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The Official July 8 Charlie Chat Discussion thread


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#51 OFFLINE   Steve Mehs

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 09:09 PM

:( Too bad Tony :(

NGC was confirmed for Friday
Fox Sports West 2 gets add 'soon'
2 or 3 more cities to go up (I forgot what they were already)
Disc HD to be on 148 sometime next month
8PSK apaptors will be free w/ 1 year commitment of Disc HD or $49 without, up untill Aug 1st, $99 after that

Thats about it :)
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#52 OFFLINE   Darkman

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 09:18 PM

Originally posted by TNGTony
Sorry folks...no Charlie summary this month! I forgot to record it at 9 and there is no replay at 11! Doh!!! So I take it nothing big happened?

See ya
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Tony! :(
j/k - we ll just have to survive somehow without your great Summary...

and lately the chat often is not repeated the same night neither...

anyhow - here are the Rebroadcast dates (so i think the soonest you can Watch it Live or have delayed summary is on Fri :) )

Friday, July 12, 2002
10:00 p.m. ET

Saturday, July 13, 2002
5:00 a.m. ET

Saturday, July 13, 2002
7:00 p.m. ET

Saturday, July 13, 2002
10:00 p.m. ET

Sunday, July 14, 2002
9:00 p.m. ET

Sunday, July 14, 2002
11:00 p.m. ET

Monday, July 15, 2002
9:00 p.m. ET

Monday, July 15, 2002
11:00 p.m. ET

Friday, July 19, 2002
10:00 p.m. ET

Saturday, July 20, 2002
5:00 a.m. ET

Saturday, July 20, 2002
7:00 p.m. ET

Saturday, July 20, 2002
9:00 p.m. ET

Sunday, July 21, 2002
9:00 p.m. ET

Sunday, July 21, 2002
11:00 p.m. ET

Monday, July 22, 2002
9:00 p.m. ET

Monday, July 22, 2002
11:00 p.m. ET

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 09:20 PM

The cities were Tucson, AZ and Burlington, West Virginia. Thats all I can remember.
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Posted 08 July 2002 - 09:24 PM

Originally posted by TNGTony
... there is no replay at 11! Doh!!!
Tony


Conveniently forgetting about west coasters.
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Posted 08 July 2002 - 09:32 PM

I missed it too. Busy getting DSL / AOL working. Tony how could you forget?

I tried to record it earlier today, it wasnt listed in the dP guide and I didnt have time to set a manual timer. Fact is I guess I NEVER have used one:(

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 09:34 PM

Bob - hehe

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Steve Mehs
[BFox Sports West 2 gets add 'soon'
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Really!?! Any type of a time frame given at all like this Winter? Thanks!

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 10:26 PM

why can't they rerun the chat at 11PM? I mean how many times do you need to see the remote control help channel.

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 10:27 PM

They mentioned 1st of September.

Fox Sports West 2 and National Geographic are pretty good news. At least on the forums, I've seen a lot of requests for them. In the case of Fox 2, it's been more like a lot of complaining about it not being there. :)

edit: September for FSW2, not for the Chat replay.;) Sparker sneaked in ahead of me.

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Steve Mehs
:( Too bad Tony :(

NGC was confirmed for Friday
Fox Sports West 2 gets add 'soon'
2 or 3 more cities to go up (I forgot what they were already)
Disc HD to be on 148 sometime next month
8PSK apaptors will be free w/ 1 year commitment of Disc HD or $49 without, up untill Aug 1st, $99 after that

Thats about it :)


I think that the "after that" is not going to sit well with existing HD subs, including myself.

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 11:03 PM

Originally posted by SParker
why can't they rerun the chat at 11PM? I mean how many times do you need to see the remote control help channel.


I guess they want us to see all day long - that Guy say it to that Chick:

"Sometimes i just want to see the GAME!" - hehe

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Posted 08 July 2002 - 11:35 PM

Tuscon and Burlington? How about Baltimore, Hartford, Las Vegas, New Orleans? Interesting choices to say the least.
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Posted 09 July 2002 - 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Keith S
The cities were Tucson, AZ and Burlington, West Virginia. Thats all I can remember.


Errr.....There is no Burlington, West Virginia. :)

Do you mean Burlington, VT/Plattsburg, NY and Hunington/Charleston, WV? There are several West Virginia markets, but I don't see them putting up Beckly or Morgantown. :)

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Posted 09 July 2002 - 04:51 AM

On the DBSTalk chat last night someone mentioned that the Aug 1 date is bogus. The 8PSK module will always be $49.

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Posted 09 July 2002 - 05:58 AM

Vermont locals are to be added. And I feel that the $49/$99 "error" was really NO error...just a way to make the consumer feel like they are getting a good deal, when (in all actuality) they are getting shafted.

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Posted 09 July 2002 - 06:12 AM

Re: the Vermont locals. I suppose they will have retrans agreement problems with WFFF Fox. It just makes sense they would, since the channel has been free for years now on AMC5 Mpeg2.

BTW: It appears they want to add more cities instead of reducing the number of dishes required for some cities. After all, it is in their best interest for us to have bunches of dishes. :)

Tuscon makes sense, since they have two Tps on that Arizona beam. They could put all the Phoenix locals on there, but it don't look like they will.


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Posted 09 July 2002 - 07:33 AM

Ok, here's the deal with the 8PSK module. Charlie made a mistake with the pricing last night on the chat. If you order a yearly subscription to Disc-HD, the 8PSK module is free. If you order a monthly subscription to Disc-HD, the 8PSK module will cost you $49. That $49 price will NOT change after August 1st. I was on hold in the studio (after making it through 3 screeners), but the final screener didn't want Charlie to look like an idiot on the air, so she told me that Charlie misspoke and the price would not be going up to $99.

I suspect that after August 1st, if you want to order the 8PSK module but don't want to subscribe to Disc-HD then the price will be around $99. That's just a guess on my part.
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Posted 09 July 2002 - 09:42 AM

JohnH, I can see by your list of receivers that you wouldn't mind if they required more dishes. ;)

Mark, too bad you didn't get on the air. What were you going to ask? It's good to be Charlie, they try to make you look not too bad.

Marcus, I don't get why you are upset. They said you would still see all the HD you do now without the adapter. If you subscribe to Discovery HD, ( for a year) you get it free. Wih the price of HDTVs I can't see $49 being a major poblem for those subs.

IMHwild guessO, if they change all HD to 8PSK then they will be free, but the early adopters will have to pay. I don't know if that's the right way to do it, but thatseems to be how it's done by everybody, not just Dish.

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Posted 09 July 2002 - 10:19 AM

Originally posted by bolco
Vermont locals are to be added. And I feel that the $49/$99 "error" was really NO error...just a way to make the consumer feel like they are getting a good deal, when (in all actuality) they are getting shafted.


whatever it was - an error in his script, and they just screwed up and forgot, or it was a "setup" or a "joke" - it ended up pretty funny though - i found so anyhow :) - the way Charlie said:
"well we might as well give it for 49 (now that we slipped up"

hehe..

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Posted 09 July 2002 - 10:42 AM

Okay, went out after last night's Charlie Chat...

First off, IMHO, this was the most informative chat since I became a subscriber back in September. I can't wait to add the National Geographic Channel on Friday.

As for Fox Sports Net West 2, this will hopefully pacify the naysayers about Charlie not liking sports. I guess this was part of the deal worked out with Fox Network.

Expect plenty of whining from the broadcasters about Dish adding additional cities without resolving the second disk issue.

I was disappointed with Charlie's answer about West Coast feeds. In about a day or so, I will be writing a letter to Charlie addressing this issue, and noting that not everyone has PVRs and that, of the channels carried, when some of the channels go into "information mode", which can be as early as 9 PM PT.

"In an effort to increase your cable and satellite bills beyond the point of affordability and to further pad the pockets of our executives..."
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Posted 09 July 2002 - 10:44 AM

Mark - I was going to ask when Disc-HD would be mirrored to 148, and then when Charlie answered that, I was going to ask specifically about the price of the 8PSK. Because I look at 148 for my additional locals, I can't get D-HD until after August 1st, but if the price goes up to $99 for the 8PSK module on August 1st, I'm stuck either paying for a subscription to D-HD that I can't receive to get the deal on the 8PSK, or taking a hit on the 8PSK because I don't want to order a channel that I can't get. That was the gist of my 2nd question because of the pricing mistake Charlie made. I told the final screener that I would be really polite to Charlie, and not make him look like a fool on the air, but she was being protective... :D Oh well, hopefully next month. I really wanted to plug DBSTalk...
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Posted 09 July 2002 - 10:52 AM

I meant Vermont.
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Posted 09 July 2002 - 03:00 PM

Vermont makes sense. While not the most poulated state, they have the highest per capita of DBS subscribers of any state in the country. I would think that competition for those dollars is fierce, and Dish will have a leg up over Directv by adding Burlington locals. Good move, Dish.
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Posted 09 July 2002 - 10:30 PM

OK, here we go...

Welcome Charlie and Jim...

Agenda:
New programming
New receiver coming - 721
Giveaways and Questions

Programming:
National Geographic Channel was the #1 requested channel. It's joining AT150 on July 12th at channel 186

Fox Sports Net West 2 will be available later this summer to in-market subscribers of AT100 in the following zip-codes:

900-918 and 922-935 (subject to blackouts and availability)

Fox retransmission agreement was reached. All major networks have retransmission agreements now for several years.

Locals that were added:
Oklahoma City, OK (up july 2nd)
Burlington, VT (up july 24th)
Tucson, AZ (up july 31st but missing NBC so it's $4.99) NBC wanted to charge Dish "too much" to carry it
Tulsa, OK (up july 31st)
We can do more locals after the merger!

Introducing "Channel Mapping" which allows OpenTV receivers to have their local channels mapped to their actual channel numbers. ONLY OpenTV receivers can do this! All OpenTV downloads should be done by the end of July. Channels will remain in the 8000 block as well.

Let's talk HDTV! DiscoveryHD Theater up June 18th. Free preview until August 1st on channel 9443 on the 61.5 satellite.
DiscoveryHD programming is compiled from all of the Discovery channels which is why it isn't free. It will be $7.99/month or
$95.88/year. Enhanced HD version coming on 9420 on 61.5 but your 6000 must be upgraded with a new module. If you pay for a
year of DiscoveryHD you get the adapter free. If you don't, then the adapter is $49?!? Charlie thinks it's $99...oops!
Well, maybe it's a promotion. Well, OK, $49 until August 1st then the price goes up.

HD linup: 61.5 148
Sho-HD 9430 9430
HBO-HD 9440 9440
HDPPV 9428 9428
HD DEMO 9443 n/a
DISCOVERY HD 9420 n/a
CBS EAST-HD 9453 n/a
CBS West-HD n/a 9454

DiscoveryHD and the HD Demo will share the same channel for a while. 6p-6a for DiscoveryHD and 6a-6p for HD Demo Channel.
DiscoveryHD is NOT on 148 yet. It will be available in August but only in the enhanced HD format. Tune in to the Tech Chat
next month for more info.

They try to run an AT150 promo and run a Bloomberg promo instead. Bloomberg is in the AT150. They're giving away a trip for two to New York City which includes airfare, 3 nights stay, limo tour, a Broadway show and a tour of Bloomberg's joint. If
you're currently an AT150 subscriber, you're automatically entered. If not and you upgrade to AT150 between 6/25 and 7/31 you are entered. Call Dish at 1-800-333-DISH to upgrade/enter.

Encore fanatics spotlight. Short video on the specialty Encore networks (Action, Westerns, Mystery, WAM, Love Stories, True Stories) Over 500 movies a month. BAM!!

Talk about Echostar 8. 2 hours prior to launch, they confirmed a problem with the satellite. It was taken off the rocket and de-fueled so that it could be checked out. They're not sure of a new launch date. "We have to get back in line for a new launch date." Launch delay won't effect current operations.

Question time!
email: Oscar - When will DiscoveryHD be available to west coasters on the 148 satellite?
Charlie - Available in august in the enhanced version (you'll need the new module)

emil: no name - Does Dish Network plan to offer HDNet?
Charlie - We'd like to and we're in discussions with HDNet however we need capacity to be able to do it. That will come with the merger. Contractually we can't offer it until next year and hopefully the merger will be done by then.

email: Brad - Will Dish Network add NBA-TV?
Charlie - Do you mean NBA League Pass? We're in negotiations. NBA is thinking about starting their own channel. We're in talks to carry that if it starts. Check the September Charlie Chat for more details.

Caller: Beverly - When will the Jacksonville locals be available?
Charlie - Jacksonville will be on Echostar 8, when it launches.

email: Hugh - I want more HD programming.
Charlie - Well, people need to produce more HD programming and we need capacity. An HD channel takes up the space of 6 regular channels. When we merge with Hughes, we'll have more capacity for more HDTV channels and high speed internet access. Note that the only pay HD channel on Dish Network now is DiscoveryHD. If you have HBO, HBO-HD is free. Same for Showtime. You must have the model 6000 to view HDTV programming.

Let's talk about the 721.
Video on the 721-- (a better overview can be found at http://www.dbstalk.com) :D
MUCH more detail on the tech chat next month but price is $599 for a complete system or $549 for just the receiver. The price is less than it costs to make the product (really?).
721 FAQ:
Q: Will the picture-in-picture function work on a tv without picture-in-picture?
A: YES--the picture-in-picture function is inside the receiver itself so it'll work on any TV.
Q: Since DishPVR 721 has two tuners, are there two smart cards or an "additional outlet" fee?
A: There is only one smart card and there is no additional outlet fee for the second tuner.

MAJOR BLUNDER TIME: Charlie says that the 721 can output two different channels at the same time. Engineering staff sh*ts and so does Jim! "This product won't do that. We have another product coming out soon that can do that, but not this one.
You can watch it on two different TVs, but it's the same channel on both TVs." Charlie: "Can you watch live TV one place and recorded TV another place at the same time?" Engineering staff sh*ts again! Jan Johnson, Product Marketing Manager sets them straight.

They're giving away a 721! Be the first caller to correctly identify the size of the hard drive in the 721.
Charlie: "Is that in Gigahertz? gigabits? no, gigabytes!"

More questions.
email: Scott - Could you please elaborate on the new service called Dish Home, and how it is different from WebTV?
Jan Johnson - Dish Home feature that is being added to the newer OpenTV receivers is a one stop location for accessing all of the new interactive features like weather, sports applications, entertainment applications. Charlie - "more information at the tech chat"

email: Carlos - Does the 721 deliver HDTV programming?
Charlie - No, it does not. The only model we have that can deliver HDTV programming is the Model 6000

email: no name - Will satellite internet prices become more reasonable after the merger?
Charlie - Yes. Satellite internet is a huge investment. The merger would split up the development costs and they can agree on a standard so that hardware can be mass produced and cheaper. charlie appeals to the rural folk with national pricing plan talk.

Do you want to comment on the merger? Go to http://www.echostarmerger.com Your congressman is waiting to hear from you!

Lets look at Showtime. A free preview on July 28th from 6am to 10pm ET/PT called Showtime All-Ages Movie Marathon. We have a Showtime giveaway. A Weber tabletop grill filled with marinades, spices, etc. The question - What two Dish channels will be showcasing the showtime All-Ages Movie Marathon?

Winner of the 721 is Steven Balinet from Michigan. The answer-120 Gigabyte hard drive. "That's over 100 hours of recording... WOW!!!"

caller: Mr. Pepperford - Does Dish Network have any plans to add west coast feeds of other channels, like USA or TNN?
Charlie - In general, no because most channels don't have west coast feeds. Suggest you use a pvr to time shift your programming.(little PVR plug there) The only west coast feed we don't have is Univision...we can check on that.

email: Michael - Has Dish Network considered making the French station TV5 available on the 148 satellite?
Charlie - I don't know. We will let you know.

email: Chuck - Will HD programming ever be available on 110 or 119 with a single dish?
Charlie - With the merger, yes. With the merger we could have a dish that could see 101, 110 and 119 satellites and we could conceivably move programming off of 61.5 and 148

Winner of the Weber tabletop cooker - Jack Nasel of Seattle, WA. The answer-318 or 319

email: David Sands - When do we expect to launch Echostar 8?
Charlie - We don't know. First we have to get the satellite checked out (within the next week) then we have to get a new launch date so it may be 4-5 weeks.

Next month is the Tech Forum. But before then college football starts, so ESPN Gameplan Early Bird Package is $89 before August 31st. After that it's $99 or buy it by the weekend at $14/Saturday. There are 9-13 games every weekend.

Nascar has a new home on TNT. TNT will rebroadcast races on Monday nights, including NBC races.

caller: James - The merger sounds really great, but the merger date keeps being pushed back. When can we expect it to happen?
Charlie - We don't know, hopefully soon but it takes time for the regulators to decide whether or not this merger is good or bad for consumers. We need approvals from the Justice Department (anti-trust) and FCC (best interest for the consumer).

We have an answer on Michael's question on TV5 at 148...it is starting July 10th!

email: no name - Can you explain in more detail what the enhanced HD module does? will I need this module to enjoy all HD programming?
Charlie - It allows us to pick up more bits so that we can get more HD channels on the satellites. All NEW HD channels will be in enhanced HD and will require the module.

email: Lou - Will Dish Network ever offer BET on Jazz?
Charlie - I don't know. Right now we don't have the capacity to do it. If we get enough calls from customers we could add it in the future. We're always looking for new programming.

We're running out of time...
The Tech Forum is Monday, August 12th at 9pm ET on channel 101
The next Charlie Chat is Monday, September 9th at 9pm ET on channel 101

Thanks for joining us!


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Posted 09 July 2002 - 11:46 PM

The BET Jazz thing was bull. I remember very clearly from July 2000 (yes 2000) chat, right after Charlie announced the additions of Fox Movie Channel, SoapNet and Golf Channel into the AT150 lineup, he mentoed BET Jazz will be added in the 'near' future. Oh well, maybe charlie can work out some deal with Viacom once the other BET channels are out. BET Jazz would be the only one Im remotly interested in though.
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