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Dish going the Directv Phase III direction?


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#1 OFFLINE   ehren

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 10:20 PM

While getting my 61.5 dish put in for the Voom channels yesterday my installer who is the son of the owner said Dish is doing away with the Superdish and going the other route like Directv when they get more satellites launched. Maybe I have been working too much lately I have heard nothing about

HMMMMM, maybe I should SEARCH!?!?!?!?!?!?! <rolleyes>

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#2 OFFLINE   mudder1310

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 10:26 PM

The new dish 1000 is a three DBS lnb dish for 110, 119, and 129. I've heard nothing solid on what programming will come on 129, supposedly HD. I haven't heard the it will replace anything but the 500.
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 10:34 PM

HMMMMM, maybe I should SEARCH!?!?!?!?!?!?! <rolleyes>


Yep. But that's probably asking too much of you. And I doubt the SuperDISH is going away since a larger dish is still needed to pick up the FSS satellites at 105 and 121, especially since they just put a new satellite at 105.
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#4 OFFLINE   ehren

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 10:37 PM

Well he was saying Dish is trying to rid of 121

#5 OFFLINE   ehren

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 10:38 PM

And you know what, asking to search is as pathetic as a company saying "you can get all your questions via the internet" no need to call and talk to someone! Well, what if I want to flirt with the Dell woman from India, she's more interesting and sexy voiced than any of the U.S. women these days! EH!

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 10:44 PM

Yep. But that's probably asking too much of you. And I doubt the SuperDISH is going away since a larger dish is still needed to pick up the FSS satellites at 105 and 121, especially since they just put a new satellite at 105.


In addition, Dish has a request in at the FCC to move AMC-16 (the Ku band satellite at 85 W being leased from SES Americom with currently no Dish programming on it) to 118.7 W. Dish has a lease agreement with TeleSat for use of Ku band at 118.7 W on the Anik F3 satellite. Anik F3 was originally scheduled to launch in the first quarter of 2006 but has slipped to 3rd quarter 2006 so Dish wants to use this slot sooner rather than later. There have also been reports on some of the Dish receivers with recent software downloads that a "119K" selection in the Point Dish menu is available. This obviously for the 118.7 slot. You could see a Superdish sized dish that can get 110, 118.7 or 121, 119 and 129.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 11:03 PM

In addition, Dish has a request in at the FCC to move AMC-16 (the Ku band satellite at 85 W being leased from SES Americom with currently no Dish programming on it) to 118.7 W. Dish has a lease agreement with TeleSat for use of Ku band at 118.7 W on the Anik F3 satellite. Anik F3 was originally scheduled to launch in the first quarter of 2006 but has slipped to 3rd quarter 2006 so Dish wants to use this slot sooner rather than later. There have also been reports on some of the Dish receivers with recent software downloads that a "119K" selection in the Point Dish menu is available. This obviously for the 118.7 slot. You could see a Superdish sized dish that can get 110, 118.7 or 121, 119 and 129.


I heard all of that at separate times but to see it all at once really shows you what DISH has in the works. Yowzah!
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:03 AM

The DirecTV Phase 3 LNB is an integrated 3 sat LNB that kludges the 110's transponders 28/30/32 into the 119's 8/10/12. So, when using it, you are really only using 2 sat locations. The Dish1000 is a similar design that actually uses 3 differenet locations, and will work with the existing DP+Twin and a DP Dual together and will pick up the 129 location in addition to the 110/119. Due to the line of sight issues with the 129 on the east coast, and since 70% of the population of the US is east of the Mississippi, the odds of using the 129 as a national HD solution is probably a bad idea to say the least. However, the 129 would make an excellent west coast Digital/HD LiL solution.
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:13 AM

And you know what, asking to search is as pathetic as a company saying "you can get all your questions via the internet" no need to call and talk to someone! ...

Of course, the difference is that no one here is paid to help you. Given you attitude of refusing to help yourself, then no one here SHOULD help you.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:50 AM

You could see a Superdish sized dish that can get 110, 118.7 or 121, 119 and 129.


I would suspect that one could do all of those, since there is currently a combination KuFSS/KuDBS LNBF in the market which could do 119 and 118.7. Of course, the configuration would have to be modified somewhat the same as the current 119/121 on the 121 SuperDISH.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 09:32 AM

The DirecTV Phase 3 LNB is an integrated 3 sat LNB that kludges the 110's transponders 28/30/32 into the 119's 8/10/12. So, when using it, you are really only using 2 sat locations. The Dish1000 is a similar design that actually uses 3 differenet locations, and will work with the existing DP+Twin and a DP Dual together and will pick up the 129 location in addition to the 110/119. Due to the line of sight issues with the 129 on the east coast, and since 70% of the population of the US is east of the Mississippi, the odds of using the 129 as a national HD solution is probably a bad idea to say the least. However, the 129 would make an excellent west coast Digital/HD LiL solution.


I believe the line of sight or low elevation problem with the 129 W location is limited to the Northeast U.S. South of Washington D.C. should not really be a problem. As a comparison, Dish provides locals on E-9 at 121 W to Portland, Maine and the elevation angle is about 20 degrees which would be the approximate elevation angle for D.C. with the 129 W location. In addition, one would not need to go too far west to get a 20 degree elevation angle. I believe that in Pittsburgh, PA one would get an elevation angle of about 20 degrees. This should give a good picture of the problem with the 129 W location.

Note that this elevation angle I quote here is not the angle you would set your dish at. I believe the satellite signal for example on a D300 comes at a much higher angle than what the elevation angle you set the D300 at and therefore one would set up the elevation angle on the D300 at a lower angle than the 20 degrees.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 09:50 AM

If I remember correctly, the elevation here in Southeastern Pa was about 18 deg. for the Philadelphia locals at 129w. That was not a problem here, but the situation is somewhat unique. I get 148w here. :)

Many places will be okay if they can mount the dish up high, but some will be on the eastern side of hills and will be looking into the side of the hill.

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 08:50 PM

If I remember correctly, the elevation here in Southeastern Pa was about 18 deg. for the Philadelphia locals at 129w. That was not a problem here, but the situation is somewhat unique. I get 148w here. :)

Many places will be okay if they can mount the dish up high, but some will be on the eastern side of hills and will be looking into the side of the hill.

Yup - 18 degree elevation is considered WAY too low for "commercial" use.

That is, E* will NOT be depending on 129 for NE markets.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:44 AM

Note that this elevation angle I quote here is not the angle you would set your dish at. I believe the satellite signal for example on a D300 comes at a much higher angle than what the elevation angle you set the D300 at and therefore one would set up the elevation angle on the D300 at a lower angle than the 20 degrees.


Actually, it doesn't matter what the multisat dish is set for, the signal still comes in at 20 degrees. And, I believe that E* has learned from the Phili situation and that they will not try to use an elevation that low again because of the problems. With that situation, they could have been sued since a certain percentage of the customers could not get access to the locals.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 04:01 PM

Actually, it doesn't matter what the multisat dish is set for, the signal still comes in at 20 degrees. And, I believe that E* has learned from the Phili situation and that they will not try to use an elevation that low again because of the problems. With that situation, they could have been sued since a certain percentage of the customers could not get access to the locals.


I would doubt that Dish would get sued but they could lose customers. I agree that Dish will not use 129 W for Northeast locals. They could use 129 W for national programming if the programming was mirrored at 61.5 W although this is a waste of bandwidth. Now if Dish could put a large spotbeam satellite at 129 W, something in the class of the R-1 satellite with 12 or more TP frequencies supporting spotbeams, this could be extremely useful for them especially for HD LILs. Dish would still have to do something for the Northeast locals but they could free up most of the TP frequencies at 110 and 119 currently used for locals for national channels like HD. This would also give Dish a large marketing advantage over DirecTV with most folks needing a dish no larger than a D1000 as opposed to DirecTV's 24" X 36" dish.




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