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Why Can't Dish Offer The Same HD As DTV?
Posted 04 April 2005 - 09:00 AM
OK, so I'm building a new home in the northwest Oregon area, near the Columbia River. Believe me, this home is going to have the mac-daddiest home theater I can afford. The basement is being custom-made with a 2-tiered floor, huge screen - well I could go on and on. The point is I want everything to be perfect.
I've been scrutinizing everything I can for Dish vs DTV. At my previous residence in CA I've had SD Dish for years and been fine with it. With HDTV there's a whole new cat in the house and I need advice.
So far everything I can find leads me to want to stay with Dish, as I love what that 942 can do and I like Dish's pricing and packages and promotions. But there are two features that DirecTV has that I wish Dish had. One is the ethernet port on the back of the Tivo so you can download your movies (I used to use DishRip on my 7100 to pull movies off and burn em to DVD - no way to do that with the 942 that I can see).
Second, and the big one: What is it that DirecTV has that lets them offer the networks in HD to way more people? I'm not talking about local channels; I could give a rat's *** about my local news. I'm talking about just ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/UPN in high def. According to Dish, I'm eligible for the locals package out of Portland. But that's not HD. According to antennaweb, I can't get Portland's HD networks OTA, although my antenna-guru friends say it's about 50 miles LOS and I'm up on a hill so it's likely I can. I asked Dish if I could get the HD networks from LA and they said no, not in my market. I asked DirecTV and they said no problem, that if I got their HD package I would automatically get networks out of LA or NY in HD. Why can DirecTV offer this and Dish can't? That's a real set back.
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Posted 04 April 2005 - 09:08 AM
Posted 04 April 2005 - 09:38 AM
I would see what I could get OTA before making an investment in D*. For the amount it costs to purchase a standard HD IRD from D* you could lease upgrade to a 942. That's significant I think.
...According to antennaweb, I can't get Portland's HD networks OTA, although my antenna-guru friends say it's about 50 miles LOS and I'm up on a hill so it's likely I can...
Posted 04 April 2005 - 09:51 AM
Posted 04 April 2005 - 10:12 AM
But there are two features that DirecTV has that I wish Dish had. One is the ethernet port on the back of the Tivo so you can download your movies (I used to use DishRip on my 7100 to pull movies off and burn em to DVD - no way to do that with the 942 that I can see).
THe port on the back of the HDTivo is not active. Nor do I think it will become active. As much as I like my DirecTV, Tivo is on its way out with D* and on its way to Comcast and other providers who will provide long term agreements with them to support software and hardware development. With Newscorp's own DVR software and hardware scheme coming this way this summer/fall/winter, don't expect too much more out of Tivo in the way of development. Just look at the development thus far, no new product announcements at CES and the guides are still terribly slow. D* is not their highest priority now, so don't expect the home networking option to work anytime soon on the D* Tivos.
Posted 04 April 2005 - 07:13 PM
TiVo is NOT going to activate the network connection on DirecTiVo boxes, since DirecTV has discontinued its agreement with TiVo.
Now only stand-alone units are networkable, and MAYBE next year they will network the units with DVD recorders built in.
Posted 04 April 2005 - 07:31 PM
I have to agree with Gary again
Posted 05 April 2005 - 01:10 AM
What do you mean by "HD Lite"? I figured the HD networks out of LA or NY would be the same? D* and E* both carry them, but D* lets you have them in a lot more non-LA or non-NY markets, like Oregon, apparently. I don't get why E* can't do that too. Clarify?
Posted 05 April 2005 - 01:34 AM
Long story short, even though a CSR is saying one thing, the end result will be another. People say DTV has HDTVLite because DirecTV uses so much compression in the datastream for its HDTV programming that the quality isn't as good compared to DishNetwork which uses extremly little compression (if any) for its HDTV. The best bet, assuming you dont want the few HD stations that DirecTV does have as opposed to Echostar for the time being is to pick up the 942 and mount an antenna as high in the sky as you can. Remember with UHF, the farther the signal, the higher you need to have the antenna to pull it in. I know where I live, someone I know has an antenna tower that is 125feet. The thing is stupid big. However he can pull in HDTV stations from markets over 100miles away (as well as lots of Analog stations from markets as far as 175miles away (although it is NTSC and not ASTC so the quality isnt great, and obviously by 2009 wont even be available anymore unless the stations come in via ASTC at Full Power)). If you dont mind a large antenna, that is the way to go as may/probably will pull in stuff from Eugene, Seattle and who else knows where once a lot of these stations go to Full Power (as many are only broadcasting at lower powers for the time being).
Obviously, there is a chance that it wont come in but a big antenna in Portland would probably get that, plus some other stragglers...
942 looks like the way to go (too bad for no MPEG4)
NOTE: I dont really think there is anything DirecTV can give you rule wise that Dish can not, unless it is per an agreement that has been made for exclusive rights such as NFL Sunday Ticket, or Dish does not carry the station such as YES/TREO
Posted 05 April 2005 - 05:34 AM
Posted 05 April 2005 - 06:47 AM
The only network affiliate O&O in Atlanta is Fox.
off hand, I believe Atlanta is a market like this
There are only 4 markets where all 4 Networks are O&O. They are New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.
Posted 05 April 2005 - 07:07 AM
Posted 05 April 2005 - 10:14 AM
The system that has served these industries is coming apart, and they are doing everything they can to keep it the way it has been, whether we like it or not. I'm not supporting them. Just explaining the situation.
Posted 06 April 2005 - 09:02 AM
45~50 miles with a good antenna should work, maybe add a 10db amp. I have found out with digital OTA you need a much better signal than with analog.
If the MMPA had there way no one would be able to save content.
I still have a PC with O/S2 Warp 4 on it. When I did grudgingly go Win98SE I discovered the joys of have to reboot daily.
Posted 06 April 2005 - 07:10 PM
Don't believe me? Wander to the DirecTv forum and see the other side of the argument... from customers who want to know why they don't qualify.
DirecTv is advertising them and dangling the carrot... but unless you're one of the handful of markets that qualify, then you're comparing apples to oranges. For folks in those qualifying markets, I can certainly see why DirecTv would be more attractive.