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Does genie mini always use tuner?


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#1 OFFLINE   Rockin_K

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 11:29 AM

With genie and one mini, will the mini use one of the tuners to watch a recording? Can I watch a recording and still record 4 other shows simultaneously?

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 03:08 PM

If you are watching something that was previously recorded the genie can still record five other things. The mini only uses a tuner while it's watching live TV and it can be a tuner that is being watched or recorded by the genie. So even for live TV it might not be making a tuner unavailable for what the genie wants.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:04 PM

A "tuner", which is technically a combination of a demodulator, demux, and routed path to the HDD or the MPEG decoder and ultimately the video output, is concerned primarily with getting the signal from the LNBF to the HDD. The server aspect of a genie is concerned with getting the output of the HDD to the client box. If you are recording one thing but watching another recording, those are separate processes, that can even happen at different times, so playback to the client does not need a tuner path.

 

But when viewing live TV on a client it needs one of those input paths as well as the output path, so it takes a "tuner" to do that. Instead of the tuner path feeding the HDD and the HDD feeding the client, the tuner path feeds the client directly. If you pause or rewind "live", it then places the HDD buffer back into the path. At that point you would not need the tuner, technically, but practically speaking you need the tuner path to feed the input side of that buffer, or it will soon run out, meaning you will pretty much need the tuner path anyway.

 

So, bottom line, a client only really needs a genie tuner allocated to it when watching live, or in the buffer.

 

So the answer is "Yes, you can watch a recording from the mini and record 4 other shows." You should be able to use all tuners for recordings, meaning 5 shows, as long as you are not trying to watch live on the mini. Modern SATA media HDDs are capable of handling 12 compressed HD streams simultaneously, and the genie supposedly has the supporting horsepower to handle recording 5 streams while playing back multiple streams.


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:41 PM

A "tuner", which is technically a combination of a demodulator, demux, and routed path to the HDD or the MPEG decoder and ultimately the video output, is concerned primarily with getting the signal from the LNBF to the HDD. The server aspect of a genie is concerned with getting the output of the HDD to the client box. If you are recording one thing but watching another recording, those are separate processes, that can even happen at different times, so playback to the client does not need a tuner path.

But when viewing live TV on a client it needs one of those input paths as well as the output path, so it takes a "tuner" to do that. Instead of the tuner path feeding the HDD and the HDD feeding the client, the tuner path feeds the client directly. If you pause or rewind "live", it then places the HDD buffer back into the path. At that point you would not need the tuner, technically, but practically speaking you need the tuner path to feed the input side of that buffer, or it will soon run out, meaning you will pretty much need the tuner path anyway.

So, bottom line, a client only really needs a genie tuner allocated to it when watching live, or in the buffer.

So the answer is "Yes, you can watch a recording from the mini and record 4 other shows." You should be able to use all tuners for recordings, meaning 5 shows, as long as you are not trying to watch live on the mini. Modern SATA media HDDs are capable of handling 12 compressed HD streams simultaneously, and the genie supposedly has the supporting horsepower to handle recording 5 streams while playing back multiple streams.

Your last bit is a bit off. If he's trying to watch a live show while tw unit is recording five things he still can but it has to be one of the five that are recording.

And if you want to get Techincal the genie maxs out at 10 streams off the hard drive.

5 recording tuners. 3 Whole Home Service or RVU out to other tv's. One on demand download and one recording or stream from another TV coming in.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:17 AM

A "tuner", which is technically a combination of a demodulator, demux, and routed path to the HDD or the MPEG decoder and ultimately the video output, is concerned primarily with getting the signal from the LNBF to the HDD. The server aspect of a genie is concerned with getting the output of the HDD to the client box. If you are recording one thing but watching another recording, those are separate processes, that can even happen at different times, so playback to the client does not need a tuner path.

 

But when viewing live TV on a client it needs one of those input paths as well as the output path, so it takes a "tuner" to do that. Instead of the tuner path feeding the HDD and the HDD feeding the client, the tuner path feeds the client directly. If you pause or rewind "live", it then places the HDD buffer back into the path. At that point you would not need the tuner, technically, but practically speaking you need the tuner path to feed the input side of that buffer, or it will soon run out, meaning you will pretty much need the tuner path anyway.

 

So, bottom line, a client only really needs a genie tuner allocated to it when watching live, or in the buffer.

 

So the answer is "Yes, you can watch a recording from the mini and record 4 other shows." You should be able to use all tuners for recordings, meaning 5 shows, as long as you are not trying to watch live on the mini. Modern SATA media HDDs are capable of handling 12 compressed HD streams simultaneously, and the genie supposedly has the supporting horsepower to handle recording 5 streams while playing back multiple streams.

Interesting, so what happens if a Mini is left on after viewing Live TV but the TV it's connected to is off, will it still allocate a tuner? I'm assuming with HDMI the Mini should be able to sense that the display is turned off and nothing needs to be streamed from the Genie to the Mini. If this is not true then it would be a good practice to alway turn off the Mini when not in use (my Harmony remote does this anyway).


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:24 AM

and one recording or stream from another TV coming in.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:24 AM

Interesting, so what happens if a Mini is left on after viewing Live TV but the TV it's connected to is off, will it still allocate a tuner?

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:25 AM

it would be a good practice to alway turn off the Mini when not in use (my Harmony remote does this anyway).

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:24 AM

can you explain this cause you lost me there


You can watch something previously recorded on the genie or from another DVR as well. :). It was late so that may have been a bit of a word twister.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:26 AM

Interesting, so what happens if a Mini is left on after viewing Live TV but the TV it's connected to is off, will it still allocate a tuner? I'm assuming with HDMI the Mini should be able to sense that the display is turned off and nothing needs to be streamed from the Genie to the Mini. If this is not true then it would be a good practice to alway turn off the Mini when not in use (my Harmony remote does this anyway).


Not something to worry about IMHO. It will act just like your current DVRs. If the server needs that tuner for a recording etc.. It will give the mini a pop up requesting it and if no one responds no it will take it, just like a HR24x will take your foreground tuner for a recording when needed if you don't respond to a pop up to keep it from using it.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:42 AM

You can watch something previously recorded on the genie or from another DVR as well. :). It was late so that may have been a bit of a word twister.

not if all 3 streams are taken by 3 minis. The Genie can stream up to 3 Devices, these devices can be RVU clients, receivers, DVRs or GenieGo
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Posted 14 August 2014 - 06:42 PM

You are going the wrong way. I accounted for three outbound streams. I'm talking about inbound from another DVR, or simply watching a previous recording on the actual genie. It's three out and one in so to speak.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 06:45 PM

You are going the wrong way. I accounted for three outbound streams. I'm talking about inbound from another DVR, or simply watching a previous recording on the actual genie. It's three out and one in so to speak.

OK, that makes sense, I guess.


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