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Rumor: YES Coming soon to E*


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#26 OFFLINE   JohnL

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 04:41 PM

What sucks is that even though we don't get YES in the NY area on Dish, the ESPN2 feed is blacked out here on Dish (for this mornings Yankee opener in Japan). WTF?


Oblio98,

It matters NOT that YES is not available on Dish. What matters is that YES has EXCLUSIVE rights to ALL IN Market Yankees fans. This means that NO Yankee's games can be carried on any other carrier unless YES Sells or grants a national carrier all local rights to a game for any and all subscribers in the Yankee's Local regional designated Market, which is ALL of New York State, and parts of the Tri-CITY around NYC.


Almost all Yankee games on YES are exclusive in market, whether you have access to YES or NOT, on your particular Multichannel providers system.

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#27 OFFLINE   Msguy

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 07:06 PM

Down with The YES Network and Down with the Yankees this year.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 10:19 AM

I hate to be the token pessimist. Seriously, who are we all kidding? We're not getting YES. The only thing that's been accomplished both here and on Satellite Guys is that we probably have given the Dish employees that browse these sites a good laugh. That's about it.

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 12:27 AM

Let’s get this deal done. It’s been 2 years now and no yes; isn’t that enough? Will it ever happen? The reason that I have kept dish network for the last 2 years is because my buddy has DTV and I can always go to his house to watch a game. I didn’t worry much because I thought that eventually a deal would have been reached between Yes and Dish.

It seems more and more likely that it is just never going to happen. Will this be another year that Dish will not have YES? Are the Yankees the only baseball team that can not be seen on Dish, well at least in the NY area? Now that MLB package is on dish I will be able to watch all the freaking baseball teams except for the one I root for. This is really pissing me off.

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 07:39 AM

too little..too late.. There may be a handfull of new subs but I would think the diehards left for D* long ago.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 08:44 AM

too little..too late.. There may be a handfull of new subs but I would think the diehards left for D* long ago.

I agree with this, but thinking about it, I'll bet that Dish is getting almost no new subs in Yankees territory. If a potential satellite sub can choose between "D* TC+ / locals / Yankees" or "E* AT120 / locals / No Yankees" for around the same price, I'll bet that in almost all cases the new sub will choose D*, even if they aren't really a Yankees fan.

If E* is getting creamed in new sub aquisitions in the NYC area, that may explain their willingness to continue negotiating with YES. Doesn't mean that Dish will add the channel, but it does mean there is still a chance.

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 08:53 AM

It don't sound like there is much to negotiate. The price and apparently the package were set by the arbitration. There maybe much we don't know about this situation, including whether a contract exists or not.

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 10:12 AM

If E* is getting creamed in new sub aquisitions in the NYC area, that may explain their willingness to continue negotiating with YES. Doesn't mean that Dish will add the channel, but it does mean there is still a chance.


I would think this is more of a reason to terminate negotiations.

In NYC and the surrounding areas, there isn't much of a new sub market left. Anyone who would get a satellite probably did it by now when Cablevision didn't carry YES.

E* is probably making a good business decision by just throwing in the towel on NY subs and not spending the money.

I jumped to D* two years ago after having given E* 1 1/2 years to work something out w/YES.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 11:48 AM

Nah, I don't buy that argument...... Only 20% of the market has satellite.... that leaves 80% to still be mined. I agree though that Yankee fans,and there are a LOT of them here, will NOT look at E*.

Then again, Met fans like me might LIKE the idea of sticking it to George by keeping those eyeballs away from the channel.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 12:41 PM

Bob,

Keep in mind in the NY Metro area, most people cannot get a south-western view, or can't mount a dish on a building, or are blocked by mountains or trees.

I think you're looking in the 40% of the market range for eligible satellite customers out of the 100% theoretical market. Of that 40%, 50% most likely have jumped into it (w/D* or E*), the others are happy with Cablevision (or TW in uptown Manhattan).

I think there are still more potential subs out there, but not enough for it to be worth the cost of YES to E*. They will be willing to sacrifice the remainder of the market, I think (truth be told in the evidence they have not inked a contract yet).

Mind you, I am just "assuming" these numbers and would love to have more solid evidence if it's available.

In the end, having YES on E* will be good for YES and makes me happy....but I don't think it will happen any time soon (and if I'm wrong, it's only a good thing for fans).
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 12:54 PM

Bob,

Keep in mind in the NY Metro area, most people cannot get a south-western view, or can't mount a dish on a building, or are blocked by mountains or trees.

I think you're looking in the 40% of the market range for eligible satellite customers out of the 100% theoretical market. Of that 40%, 50% most likely have jumped into it (w/D* or E*), the others are happy with Cablevision (or TW in uptown Manhattan).

I think there are still more potential subs out there, but not enough for it to be worth the cost of YES to E*. They will be willing to sacrifice the remainder of the market, I think (truth be told in the evidence they have not inked a contract yet).

Mind you, I am just "assuming" these numbers and would love to have more solid evidence if it's available.

In the end, having YES on E* will be good for YES and makes me happy....but I don't think it will happen any time soon (and if I'm wrong, it's only a good thing for fans).

The new york market is very multi cultural..E* has a HUGE advantage on international customers..they may not need YES

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 01:26 PM

The new york market is very multi cultural..E* has a HUGE advantage on international customers..they may not need YES


You are correct in that the signing of a contract with YES will not impact these customers.

Also, in NY, the need to have two dishes to get the international channels will also impact the available market as getting a view in NYC and the surrounding area is very tough. In the city, you have the buildings (all 5 boroughs) and in the suburbs, you have trees, obstacles, mountains, etc.

In summation, it still doesn't pay for E* to sign a contract w/YES, but for those customers who want it, I hope I'm wrong.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 01:36 PM

One other deciding factor may be the Extra Innings issue. To make it a complete package, I think E* would "have" to have YES. The problem now is that the season has started.....and still no deal.

My gut still says there will be no YES for a little while even with the arbitration w/Cablevision resolved. Somewhere in the $1.92 per sub range I think.
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Posted 01 April 2004 - 01:42 PM

You are correct in that the signing of a contract with YES will not impact these customers.

Also, in NY, the need to have two dishes to get the international channels will also impact the available market as getting a view in NYC and the surrounding area is very tough. In the city, you have the buildings (all 5 boroughs) and in the suburbs, you have trees, obstacles, mountains, etc.

In summation, it still doesn't pay for E* to sign a contract w/YES, but for those customers who want it, I hope I'm wrong.

The newyork dma is huge includes parts of pa 1/2 of new jersey parts of upstate newyork(hudson valley)

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Posted 02 April 2004 - 07:18 AM

No sign of YES Network in the E* EI schedule.

Signs would be games on the 6th and 10th in the package and they are not.

Of course, no sign of the Victory Sports one or The RSTN via FSN Midwest alternate. The latter will probably show up.

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 01:00 AM

I've read all the posts. If you are a die hard Yankee Fan wanting a dish and you are wanting to View Yankees games this season. I would say get a Direc Tv System Subscribe to Extra Innings and you will by no means have any trouble getting Yankees games. Every YES game on Extra Innings last year was available home and road on YES. Even for out of Yankee Territory Viewers. I know because Every Single Yankees game last year was available on YES and Blacked out on the other Teams RSN home and Road and it's probably going to be the same way this season. I live nowhere near N.Y. Yankees territory here in Mississippi. One good thing was if the Yankees had an ESPN game or ESPN 2 game last year i had a choice of watching the ESPN Feed or YES. Also Note that Wednesday Night ESPN Games and Games Available in your Local Market will not be the only 2 or 3 games available this season. The Wednesday Night Blackout Rule has been lifted and on Extra Innings this season you will be able to see up to 60 games per week for the entire season as the blackout rule was actually lifted last season but this season it is lifted for the entire season. This is the best news because no more settling for the ESPN Games and sitting there twiddling your thumbs about ready to explode because a game you are so desperately wanting to view is blacked out. Thank God for that.

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Posted 05 April 2004 - 09:13 AM

So, MLB EI gives a sub full access to YES or just the games?
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Posted 05 April 2004 - 09:18 AM

So, MLB EI gives a sub full access to YES or just the games?


Just the games and so far only on DirecTV and cable. Also, there is some indication that YES Network will not be used as much this season as in the past.

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Posted 05 April 2004 - 12:40 PM

See thread on Satellite Guys ... CSR screens show info that *may* lead one to believe that YES could still end up on E* this year.

http://www.satellite...24&page=7&pp=15

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Posted 06 April 2004 - 12:00 PM

And now the bad news ... on today's Retailer Chat it was stated that there will be *no* YES Network on Dish.

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Posted 06 April 2004 - 02:47 PM

SHOCK!! AWE!!!! SURPRISE!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!

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Posted 06 April 2004 - 08:11 PM

Dish Network... I can't believe that there is going to be ANOTHER year with no yanks on dish. Even Cablevision has it. Why couldn't a deal be reached? Is this an anti yankee thing that I am not aware of? Is the person in charge of getting a deal done a Red Sox fan?

Soon the Devils will be on YES and that will be another team that I will not be able to see if I don't switch to DTV or Cablevision. Oh well at least the people that are not in the NY Area will enjoy seeing the Yankee games on E* with this crappy MLB package... What a joke!

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Posted 07 April 2004 - 07:51 AM

Can we change the name of this thread to reflect reality? Its obvious that this channel will never be on E*

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Posted 07 April 2004 - 03:26 PM

Why is Dish Network being so cheap? Do they think they are special and deserve a better deal then Cablevision or DTV? Dish Network says No to YES for the 3rd year in a row.

Dish has 9.4 million customers now. Imagine how many more customers; especially in the NY area, they could have had. Some people are dying to go back to Dish Network. But they don’t because they refuse to add the YES network.

Maybe Charlie wants to save the money to add more porno stations.

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Posted 07 April 2004 - 06:15 PM

Why is Dish Network being so cheap? Do they think they are special and deserve a better deal then Cablevision or DTV? Dish Network says No to YES for the 3rd year in a row.

Dish has 9.4 million customers now. Imagine how many more customers; especially in the NY area, they could have had. Some people are dying to go back to Dish Network. But they don?t because they refuse to add the YES network.

Maybe Charlie wants to save the money to add more porno stations.

maybe he hates the Yankees




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