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The official August 12, 2002 Tech Chat discussion


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#1 OFFLINE   Darkman

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 06:45 AM

Lets get some questions, ideas, thoughts, concerns ready Now for the upcoming Tech Chat :)

The tech chat is:

Monday August 12, 2002
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#2 OFFLINE   Geronimo

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 06:47 AM

Will the non Open TV receivers be upgraded for local channel mapping in the 2-69 range. Right now we are basically guessing about whether it will or won't happen. I interpreted the January reamrk to say that they will. Othere seem to have interpreted subsequent events and/or some announcement I am unaware of to say that they won't. And different people seem to read the DP comment from the July chat differently.


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Posted 11 July 2002 - 07:18 AM

maybe i am wrong - but thought i heard on charlie's chat them mentioned all the receivers might get upgraded and they had to check it with engeneers about that, (not just Dishplayer) - but i could be wrong...

in any case - good question for Tech Chat..
so - Tech Chat people - if any are reading it...- Answer Geronimo's question please!
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Posted 11 July 2002 - 07:19 AM

any1 knows for a fact - that Dishnet's people or Dishnet's Tech people come here and read the threads?

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Darkman
any1 knows for a fact - that Dishnet's people or Dishnet's Tech people come here and read the threads?

Trust me, they do.

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 07:41 AM

hehe - k ...
i ll trust you :)
hope they do anyhow :)

#7 OFFLINE   Scott Greczkowski

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 07:43 AM

Let me second Chris's comments, It is not uncommon to see a group of Echostar people here most of the day.

And in saying that let me say that they DO listen to the comments you guys are making.

With that being said, let me say that we are very happy to Have Echostar here (as well as DirecTV, ExpressVu and XM Radio which are all companies who visit us often) but we must state that were are in no way associated, owned by, paid off by etc. with any of the companies. DBStalk is privately owned and operated and is supported by the genorisity our kind members.

There just had to say that. :D

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 07:57 AM

I wonder if the new dishpro switches are compatible with the 22khz standard switches... If so, that will greatly reduce e*'s conversion cost, as they wouldn't have to replace existing d* multiswitches. Or am I dreaming too much?
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Posted 11 July 2002 - 08:12 AM

July 11 <--> Aug 12

Isn't this thread a little early???

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 08:15 AM

Nah it's not early, hell I went out to shopping last weekend and many stores in the area had HALLOWEEN stuff out already! :eek:

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 08:36 AM

eek! :eek: I hate it when that happens.

You make my point, Scott, because both are too early, but who cares??? :confused:

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 09:41 AM

First of all, I love my 501. Let the DirecTIVO fans say what they will, the 501 suits my needs just fine.

There is one problem that is inherent to all PVRs, whether or not it's the 501, 721, DirecTIVO, or UltimateTV.....

No matter how much hard drive you put into a PVR, it is never enough. Will there be a way to upgrade the 501s to larger hard drives, especially with the prices extremely low (see www.pricewatch.com)?

Also, will there be a way for Search to find other showings of a show from the program guide?

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 09:47 AM

Zloth it would be cool if the # option worked from the guide (this way you can find other showings of the show)

I never tried to see if it will work, I will try it tonight, good idea!

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Z'Loth
No matter how much hard drive you put into a PVR, it is never enough. Will there be a way to upgrade the 501s to larger hard drives, especially with the prices extremely low

You know Z'Loth, you bring up something that has bugged since the 501 came out. The lack of freedom to upgrade. As you, I really enjoy using the 501 and think it works well. If I want more hard drive space, I should be given the freedom to put in a bigger hard drive if I wish. Yes I know that it voids the warranty, but that should be my choice and not theirs.

Also, what if the hard drive fails? I would feel comfortable with the fact that I can run down to the local store and pick one up, slap it in and be up and running in minutes. With the hard drive being "married" the receiver, it takes away even that option. Dish really dropped the ball on this one. I know they have their reasons why they did things this way, but it still blows.

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 01:12 PM

721 questions:

1) When will the 721 keyboard be available? Price?
2) When will the 721 Internet options be turned on?
3) What will the USB->Ethernet adapter cost?

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 03:40 PM

Chris, I so agree with you about upgrading the hard drive on the 501. I have put in larger HD's in my two TiVo's but have never been successful upgrading my 501's.

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 05:24 PM

The question I ask everytime, when will Thomson start making E* hardware, and will it be more then in 301 or whatever with a RCA logo on it instead of Echostars?
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Posted 11 July 2002 - 06:08 PM

Who makes the 301, 501 and 721 for E*?

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Posted 11 July 2002 - 07:16 PM

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Posted 12 July 2002 - 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Chris Blount
I should be given the freedom to put in a bigger hard drive if I wish. Yes I know that it voids the warranty, but that should be my choice and not theirs.


None are as easy to upgrade as the DP:goodjob: . Now that the DP seems to be stable :fingers crossed mode: this is a great reason to love it, of course ease of upgrade was an OVERSIGHT by E*, not a feature. I still remember Dugan's look of surprise during an early tech chat when they discovered this. :eek: (I also heard they furiously tried to figure out how to stop it, but couldn't).

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Posted 13 July 2002 - 02:39 PM

I wonder how long it will be before DPs get a software change and are junk again?

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Posted 13 July 2002 - 03:11 PM

I figure they are afraid to send a software download to the dishplayer again. I remember them going back to a previous software release because of all of the bugs a new one brought out.

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Posted 13 July 2002 - 06:53 PM

Hi all, I am new to Dish Network (2 Months) and live in Alaska.
I use Sat 119 on a 4 ft dish, 6000 receiver and 73 inch RPTV.

I am getting alot of pixalating (5-6 times (or more) lasting 3-5 seconds over a 2 hour time period) I have call tech support several times getting the check this, check that routine. (Signal strength is 78-82, solid, no signal loss.)

I have even called my installer 3 times, but he won't return my calls now that he has cashed the check.

I called into Charlie Chat the other night and to my surprise got through to ask about this, but was quickly transfered to yet another tech dude with the same questions and fixes(??)

Curiously, I do not have this problem on Sat 148 (24 inch dish) when watching the HD stuff. (same signal strength) I also never see pixalating on my 301 receiver (20 inch CRT, Sat 119)

I get the feeling that this is a compression issue based upon the other posts in this forum, but why does it only happen on the large TV with the 6000 receiver? (see below)

One of the tech dudes at Dish suggested they see more pixalating the larger the TV gets?? ( Does this make any sense?)


If this is the case and is un-fixable until Echostar 8, 9, 10......ect launches I think I may have to return to Cable ( Horror of Horrors) . This issue is very annoying when watching movies as I loose both audio and video missing key scene's and dialog.

Thanks for any input you may have on this.:shrug:

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Posted 14 July 2002 - 12:49 AM

OK, Dish here's a challenge for you:

The 6000 will probably never get local channel mappings. If you have the 8vsb mod installed and your local digitals map to the VHF channels it won't work. For instance, I have ch 2 for ABC, 6 for CBS, 8 for NBC, 10 for PBS and 12 for UPN. If I punch in 006 to tune in channel 6 I get the local digital 006-01. I tried this being tuned into the Analog channel 6 and the digital channel 6-01 and both times it tuned to 006-01.

So unless they change the software on the 6000 to map the sat channels to 006 and force us to put in all 5 digits for the digital channels, it will never work.

On the 501:

I'm on my 3rd receiver, having to swap the first 1 due to just plain not working very well, the 2nd one for a noisey hard drive and this 3rd one has a noisey hard drive as well. Why can't you bench test the drives that go into these things and weed out the defective ones before they go out the door?

There are 2 types of noises mine have made: 1) Rattling like a set of marbles are loose inside when it seeks. 2) Extreme high frequency whine like a dental drill (constant & loud enough to hear over normal TV volume). My current unit works very well and I am quite hesitant to return it in fear of getting a piece of junk or another noisey one. Please test these things.

Regarding the operation of the 501. It is much more stable now, thanks. I do have these issues:
1) Quite often I will try to select a program from the EPG and instead of getting the record settings screen, I am kicked back to Live.
2) When paused and resume playing, it jumps ahead about 5 seconds. If the drive is almost full, I get choppy playback. Stopping and restarting usually fixes it.
3) Please fix the timer list so it can be sorted by ANYTHING! As it is, it is a jumble of (*&^)%#@. And PLEASE make it so we can press Info on a timer and see what the heck it is.
4) There are still back to back timer problems. I had an issue where I had rewound the live buffer, pressed the browse button and hit record but it did not stop when it was supposed to. I stopped the recording, went into the PVR list and it said it was recording the next show but was not. When I highlighted the item on the PVR screen and hit Select, it tuned to that channel and the red record light came on.
5) Please make the History list on Search so we can sort the list and delete 1 item at a time.
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Posted 15 July 2002 - 12:58 AM

1) Quite often I will try to select a program from the EPG and instead of getting the record settings screen, I am kicked back to Live.

^^^That one really agitates me as well as the info for a timer not showing the info for the show. Not being able to delete just one item from search history but having to delete them all at once is a big goof.

Sounds like some things that people had requested before that is listed on my website of features most wanted.




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