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Is Directv aware of Verizon FIOS ?


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#1 OFFLINE   westwood wizard

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 10:06 AM

Does Directv realize just how competitive (i.e. better value for money) Verizon FIOS TV is based on their offerings in Keller, Texas and Herndon, Virginia ?

Fios TV is clearly cheaper and provides more channels. For example, Directv's Showtime Package includes only 5 Showtime movie channels plus 4 others while FIOS Showtime package includes 16 actual Showtime movie channels. I say actual as in "Showtime" branded and the 4 non-branded offered by Directv are also offered by FIOS separately.

Why does Directv not offer all 16 Showtime channels that FIOS can offer ?

FIOS will be a real threat to Directv wherever it will be offered.

Any opinions on this ?

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 10:34 AM

I was thinking about FiOS as well. The problem right now is it could take months or even years in some places before FiOS is available everywhere.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 11:57 AM

Can someone detail the FiOS offerings. I'm sorry, I'm not familular with this but it sounds like Verizon is reselling DTV.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 12:22 PM

Can someone detail the FiOS offerings. I'm sorry, I'm not familular with this but it sounds like Verizon is reselling DTV.

Verizon has partnered with DirecTV so that it can offer a complete suite of services (phone, broadband and TV). FIOS service is not related to DTV, and I assume Verizon will stop offering DTV where the fiber is installed.

For more FIOS and FIOS-TV user-related information, visit the following site:

http://www.dslreport...m/forum/vzfiber

My area has the fiber and we'll be offered TV by summer. I understand that the huge bandwidth will allow gobs of channels to be delivered without the MPEG compression satellite needs.

FIOS is a serious threat to satellite and cable services wherever it becomes available. Turf wars will be brutal.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 12:30 PM

'Verizon Fios Internet and TV Service will use fiber-optic cable and associated electronics - instead of copper wires - to directly link residential and business customers to the Verizon network. Fiber-optic systems have been used in telecommunication networks for years, but primarily for long distance networks or for large business applications. But now the Verizon FiOS Internet and TV Service Program that [Verizon is] beginning, first in Keller Tx, will extend the capacity, speed, and quality of fiber-optics right to customers' homes and businesses.'

Verizon FIOS internet comes in three different speeds:

5 mbps downstream / 2 mbps upstream - $39.95
15 mbps downstream / 2 mbps upstream - $49.95
30 mbps downstream / 5 mbps upstream - $199.95

This is a press release from Verizon on the Keller Tx. Fios TV

KELLER, Texas, Sept. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- The future of television arrived
today in a blaze of fiber-optic light, as Verizon unveiled Verizon FiOS tv to
residents of this city 30 miles west of Dallas. Verizon will begin taking
customer orders for FiOS tv today in Keller, and make it available in
communities across Verizon's footprint in the future.
"This is not cable tv. This is not satellite. This is FiOS tv," said Bob
Ingalls, president of Verizon's Retail Markets Group. "Customers who liked
what FiOS did for their Internet connection will love what it does for their
tv. We've harnessed the speed and capacity of broadband with the power of
broadcast to create a revolutionary, new entertainment experience."
FiOS tv is designed to compete with cable and satellite and win. It is
delivered over Verizon's fiber-to-the-premises network, which has industry-
leading quality and reliability. Fiber delivers amazingly sharp pictures and
sound, and has the capacity to transmit a wide array of high-definition
programming that is so clear and intense it seems to leap from the tv screen.
Verizon's network design includes backup facilities not common to traditional
cable systems, such as duplicate "head ends" where the tv service receives
national programming.

Service highlights include:

* A broad collection of all-digital programming and compelling consumer
choice - with more than 330 total channels at launch and more on the
way.

* A lead offer with more than 180 digital video and music channels, for
$39.95 a month.

* More than 20 high-definition channels, with extraordinary clarity and
theater-quality sound.

* Nearly 600 video-on-demand titles available to customers now, with 1,800
by year-end.

* A wide range of local and special-interest channels not found on most
cable and satellite systems.

* Channels grouped by genres such as entertainment, sports, news,
shopping, movies and family, making it easy for audiences to find their
favorite programming.

* An easy-to-use interactive programming guide that integrates HD
programming, video-on-demand and the digital video recorder along with
broadcast television into a seamless user experience.

Verizon has secured the necessary programming rights to launch its FiOS tv
service in Keller today.

Verizon provides FiOS tv over the largest fiber-to-the-premises network in
the country, delivering the power and capacity of fiber optics directly into
people's homes. A year ago, the company launched FiOS Internet Service in
Keller, where today about 30 percent of eligible households have purchased the
high-speed service. (More information about FiOS tv and fiber optics is
available in Verizon's online News Center at »www.verizon.com/news.)
With today's announcement, Verizon concludes its successful trial of FiOS
tv with employees and Keller residents. Following the service rollout in
Keller, Verizon will offer FiOS tv to additional households in Wylie, Sachse
and Westlake, Texas, later this year. Those cities negotiated video
franchises prior to the enactment of the state's new franchise law. Verizon
will then expand FiOS tv to cities in Florida, Virginia and California, where
it has already obtained video franchises. In addition to Wylie, Sachse and
Westlake, Verizon is planning FiOS tv deployment in other Texas communities,
and it will offer the service in additional markets as it gets government
approval to do so.
"FiOS tv will connect with customers because it offers them choice, value
and simplicity," Ingalls said. "We have a great offer today, but it will get
even better as we add programming and interactive services. Our employees and
customers helped us improve the service during trials this summer, and we'll
continue to upgrade based on what we learn from our customers."
FiOS tv subscribers will enjoy 100 percent digital programming, as well as
access to a large selection of video-on-demand content. Today's cable
operators typically have to upsell customers from analog to digital-tier
packages to make more sophisticated services like video-on-demand and high-
definition programming available, if they offer those services. To simplify
customer choice, FiOS tv packages and prices will be the same everywhere, with
only the local and community channels varying by market.
FiOS tv subscribers can choose from three simple-to-understand service
offerings, each with built-in choice and value. They can then choose from
packages and premium channels with programming that meets their special
interests. Verizon offers three set-top boxes: standard definition for $3.95
per month; high definition, which includes HD channels, for $9.95 per month;
and a digital video recorder set-top box with HD channels for $12.95 per
month.

The services include:
* Basic, with access to 15-35 local broadcast, weather and community
channels, as well as video-on-demand, for $12.95 per month. The service
is digital with a set-top box. Basic is also available as an analog
service that does not require a set-top box for viewing.

* Expanded Basic, Verizon's lead offer, delivers more than 180 video and
music channels for $39.95 a month. This tier includes access to 600 on-
demand titles now, with 1,800 by year end. This service requires a
standard-definition set-top box or a high-definition set-top box for HD
channels.

* La Conexion, a tier designed for bilingual consumers who enjoy tv
programs in English and Spanish, for $32.95 per month. The package
includes nearly 140 channels with English- and Spanish-language
programming and access to nearly 600 on-demand titles.
This service requires a standard-definition set-top box or a high-
definition set-top box for HD channels.

Consumers with a passion for sports or movies can add a 15-channel sports
package for $5.95 a month, and a movie package, with 45 channels of Starz,
Encore, Showtime and The Movie Channel, for $11.95 a month. Or, they can buy
both for $14.95 a month. Verizon also will offer 14 HBO channels and 12
Cinemax channels as premium services, with each set of channels available for
$14.95. Subscribers who want both HBO and Cinemax will pay $24.95 per month.
Programming choices for African-American, Asian, Russian and other
multicultural and ethnic audiences will be available in every market. Because
FiOS tv has so much capacity, it will also be an outlet for emerging and
independent networks to showcase their diverse programming.
FiOS tv will also offer thousands of hours of on-demand programming,
including hundreds of titles of free video-on-demand programs across topics
such as sports, news, information and education, home and leisure, family,
children's shows and movies. Customers can order new movie releases for $3.95
each and selections from a movie library for $2.95 each.
The value of FiOS tv extends to the installation and customer support.
Specially trained Verizon technicians will install the service and acquaint
subscribers with FiOS tv features and services. Verizon is waiving the
installation fee for up to three existing tv outlets, and there is no charge
to install a needed optical network terminal at the subscriber's home.
Charges for other installation services, such as additional outlets, may
apply. Verizon provides 24x7 technical assistance by phone from its Fiber
Solutions Centers in Dallas and other cities.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 12:51 PM

FiOS is a great service (have it for internet) and Verizon is spending a ton of money on getting the FTTP infrastructure up and connected to homes. The benefits are touted as limitless, but there are limits, like aprox. 622mbps down / 155mbps up :eek2: so they have a lot of room for growth.

The internet connection I have to my home is 30mbps (for work) which is great. Very reliable. I had FiOS and cable modem for a month together to make sure I had a back up connection, but FiOS has been very reliable so I dumped Cable.

Verizon will have issues with regulatory agencies being a telco, and they are getting a lot of heat from Cable companies making the point they are to compete on the same terms they follow - agreements with individual towns. So, while they could get the Internet going first in a lot of locations, FiOS TV will be delayed for a bit until they take care of the agreements. Verizon is trying to change the law to allow them to go around the rules cable has to follow! :lol:

I have to believe (especially with announcements at CES) that DirecTV is well prepared for what FiOS will deliver. Most notable, is the support of MCE & ViiV (I'm sure the mac mini ViiV will follow). You have to believe that DirecTV will continue on with what they are doing in satellite, but utilize a persons broadband connection for help with interactive/ondemand features.

Now, if Verizon is in your town and able to provide you 15mbps internet, with over 200 channels of television, plenty of High Definition content all over the same pipe for under $70 a month, then they would end up taking a huge chunk of DirecTV. But there is that subset of users, who will keep their broadband connection separate from TV and continue to use DirecTV (like a lot of us that have cable broadband but DirecTV), for us, you will get that convergence later on in 2006 (or whenever it is ready) with DirecTV.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 02:06 PM

Here is the channel lineup for Keller Tx. HD is included in the price of expanded basic.

http://www.fioslive....nel-lineup.html

List of prices for Verizon FIOS Tv:

http://www.fioslive....e-packages.html

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 03:11 PM

FiOS may be great if you live in a Verizon area, but if you live in an area that Verizon doesn't serve, what are you gonna do?

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 04:25 PM

FiOS may be great if you live in a Verizon area, but if you live in an area that Verizon doesn't serve, what are you gonna do?

Those people won't have the option for now.

FIOS/broadband and FIOS/TV won't be a major threat to satellite or cable in the near-term. Even for those who live in a Verizon area, FIOS will be slow to arrive. The real threat is long-term when Verizon brings fiber to a substantial portion of its customers. The other "phone" and cable companies will be bringing in fiber, too.

The big loser long-term will be satellite. It will still rule in rural areas - fiber will be too expensive to install there, but satellite won't be competitive with fiber systems in urban/suburban areas. Once people get broadband via fiber they'll be exposed to the TV offering. It will be interesting to see how many dishes come down in my area when FIOS/TV arrives in a few months.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 05:41 PM

Can someone detail the FiOS offerings. I'm sorry, I'm not familular with this but it sounds like Verizon is reselling DTV.


Verizon does resell Directv but Fios is not a resell of Directv programming. Fios TV is Verizon's video service via fiber optics.

Goto this link:

http://www22.verizon...ellerLineup.pdf

This is their lineup from Keller, Texas. When you take a look at this and then browse their website for the package prices, you will know what I mean by better value for money especially when you get into the movie channels and sports channels.

Directv is much more expensive in comparison which is why I say Directv as well as Dish Network better watch out in areas where FIOS TV becomes available.

Directv and Dish will still have clear advantages in areas such as International Programming and availability of certain sports subscriptions and channels.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 08:45 PM

as soon as Verizon FIOS is available hear (IF that happens in my lifetime) i will kiss DirecTV goodbye.

unfortunately i will miss getting both east and west nets but other than that, FIOS has more and better support of HD channels and, for what you get, is cheaper than DirecTV.

it would cost me about $15-$20 less a month if FIOS was here.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 11:29 PM

Verizon will have issues with regulatory agencies being a telco, and they are getting a lot of heat from Cable companies making the point they are to compete on the same terms they follow - agreements with individual towns. So, while they could get the Internet going first in a lot of locations, FiOS TV will be delayed for a bit until they take care of the agreements. Verizon is trying to change the law to allow them to go around the rules cable has to follow! :lol:


I just signed back up with my local cable company (Cox) for broadband and they asked me to answer a survey about whether I thought other companies providing Digital Television were good or not and if they should have to go by the same regulations as them. I let them know that without knowing what the regulations were I would have no idea on how to answer their survey.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 09:41 AM

nice response....

I'm waiting for the cable companies to go to local governments where FiOS is available and say

"we represent the thousands of voters in this town that want any other digital television service to follow the same laws we do"

Not for nothing, but I would not want a cable (or any tv) company to represent me :lol:

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 09:49 AM

Some countrys in Europe and also Korea have optic cable and there running over a 100mgs up and down cable service, That shows how screwed up our cable providers are. I have a friend in Sweden that has it and he pays about 27 bucks a month and thats TV also.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 01:29 PM

Some countrys in Europe and also Korea have optic cable and there running over a 100mgs up and down cable service, That shows how screwed up our cable providers are. I have a friend in Sweden that has it and he pays about 27 bucks a month and thats TV also.


I agree there is no excuse for the world's greatest technology power to not have had fiber optic service at the consumer level in all major urban areas. However, I want to point out that when you mention places like Korea or some small European nation...well they have the population density to lay fiber optics. The United States with our Wild West mentality becomes a tougher challenge.

By the way, European television still sucks. I find US Programming choices to be far superior overall and has been since the Day 1.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 09:14 PM

I think DTV is definitely aware of FIOS but they don't see it as a short-term threat. Although Verizon is now agressively rolling out the FIOS infrastructure, this is a 5-10 year multi-billion dollar investment that is really in its infancy. Thsi year will definitely be huge as the move even more aggresively and finalize more franchise agreements, so its going to be very interesting. The average person on the street doesn't even know Verizon is starting to offer video services.

Once this roll out is closer to completion, I think both cable and satellite companies have much to be worried about. I think cable might have even more to worry about because for many cable customers where satellite is not an option, they are forced to rely on the local cable monopoly. And once customers have another "land based" alternative I seriously think there will be many defections to FIOS. There are so many unsatisfied cable customers out there who have had to put up with poor picture quality and even worse customer service so for many of them FIOS will be a god send. Comcast is moving fast to try and upgrade its internet infrastructure so that it can offer even higher speeds to better compete with FIOS internet which could blow Comcast cable away if they can actually deliver on the promised speeds. The satellite providers are at a huge disadvantage in my opinion because of the fundamental fact that DBS is only a one way medium. Sat companies can deliver video and some other services, but thats about it, there really isn't a two way connection required for many of the more interactive and advanced technologies-VOD for instance. I think the major battle will be betwween the "land based" providers and the Sat companies weaknesses will become more apparent.

Personally, I currently have DirecTV and will switch to FIOs once it becomes available. I want to move up to HD Tivo but they just won't give me a good deal on it. I'm getting pretty sick of negotiating with their retention dept and not getting anywhere. My contract will be up in about two weeks and I don't want to make the 2 year commitment required for the new equipment. Comcast is not really an option because their service (especially picture quality) is horrible in my area so i will not switch to them. So basically I am going to wait till FIOS becomes available in my area, hopefully by this summer, then dump my DirecTV. Boy I can't wait!!!!!

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Posted 13 January 2006 - 09:02 AM

I think Verizon will do D*/E* what they did to cable...... They will have such a bandwidth advantage they will tough to beat if they price it right.....
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Posted 13 January 2006 - 10:29 AM

I think DTV is definitely aware of FIOS but they don't see it as a short-term threat. Although Verizon is now agressively rolling out the FIOS infrastructure, this is a 5-10 year multi-billion dollar investment that is really in its infancy. Thsi year will definitely be huge as the move even more aggresively and finalize more franchise agreements, so its going to be very interesting. The average person on the street doesn't even know Verizon is starting to offer video services.

Once this roll out is closer to completion, I think both cable and satellite companies have much to be worried about. I think cable might have even more to worry about because for many cable customers where satellite is not an option, they are forced to rely on the local cable monopoly. And once customers have another "land based" alternative I seriously think there will be many defections to FIOS. There are so many unsatisfied cable customers out there who have had to put up with poor picture quality and even worse customer service so for many of them FIOS will be a god send. Comcast is moving fast to try and upgrade its internet infrastructure so that it can offer even higher speeds to better compete with FIOS internet which could blow Comcast cable away if they can actually deliver on the promised speeds. The satellite providers are at a huge disadvantage in my opinion because of the fundamental fact that DBS is only a one way medium. Sat companies can deliver video and some other services, but thats about it, there really isn't a two way connection required for many of the more interactive and advanced technologies-VOD for instance. I think the major battle will be betwween the "land based" providers and the Sat companies weaknesses will become more apparent.

Personally, I currently have DirecTV and will switch to FIOs once it becomes available. I want to move up to HD Tivo but they just won't give me a good deal on it. I'm getting pretty sick of negotiating with their retention dept and not getting anywhere. My contract will be up in about two weeks and I don't want to make the 2 year commitment required for the new equipment. Comcast is not really an option because their service (especially picture quality) is horrible in my area so i will not switch to them. So basically I am going to wait till FIOS becomes available in my area, hopefully by this summer, then dump my DirecTV. Boy I can't wait!!!!!


I agree with everything you said. I am not sure if you went to the FIOS website or followed my link from my above post but the value for money for FIOS TV is incredible. They are offering 44 movie channels for $11.95 which includes 16 Showtime channels along with Starz/Encore/Sundance/FLIX, etc.

Directv and Dish are not even the ballpark. Directv offers only 5 Showtime channels. I do not understand why they do not have the 16 that FIOS offers.

However, Directv and Dish still have exclusive rights to the most popular international programming and certain sports offering. FIOS is not currently offering all Fox Regional Sports Networks...they are offering the 3 Fox College Sports channels. Not sure why not...bandwidth is not a problem. Same with Comcast..they should not have bandwidth issues in terms of offering the regional sports networks. These are not exclusive as both Dish and Directv offer them.

I do not need to address the incredible Internet service offered by Fios and Satellite's lack of two-way capability as you have already done so.

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Posted 13 January 2006 - 10:41 AM

FIOS is not currently offering all Fox Regional Sports Networks...they are offering the 3 Fox College Sports channels. Not sure why not...bandwidth is not a problem. Same with Comcast..they should not have bandwidth issues in terms of offering the regional sports networks. These are not exclusive as both Dish and Directv offer them.

I noticed there was no RSN when I checked the channel lineup for Keller, TX. That could be an issue as RSN's usually require expensive contracts. That was a big issue between Cablevision and the YES Network a couple years ago. So it will be interesting to see if Verizon can get these sports networks. If not, I won't become a FiOS subscriber.

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Posted 13 January 2006 - 10:45 AM

When Verizon "rolls out" it's fiber optic network, does that mean each individual home needs to have it's copper wiring replaced with the new fiber optic wiring, in addition to all the wiring in the street? If that's the case I could see this project taking a decade, if not more, to complete in all areas, especially in big cities like New York.




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