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Rumor: YES Coming soon to E*


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#21 OFFLINE   Geronimo

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 05:10 AM

It will be that way all the time. Not just for the Japan series
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Posted 30 March 2004 - 05:39 AM

Yeah, we had plenty of YES Network in EI last year.

ESPN(2) doesn't have exclusive national rights much any more. I think only on sundays, now.

DirecTV still has the Yankees replay today and tomorrow on their online EI schedule with channel TBA. It is not listed in their EPG as of now. Another DirecTV trick is make you check the EPG all day long sometimes. :)

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 07:23 AM

DirecTV now has the Yankees/Devil Rays game tomorrow at 5am ET listed on their Sports Schedule channel(s) as being on EI 754.

The website is apparently totally in error as far as the month of March goes.

This would be a good time for DISH Network to put it up tomorrow, if they have contracts in place, but contract may not take effect until next month.

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 02:47 PM

Hey John, On Channel 220 the game this morning was supposed to be on 754 but sure nuff come 5am no YES feed and I had to settle for the canned ESPN feed with announcers in Bristol.


I have not looked at 220 or 753 since yesterday, but have been told it lists tomorrows game, not todays.

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 02:50 PM

I have not looked at 220 or 753 since yesterday, but have been told it lists tomorrows game, not todays.


Your right...It was 2am when I read 220 and thought it said Tuesday. Damn I knew I should have had caffeine first....:D
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Posted 30 March 2004 - 04:41 PM

What sucks is that even though we don't get YES in the NY area on Dish, the ESPN2 feed is blacked out here on Dish (for this mornings Yankee opener in Japan). WTF?


Oblio98,

It matters NOT that YES is not available on Dish. What matters is that YES has EXCLUSIVE rights to ALL IN Market Yankees fans. This means that NO Yankee's games can be carried on any other carrier unless YES Sells or grants a national carrier all local rights to a game for any and all subscribers in the Yankee's Local regional designated Market, which is ALL of New York State, and parts of the Tri-CITY around NYC.


Almost all Yankee games on YES are exclusive in market, whether you have access to YES or NOT, on your particular Multichannel providers system.

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 07:06 PM

Down with The YES Network and Down with the Yankees this year.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 10:19 AM

I hate to be the token pessimist. Seriously, who are we all kidding? We're not getting YES. The only thing that's been accomplished both here and on Satellite Guys is that we probably have given the Dish employees that browse these sites a good laugh. That's about it.

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 12:27 AM

Let’s get this deal done. It’s been 2 years now and no yes; isn’t that enough? Will it ever happen? The reason that I have kept dish network for the last 2 years is because my buddy has DTV and I can always go to his house to watch a game. I didn’t worry much because I thought that eventually a deal would have been reached between Yes and Dish.

It seems more and more likely that it is just never going to happen. Will this be another year that Dish will not have YES? Are the Yankees the only baseball team that can not be seen on Dish, well at least in the NY area? Now that MLB package is on dish I will be able to watch all the freaking baseball teams except for the one I root for. This is really pissing me off.

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 07:39 AM

too little..too late.. There may be a handfull of new subs but I would think the diehards left for D* long ago.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 08:44 AM

too little..too late.. There may be a handfull of new subs but I would think the diehards left for D* long ago.

I agree with this, but thinking about it, I'll bet that Dish is getting almost no new subs in Yankees territory. If a potential satellite sub can choose between "D* TC+ / locals / Yankees" or "E* AT120 / locals / No Yankees" for around the same price, I'll bet that in almost all cases the new sub will choose D*, even if they aren't really a Yankees fan.

If E* is getting creamed in new sub aquisitions in the NYC area, that may explain their willingness to continue negotiating with YES. Doesn't mean that Dish will add the channel, but it does mean there is still a chance.

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 08:53 AM

It don't sound like there is much to negotiate. The price and apparently the package were set by the arbitration. There maybe much we don't know about this situation, including whether a contract exists or not.

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 10:12 AM

If E* is getting creamed in new sub aquisitions in the NYC area, that may explain their willingness to continue negotiating with YES. Doesn't mean that Dish will add the channel, but it does mean there is still a chance.


I would think this is more of a reason to terminate negotiations.

In NYC and the surrounding areas, there isn't much of a new sub market left. Anyone who would get a satellite probably did it by now when Cablevision didn't carry YES.

E* is probably making a good business decision by just throwing in the towel on NY subs and not spending the money.

I jumped to D* two years ago after having given E* 1 1/2 years to work something out w/YES.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 11:48 AM

Nah, I don't buy that argument...... Only 20% of the market has satellite.... that leaves 80% to still be mined. I agree though that Yankee fans,and there are a LOT of them here, will NOT look at E*.

Then again, Met fans like me might LIKE the idea of sticking it to George by keeping those eyeballs away from the channel.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 12:41 PM

Bob,

Keep in mind in the NY Metro area, most people cannot get a south-western view, or can't mount a dish on a building, or are blocked by mountains or trees.

I think you're looking in the 40% of the market range for eligible satellite customers out of the 100% theoretical market. Of that 40%, 50% most likely have jumped into it (w/D* or E*), the others are happy with Cablevision (or TW in uptown Manhattan).

I think there are still more potential subs out there, but not enough for it to be worth the cost of YES to E*. They will be willing to sacrifice the remainder of the market, I think (truth be told in the evidence they have not inked a contract yet).

Mind you, I am just "assuming" these numbers and would love to have more solid evidence if it's available.

In the end, having YES on E* will be good for YES and makes me happy....but I don't think it will happen any time soon (and if I'm wrong, it's only a good thing for fans).
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 12:54 PM

Bob,

Keep in mind in the NY Metro area, most people cannot get a south-western view, or can't mount a dish on a building, or are blocked by mountains or trees.

I think you're looking in the 40% of the market range for eligible satellite customers out of the 100% theoretical market. Of that 40%, 50% most likely have jumped into it (w/D* or E*), the others are happy with Cablevision (or TW in uptown Manhattan).

I think there are still more potential subs out there, but not enough for it to be worth the cost of YES to E*. They will be willing to sacrifice the remainder of the market, I think (truth be told in the evidence they have not inked a contract yet).

Mind you, I am just "assuming" these numbers and would love to have more solid evidence if it's available.

In the end, having YES on E* will be good for YES and makes me happy....but I don't think it will happen any time soon (and if I'm wrong, it's only a good thing for fans).

The new york market is very multi cultural..E* has a HUGE advantage on international customers..they may not need YES

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 01:26 PM

The new york market is very multi cultural..E* has a HUGE advantage on international customers..they may not need YES


You are correct in that the signing of a contract with YES will not impact these customers.

Also, in NY, the need to have two dishes to get the international channels will also impact the available market as getting a view in NYC and the surrounding area is very tough. In the city, you have the buildings (all 5 boroughs) and in the suburbs, you have trees, obstacles, mountains, etc.

In summation, it still doesn't pay for E* to sign a contract w/YES, but for those customers who want it, I hope I'm wrong.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 01:36 PM

One other deciding factor may be the Extra Innings issue. To make it a complete package, I think E* would "have" to have YES. The problem now is that the season has started.....and still no deal.

My gut still says there will be no YES for a little while even with the arbitration w/Cablevision resolved. Somewhere in the $1.92 per sub range I think.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 01:42 PM

You are correct in that the signing of a contract with YES will not impact these customers.

Also, in NY, the need to have two dishes to get the international channels will also impact the available market as getting a view in NYC and the surrounding area is very tough. In the city, you have the buildings (all 5 boroughs) and in the suburbs, you have trees, obstacles, mountains, etc.

In summation, it still doesn't pay for E* to sign a contract w/YES, but for those customers who want it, I hope I'm wrong.

The newyork dma is huge includes parts of pa 1/2 of new jersey parts of upstate newyork(hudson valley)

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Posted 02 April 2004 - 07:18 AM

No sign of YES Network in the E* EI schedule.

Signs would be games on the 6th and 10th in the package and they are not.

Of course, no sign of the Victory Sports one or The RSTN via FSN Midwest alternate. The latter will probably show up.




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