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#1 OFFLINE   cdru

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 02:15 PM

According to CNNSi, Bonds may be out for the season due to his most recent knee surgery. I'm glad I didn't draft him as my first round draft pick in my fantasy league.

What I find more interesting then him not playing was in the following paragraph:
"Bonds said he was tired and disappointed following a winter in which he was accused of steroid use, his grand jury testimony was leaked and he had two knee operations. He blamed his troubles on the media."

I find inconceivable is how get gets off blaming his troubles on the media. You know Barry, if you wouldn't have put yourself in this situation, you wouldn't have this problem.

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#2 OFFLINE   SamC

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 04:16 PM

Jerk.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:15 PM

WOW. Hank Aaron's record may have just been saved.
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:21 PM

Jerk.

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 08:44 AM

Just out of curiosity, are you one of those who thinks Rose should be in the HoF?

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 12:07 PM

Don't know about them, but I believe Rose belongs in the HOF. True, I'm a Reds fan, but I always loved the way he played the game. He messed up, that's for sure, but given the way his quasi-lifetime ban was written and handled (Rose not admitting gambling, MLB claiming no evidence, and even Giamatti's violation of the agreement), he deserves a chance at reinstatement as per the agreement. Gambling is the ultimate evil in baseball only because of the Black Sox scandal and it's time to make a change.

Regarding Bonds, I'm curious if he's just laying low for a season for the hooplah regarding steroids to fade. He'll come back in 2006, and if he does bad (without steroids) he'll blame it on the media and injuries.

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 01:17 PM

Don't know about them, but I believe Rose belongs in the HOF.

I would agree. Rose's gambling, while tarnishing his reputation, never effected his game play in a negative way. Gabling never gave him an advantage over other players, if anything it would give an avantage to other players at his exense (e.g. throwing a game).

Regarding Bonds, I'm curious if he's just laying low for a season for the hooplah regarding steroids to fade. He'll come back in 2006, and if he does bad (without steroids) he'll blame it on the media and injuries.

I was thinking that yesterday reading the article. What better scapegoat for him. So next year if/when he returns and is "clean" and not able to perform to his last few seasons performance, he conveniently can blame it on his season off due to rehabilitation.

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 01:26 PM

Just out of curiosity, are you one of those who thinks Rose should be in the HoF?


No i do not think he should it was against the rules of Baseball!! Steriods on the other hand was not and not becuase of the players. The owners new about this since Brady anderson hit 50 Homers MLB new about the steriods in the Majors!! Thats why they black balled Jose canseco. He tried to come clean a few years ago. Smaller parks more teams= watered down pitchers. Lowering the pichers mound all to get more runs so fans could come back out. Steriods did not help all players get better. Jason Giambi did not hit 70 home runs. It does however let poeple like Mark and Barry play more then half the season instead of 81 game they are playing 140 games or whatever you get the point.
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Posted 23 March 2005 - 01:28 PM

There's one of baseball's ironies.

Rose breaks the only one-strike-and-you're-out rule in baseball (gambling) and people want him in the Hall *anyway*. (My personal view is that Rose has to get in line behind Shoeless Joe Jackson. Only when Jackson's injustice is rescinded should Rose even be *considered*. Jackson was banned for not ratting his teammates out - and that's not in the rules).

Bonds breaks NO baseball rules - none that were in effect at the time - and people want his numbers stripped.

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 05:39 PM

IMHO, Rose bet ON his own team, and (along with a lot of retired players who were not made examples of) cheated on his income taxes.

OK.

There is zero point zero evidence that his effort on the field was anything but his honest effort at doing his best.

Contrast (assuming a proper amount of proof, which we will see forthcoming) :

Bonds and all of his steroid cheat buddies. Guilty of major drug felonies, much more serious than minor tax evasion. Guilty of perjury before a federal Grand Jury. And every action he took on the field from the first day he took illegal drugs through today is, by defination, void. Every time he came to bat, if he had followed the rules, he should have truned to the umpire and said "sir, I am a steriod cheat". He did not and thus whatever followed was a void, illegal, illigitmate, cheating, act. We know his legitimate, legal, honest numbers: 0 HR, 0 MVP tiles, .000 BA, 0 RBIs, etc. Hardly HoF numbers.

Meanwhile baned "for life" like Steinbrener is let back in. Steinbrener's actions are as much more serious than Rose's as murder is from speeding.

And baseball takes ads, money, and such from casinos of all types.

And you have, at best, plausable deniabilty about steroids by Selig, Fehr, and 100s of others in management.

Baseball should not only put Rose in the HoF, whoever replaces Selig should crawl on his belly to appoligize to him for the injustice and hypocracy of his ban.

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 07:24 PM

There's one of baseball's ironies.

Rose breaks the only one-strike-and-you're-out rule in baseball (gambling) and people want him in the Hall *anyway*. (My personal view is that Rose has to get in line behind Shoeless Joe Jackson. Only when Jackson's injustice is rescinded should Rose even be *considered*. Jackson was banned for not ratting his teammates out - and that's not in the rules).

Bonds breaks NO baseball rules - none that were in effect at the time - and people want his numbers stripped.



I totally agree with you on this!! Shoeless Joe Jackson Should have been in LONG AGO!!
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Posted 23 March 2005 - 07:33 PM

IMHO, Rose bet ON his own team, and (along with a lot of retired players who were not made examples of) cheated on his income taxes.

OK.

There is zero point zero evidence that his effort on the field was anything but his honest effort at doing his best.

Contrast (assuming a proper amount of proof, which we will see forthcoming) :

Bonds and all of his steroid cheat buddies. Guilty of major drug felonies, much more serious than minor tax evasion. Guilty of perjury before a federal Grand Jury. And every action he took on the field from the first day he took illegal drugs through today is, by defination, void. Every time he came to bat, if he had followed the rules, he should have truned to the umpire and said "sir, I am a steriod cheat". He did not and thus whatever followed was a void, illegal, illigitmate, cheating, act. We know his legitimate, legal, honest numbers: 0 HR, 0 MVP tiles, .000 BA, 0 RBIs, etc. Hardly HoF numbers.

Meanwhile baned "for life" like Steinbrener is let back in. Steinbrener's actions are as much more serious than Rose's as murder is from speeding.

And baseball takes ads, money, and such from casinos of all types.

And you have, at best, plausable deniabilty about steroids by Selig, Fehr, and 100s of others in management.

Baseball should not only put Rose in the HoF, whoever replaces Selig should crawl on his belly to appoligize to him for the injustice and hypocracy of his ban.


I do understand your point of view on this but... Until MLB Look at every black player in the Negro Leagues and say we are sorry we cheated you and did not let you play!! Also when we played exhibitions games against you and never WON. We are sorry we said the game meant nothing to use we did not feel good?! Until MLB redo the record books and give the money and fame to the guys who really broke the records then i will listen to BARRY and MARK!! Lets not forget MR mark IS guilty to!! So many people are mad at Barry. What about MARK TOO???
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Posted 23 March 2005 - 07:46 PM

Bonds says the media all brought him and his family down. He didn't do anything but bring himself down. He used Sterroids and couldn't remember exactly what he was putting into his body? I have no sympathy for Barry. And I have no sympathy for any baseball player who "juiced" up. We will all know in time when these players start getting older and there bodies start deteriorating rapidly and some of them die, Yes some could die from the sterroids use later on in life. The players can all deny it now. But later on in life Time will Tell.

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 09:51 AM

There's one of baseball's ironies.

Rose breaks the only one-strike-and-you're-out rule in baseball (gambling) and people want him in the Hall *anyway*. (My personal view is that Rose has to get in line behind Shoeless Joe Jackson. Only when Jackson's injustice is rescinded should Rose even be *considered*. Jackson was banned for not ratting his teammates out - and that's not in the rules).

Bonds breaks NO baseball rules - none that were in effect at the time - and people want his numbers stripped.


To me, you're pointing to yet another of baseball's ironies. Hang on to some traditions that make no sense, but throw other traditions out the window (such as letting an All-Star game have a winner).

Gambling is a bad thing for the sport, but not like taking a bribe to throw a game like the Black Sox did. The gambling "curse" needs to be revised given the times that we're in. If you deliberately throw a game, you SHOULD be banned (perhaps for life). If you gamble on a game, you should be punished, but not banned.

Jackson is banned because nobody wants to do anything about it because of the tradition. Rose will suffer the same fate. The steroid issue is a symptom of the same disease: status quo. There has been no strong drug policy implemented because there never WAS a policy and baseball didn't want to change. Jackson is banned because he's always been banned, not simply because of what he was accused of doing. The tradition has taken over the reasoning.

I want baseball to hang on to the tradition of the game, but not to the point of where they become irrelevant. There are laws around the country that are still on the books but have absolutely no relevance to this day and age. Baseball suffers the same problem but they refuse to change outdated thinking.

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 08:26 AM

Bonds is just a poster boy for the most SCREWED-UP major sports league in America!!!




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