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Voom is dead on April 30th?


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#26 OFFLINE   Richard King

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 05:54 PM

Oops, you are correct. Cablevision tried, but lost. Comcast and TW teamed together and won. So much for the theory I stated above.
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#27 OFFLINE   larrystotler

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 07:02 PM

Correct. Comcast and TimeWarner Cable have been working on a agreement to get Adelphia's assests. The will give Comcast about 5 million subs instead of getting cash from TW that is owed them, and thus allowing the avoidance of a lot of taxes. Cablevision came in at the last minute, but they were pretty much ignored. It's kinda funny considering that they've been loosing money on Voom, but can afford to bid for another cable company.

As for the price, this is the reality of the US consumer. He'll pay $3000 for an HD TV, but will balk at paying $30/month to actually enjoy it.
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Posted 08 April 2005 - 09:49 PM

the HDTV viewers of America failed. They failed to recognize the heights to which HDTV can aspire; they failed to support a truly superior HD product; they failed to seize the opportunity to improve their lives with quality HD television, but worst of all, they failed to vote for the future of better HD programming.


Blah, blah, blah. Sorry, but the "viewers of America" want their Primetime shows in HD. Period. They want the networks in HD. Heck, _I_ want the networks in HD.

The problem with VOOM -- and any satellite-based HD at the current time, in my opinion -- is the lack of network channels in HD due to regulations that feel illogical and outdated.

The "viewers of america" are unlikely to subscribe to HD services that can't give them their primary primetime shows in HD. They watch them in SD now -- see the "Available in HD!" logos -- and they WANT THAT. They aren't watching some old Godzilla flick in SD and going "I wish I could subscribe to a channel where all of these old Monster movies were shown in HD."

That's VOOM, unfortunately.

So, what "failed" is the government. They are pushing regulations to move to digital TV and encouraging HD in the future -- but they aren't allowing us to watch the most popular stuff now, so it isn't going over well (on satellite, at least).

I see that as the "failure" -- THAT is the problem -- not Voom and not "the views of america." Voom couldn't offer what they viewers of america want -- because of legal reasons. That doomed it, in my opinion.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 09:54 PM

Just wanted to document my most recent VOOM email. I called earlier today and scheduled and install for an amplifier (they originally brought the Sensar and it picked up one OTA channel -- but only at night. During the day, it would fluctuate constantly from 80 to 20 and never lock -- so they upgraded me to an 8-bay, but wanted to try it without the amplifier first -- same thing (or even worse) as the Sensar -- so we just scheduled the amplifier addition). About an hour (or less) after I scheduled it, VOOM changed their main page to announce that they were not taking new customers and not doing any new installs or other such scheduled things -- and added that those already scheduled would get an email soon.

Well, I got that email, and thought that I'd share it here for those interested:

"We're sorry to inform you that VOOM will discontinue providing service as of April 30, 2005. As a result, we have cancelled your scheduled service visit. You will not be billed for service beyond the date we received your service request. If you have any questions you may call 1-800-GET-VOOM. Once again, please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.

Thank you,
VOOM"

From that, I'm guessing that they will not charge me for service starting today -- which is fairly interesting. I assume that for everyone else, they are charging through the 30th.

Just wanted to pass it along.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 11:12 PM

The problem with the Digital Locals(not HD - no such thing) is that the National Association of Broadcasters(the NAB) are more interested in protecting their fiefdom's ability to generate revenue through commercials than they are in helping to get the digital channels to people so they can watch it in "HD where available". When you go back to the "In Stereo where available", it was a good many years before a majority of TVs were stereo, and I'll bet that most 20" and smaller sets are still mono. And that was 20 some years ago. While the transition to the Digital Locals will be a nice change for many people, many people won't even be able to get the digital channels with their current equipment and will be unwilling to pay $50-100 for an ATSC tuner to plug into their $89 Wally world TV. If the FCC and the NAB was serious about the ATSC conversion, all TVs manufactered over the past few years would have the ATSC tuner, regardless of what size. It it has been implemented years ago, it would be more widespread now. Even now, when you buy an HD TV, it may not have the ATSC tuner in it.

Further, with the Digital Locals on Sat, the HD programs require much more bandwidth than the digital programs, and there is only so much space available on the sats. E* has a very profitable item in their International channels, and it's probably more profitable than their HD Pack. People just aren't will to pay the extra $10 a month to use their TV as it was meant to be used. At least once a week I install an SD receiver on a HD TV because the sub is too cheap to pay the extra $$. It's the Wal-Mart mentality.
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 05:26 AM

As for the price, this is the reality of the US consumer. He'll pay $3000 for an HD TV, but will balk at paying $30/month to actually enjoy it.


I don't actually see what's wrong with that line of thinking... If you pay $3000 for something, then someone tells you that you can't really use it unless you pay another $30+ a month for the rest of your life... well, the argument could be "Hey, I paid $3000, it better do something besides sit there!"

$3000 is a lot of money out of pocket... some folks pay it off over the course of 1-2 years too...

From my perspective, I'm paying $80 roughly now on Satellite... if I had to pay another $30 for HD... that would be pushing my limits financially. The way Voom was right now, I'd have had to pay $50 a month and if I kept my Dish for everything else, I'd still be paying another $70 to them if I dropped the Dish HD pack... that's a lot of monthly moolah.

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 05:46 AM

Duh! Spend $3k on an HDTV to only watch analog cable and SD on sat? :nono2:

Too cheap or too broke to get HD programming? Don't spend your money on an HDTV! Go buy groceries instead, and get a lottery ticket while you're at it.:rolleyes:

Stupid is as stupid does. I have no sympathy. :shrug:

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 07:19 AM

People are also mis-informed by the sales people, some of whom are completely clueless as to what they are selling. People think that with an HD TV, ALL their programming will automatically be in HD. It's just like the misconception that ATSC is HD locals, when in fact it is digital/multicast, and in HD when and where available. HD is more expensive than SD, all the way around. I have customers who have gone to great lengths to try to not pay for the HD programming. It's definately idiotic in my opinion as well.
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 10:17 AM

Too cheap or too broke to get HD programming? Don't spend your money on an HDTV! Go buy groceries instead, and get a lottery ticket while you're at it.:rolleyes:

Stupid is as stupid does. I have no sympathy. :shrug:


Although, that still ignores my point about availability. I'd pay significant amounts of cash to get the networks in HD. It just isn't available.

It isn't that I'm not willing to pay $30/month for HD. It is that I'm not willing to pay $30/month for HD that doesn't include the channels that I primarily watch: the networks in primetime.

It doesn't mean I'm stupid nor cheap. It just means that I'm not going to pay for HD that doesn't interest me much.

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 10:29 AM

I think it should be a happy day... yes Voom is going under but the Rainbow-21 suite will be an exciting add-on to current services. I would have to say that whoever gets the channels first would get my vote for my provider for the next couple years. I have been hungering for many of the Voom channels for a while but with my busy schedule I MUST have a dvr. With the add-on it will be a great addition to Cablevision's portfolio, as well as a chance for HD to grow considerably in the masses.


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Posted 09 April 2005 - 01:13 PM

Duh! Spend $3k on an HDTV to only watch analog cable and SD on sat? :nono2:

Too cheap or too broke to get HD programming? Don't spend your money on an HDTV! Go buy groceries instead, and get a lottery ticket while you're at it.:rolleyes:

Stupid is as stupid does. I have no sympathy. :shrug:


I spent $3K on an HDTV and I don't receive HD!
I bought my Sony KP-53HS10 (Sony's first non-XBR bigscreen HDTV) when it first came out about 6 years ago. Since then I have had a couple of HD receivers, but I only kept them for a very short period because of lack of programming. What I mean is that my locals only went HD about a year ago or so ago. And out of everything they broadcast all day long the only thing you're gonna see in HD is only SOME of the primetime stuff! Sure, most of the sports are HD, but I only like football. And lots of the HD they show doesn't look that great. I was watching a golf tournament ONLY because I wanted to show off the HD picture to a friend and golf was the ONLY thing being broadcast in HD at that particular time (no big surpise there!). Only some of the angles looked like good HD. Others looked like crap. I then did some research and read where only half of the cameras CBS was using were HD capable! What a hack job! Also the ABC affiliate here has a bad audio lag problem on their HD feed that isn't there on the analog feed. I guess they figure you can either have a decent analog picture w/ sound in sync, or a pretty HD picture w/ screwed up sound!!! On top of that, the HD picture from my local Fox channel is MUCH brighter than the analog version and the other HD channels! I don't subscribe to the HD pack through my satelite provider because $10 is too much for the crap those 4 or 5 channels show over and over and over and..., well you get the idea.
BUT, you see, I didn't buy my HD-ready bigscreen TV six years ago just for some future HD broadcasts! I bought it because it's picture, when displaying 480p video from DVD and line-doubled 480i video from my OTA antenna and my satellite receiver, simply KILLED the picture from a non-HD ready bigsreen TV! If my TV died today, I feel like I got my $3K worth out of it for the years of vastly improved 480i & 480p images it gave me over a non-HD ready bigscreen!

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 02:39 PM

When Voom first began I bought 3 of their receivers. Can these be used or modified to be used on Dish or Direct TV?

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 02:40 PM

No, sorry.

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 02:57 PM

No, sorry.

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Wonderful!
Why isn't someone buying their customer base I wonder?
Then at least they might support the existing equipment?

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 03:08 PM

Probably because exactly that -- it isn't worth buying the customer base for the limited number of people that VOOM has if you have to support them at all.

I could see MAYBE someone buying it (D* or E*) to try to make VOOM people an offer to go to their services -- but neither really offers enough HD to even compare.

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 05:21 PM

With differences in encoding and compression, etc. etc. etc. Neither of the other DBS providers would be able to support the hardware in the Voom boxes anyways. Those were built by Motorola specifically for the Voom system and its software. Your best bet is to eat the loss and sign up for one of the good promo's that either DBS company has going right now or look into what your local cable company has to offer. Being a switcher, the cable company will more than likely make you a great deal on credits etc, if you offer up your equipment and/or dish.
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Posted 12 April 2005 - 10:42 PM

Motorola also builds boxes for the Star Choice system. I think the firmware can be modified for it. SC should be able to buy these up.

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 06:30 PM

Wonderful!
Why isn't someone buying their customer base I wonder?
Then at least they might support the existing equipment?


The high cost of keeping all of the upload equipment, Satellite transmitter space and all of the other associated cost, would have to be continued by the company buying the customer base or else the equipment would be useless. Voom equipment is set up to receive the signals transmitted from the VOOM head end equipment being sent up to the satellite. That is a cost that we know is a loosing investment.

I know when I switched from C-Band satellite, to my pizza pan system, I looked at all of the different systems and felt that VOOM was better for the high definition programing but their sports was really lacking and that their basic programing didn't off any where as much programing as DirecTv or Dish did. Plus no NFL package on Dish made up my mind in a hurry, to go with DirecTv. I am sure a lot of others felt the same way when looking at the original VOOM package, that was offered over a year ago. Yes, it did improve a little as time went on, but I think their big mistake was puting it on the market originally with to little programing.

I hope when DirecTV launches their new satellite with 1500 HD channels, some will be new HD programing and not just locals in HD, that you can already get OTA. :confused:

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 09:15 PM

That's 4 satellites for up to 1500 Locals channels and a possible 150 NationalHD channels. No word yet on whether they even have any national HDs ready to go.
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:08 AM

Duh! Spend $3k on an HDTV to only watch analog cable and SD on sat? :nono2:

Too cheap or too broke to get HD programming? Don't spend your money on an HDTV! Go buy groceries instead, and get a lottery ticket while you're at it.:rolleyes:

Stupid is as stupid does. I have no sympathy. :shrug:


Ouch! A little harsh, don't you think? :lol: But I totally agree with you. Personally, I factored in all monthly satellite costs (including the E* HD Pak) prior to making the initial HDTV investment. After all, HDTVs are hardly the only consumer product out there that requires additional capital outlay on a regular basis (try buying car, for instance, and never gassing it up, let alone getting it tuned regularly, and see how far you get).

Granted, due to the dearth of any real HD programming out there even from the networks, the vast majority of HDTV owners buy their sets to enjoy anamorphic DVDs displayed at 480p, a definite and distinct improvement over letterboxed DVDs played back on SD sets, to be sure. However, I made it a point to hold off on buying my set until I was certain I could confortably afford the additional cost of my provider's HD package, skimpy and miniscule as it is. Why? Because it would simply kill me to know that I was not getting the most that my set had to offer, whether I paid $3000 for it or merely $300! Sure, the fact that we even have to pay ANYTHING more for satellite HD absolutely SUCKS! But it is what it is, and it's presently out of our control if we want to get the most out of our hobby--and our investment.

Of course, we could simply choose not to pay up--as many have opted to do--but what would be the fun in that? This is leisure time activity--we aren't really doing anything constructive like trying to cure cancer. If folks want to play, then they've got to pay. Otherwise, why bother? So, to those who have SD receivers on HD sets, do yourself a favor and upgrade as soon as you feasibly can. Take it from me, you'll find yourselves smiling a lot more. :D
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 07:49 AM

Ouch! A little harsh, don't you think? :lol: But I totally agree with you... :D

Well, we don't do PC down here. Except for the politicians, we pretty much tell it like it is.

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 10:14 AM

The Newsday article which talked about the bogus consumer group Charles Dolan created to try and sway the FCC to stop the Rainbow 1 sale mentioned an interesting stat......

E* takes 10 DAYS to generate 40,000 new subscribers. V* took 18 months to get to that point.

They don't NEED to do anything to get those subscribers. (I'm guessing half of them already subscribe to either D* or E* already in addition to V*)
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 01:38 PM

Well, we don't do PC down here. Except for the politicians, we pretty much tell it like it is.

Well, I love it, Nick! :hurah: :lol: :D
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 03:19 PM

The Newsday article which talked about the bogus consumer group Charles Dolan created to try and sway the FCC to stop the Rainbow 1 sale mentioned an interesting stat......

E* takes 10 DAYS to generate 40,000 new subscribers. V* took 18 months to get to that point.

They don't NEED to do anything to get those subscribers. (I'm guessing half of them already subscribe to either D* or E* already in addition to V*)

I'd bet a southern-fried Twinkie you are spot on, Bob. I never looked at VOOM as a SA service and I never watched their SD channels. For me, it was all about the unique HD programming.

I already have two dishes looking at 61.5 so I'm ready for the conversion! :grin:

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 03:35 PM

Hopefully, E* will add Cinemax, TMC, and Starz HD. I would also like to see Universal HD.

For existing E* subs, they are offering a $50 one time payment and $5 a month lease on the 811. I took the deal cuz I do not want a useless box after the MPEG-4 switchover.

It is too bad on VOOM, I hate to see the loss of competition, but they were really out on a limb with the shareholders over the losses being incurred. :(




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