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when is mpeg4 supposed to start?


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#76 OFFLINE   Neil Derryberry

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 10:41 AM

I find this very interesting:

"the 8PSK transition "will afford us greater flexibility in delaying and reducing the costs to convert our subscriber base to MPEG-4," the company said. "

In other words they will transistion to 8PSK first, then transition to MPEG-4. That's good news for us 942 owners since the 942 already accepts 8PSK.

The caveat here is the news story. Was it accurately written? What does it mean?


Let's take the full context of that paragraph:

"We have not yet determined the extent to which we will convert the EchoStar DBS System to these new technologies, or the period of time over which the conversions will occur," the company said in the SEC filing. If a new satellite, EchoStar X, launches during 2006 and other planned satellites are successfully deployed, the 8PSK transition "will afford us greater flexibility in delaying and reducing the costs to convert our subscriber base to MPEG-4," the company said.


It bugs me that everyone assumes that they are going to get screwed when MPEG4 comes out. The article, from a reputable source I might add, reveals the fact that a determination (at least publicly) has not been made. I know it isn't fun to take a company at their word, and one might make a reasoned argument that the past experience of some users justifies the reaction.. Myself, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt this time. I just don't see Echostar intentionally taking any action that would significantly reduce its subscriber base.
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#77 OFFLINE   dave1234

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 11:22 AM

I probably should have left the last sentence out...
My intention was to focus on the possible 8PSK plan to delay MPEG4 rollout. It appears if the launch of the new satellite is successful, echostar will have enough extra HD capacity that will allow them to delay the rollout of MPEG4. This was new information for me.

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 11:58 AM

Does anybody know what additional HD channels may be made available with the switch to MPEG4? Will it include a USA-HD?

I know D* already has Universal and ESPN2 in HD? Are those going to be added anytime soon to the Dish HD package?

#79 OFFLINE   CCarncross

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 01:17 PM

There is no USA-HD last I checked. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 06:03 PM

I think that news release just indicates what others have posted on this thread. They are going to offer more HD channels in the spring when they start offering the MPEG4 boxing to new subs, which will entice some of the current HD subs to buy the equipment rather than wait for a free/discounted upgrade. How could a company afford to swap out all the existing HD boxes for free on day 1? I just signed up with Dish in Sept and got the 942. I guess I should have held out with the crappy cable company for a little longer to catch the new MPEG4 deployment, but I have been enjoying my 942 and the HD channels I am getting all this fall (love NFL in HD). Plus, I am like Doyle and watch more HD now from the networks through my OTA antenna. So I will be content to wait. I am just happy that E* is working to compete with D* and offer more HD soon.

If I had a 942 I would likely agree with you, but I don't I have a 921 which has never worked reliable 2 years now and counting and I doubt if it will ever be reliable. So what I am saying as a 5 year customer something had better happen to make me want to stay with Dish. As a customer I feel at least I deserve a discounted upgrade and sooner not later.
I will not be a customer for long if I am stuck with an inferior 921 when new subscribers are enjoying a new and more reliable MPEG4 DVR box.
If I cancel isn't that like losing a new subscriber and believe I will if I feel I am not treated fair.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 09:19 AM

I can't argue with you on that. I do think the 921 owners should be first in line for a swap-out. But as another member posted, that would mean E* would be admitting they made a mistake. I don't think they are willing to do that.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 11:34 AM

....everyone here and on other boards seems to have been so sure that Dish would indeed put together a special deal for current customers. Have they ever done so?

They definitely didn't with the 942 vs. the 921. Someone alluded I think to something that happened a long, long time ago, but here we are talking about a change that affects hardware for over 12 MILLION customers.

I have never really felt in my heart they would cut current customers any deals.

But they darn well better give a discount on that new box, and they sure as heck better let current customers buy them. When I go into their site right now, the 942 isn't even listed as an upgrade option for me. I have to dig to find a way to buy it.

I have been holding out with a piece of crap box for over a year now and my patience is getting very thin. I need to reset my 921 nearly constantly, and it is always getting its pitiful brain confused about what day it actually is and recording the wrong things.

If I have difficulty getting a 962 in the first wave, or if they expect me to pay $700 or $900 for one, I will be very motivated to move back to D* where I was always very happy.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 11:42 AM

Let's see if they show us the mpeg4 HD PVR at the upcoming tech chat. If not, I'd guess we're looking at md '06 for the PVR.

The 411 may show up a few months before the PVR. But, does anyone care?

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http://www.dbstalk.c...ead.php?t=47861

Says the 411 is announced for release by the end of the month. No word on the 962.
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#84 OFFLINE   rocatman

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:09 PM

Dish has offered existing subscribers substantial discounts on receivers in the past. When the 811 came out, I bought mine for $199 and I know other subscribers that only paid $149 because they were subscribed to more programming. I also took advantage of an offer to buy a 510 at a substantial discount although I don't remember exactly how much. Certainly these offers were not as good as what new subscribers get but then again when I first joined Dish, I did receive a huge discount on the receiver as well as a programming discount.

I do not own a 921 but based on what I have read in this and other forums, 921 owners have gotten screwed by Dish. Unfortunately, the 411 is not a DVR so a swap out may not be acceptable for many 921 owners. The MPEG-4 DVR may not be out for a few months after the release of the 411 and I would hope that Dish will do something special for the 921 when it comes to MPEG-4 upgrades.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:13 PM

dwcobb:

If you were "always very happy" at D* how is it you moved to E*?

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:56 PM

dwcobb:

If you were "always very happy" at D* how is it you moved to E*?


You see these kind of posts literally by the hundreds, and I always wonder too...

I'd just about guarantee the answer is, "I got a lot cheaper offer I couldnt pass up"

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 02:12 PM

You see these kind of posts literally by the hundreds, and I always wonder too...

I'd just about guarantee the answer is, "I got a lot cheaper offer I couldnt pass up"


Which is why I always respond to the "why won't Dish give me a special great deal" questions with the standard... if they have to bribe you to stay, you aren't worth it... response. People that switch for the better deal will always switch and will switch back later too. Not worth going out of your way to keep them.

Now, as for the MPEG4 receiver swapouts... It is a completely different animal than any of the other swapouts they have done recently... because Dish will want eventually to switch to MPEG4 across the board... so initially they will offer some reduced price initiatives to get you to switch and help out + offer some new channels as well... but eventually they would have to (2-3 years or more down the road) swap out everyone else for free before they could complete the switchover... so the deal you get will ultimately depend on how long you can hold out waiting.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 05:01 PM

You see these kind of posts literally by the hundreds, and I always wonder too...

I'd just about guarantee the answer is, "I got a lot cheaper offer I couldnt pass up"




Should never assume what someone else's motivations are but three have you have run with that supposition now. I don't give a darn about the difference in rates. Rate differences rae negligible to me - maybe $5 a month between D* and E*? If that. I had better reception on D* and a better customer experience. And they have Tivo, and I really hated giving up Tivo when I got HD.

I switched because E* had Style Network and D* didn't. Style was on Comcast when we were there, and it was important in the household if not so much to me. Local Comcast service is really appalling (very expensive and very very few channels), so it was a choice between E* and appalling cable.

I check D* regularly to see if they have added Style. I would switch back in a heartbeat if they did.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 05:03 PM

I'm not that fickle.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 09:46 PM

I've had D* since 97, and never thought about switching, even with all the supposedly better deals. I dont play that game, with tv, phone or any other stuff.




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