecTV offered another solution because they didn't.

I have no story I only have facts. You seem to be the one creating stories since your statements are incorrect.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:18 PM

Keep the HR21. Get the Genie, 1 wired mini and one wireless. This will let you keep the recordings.


I can't think of one reason to keep the HR21 over an HR24. No deca built in, slower old... Etc...

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:35 PM

I can't think of one reason to keep the HR21 over an HR24. No deca built in, slower old... Etc...

Right on!  Not even to save wanted unwatched recordings 


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:03 AM

OK. Thanks. To summarize:
The RV has its own satellite, is only used when traveling away from home, and so will stay the same as now with an independent DVR.
I'll replace the FR HR21 with the Genie. I'll get a wired mini for the kitchen (replaces HR24). I'll get a wired mini for BR though I may keep the HR21 there also until my wife watches all her stored recordings. I will get a wireless mini for the den where I presently have no Directv because of lack of wiring. And, I'm not interested in any unsupported Frankenstein solutions!

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:09 AM

Why not keep the HR24? Post pone the upgrade for a few days, watch down the HR21, record on the HR24 from now on, and keep that DVR.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:45 AM

I'll see if my wife will go for keeping the HR 24.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 11:58 AM

You do realize the only thing a Genie mini can do that a HR24 cannot is schedule a recording on the Genie?  All devices - Genie, mini, and HR24 will be able to see all recordings recorded on either the Genie or the HR24 and there is no difference in monthly cost. 


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 12:28 PM

I'd never keep the HR21 over the HR24. Never. It's a cludge by comparison. And the installer wouldn't even want you to.





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