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#26 OFFLINE   Wolffpack

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 03:13 PM

The difference is that NFLST is an add on package, a very expensive package at that. The majority of the subs do not subscribe to ST, yet it affects everyone's rates.

Are you suggesting that Jon Q Subscriber is subsidizing the cost of ST? I really don't think so. In fact, I would guess that all of the high priced addon packages help subsidize the costs of the very basic package. Don't know this to be true, just a guess.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 03:13 PM

Sure it's only $2-$4 but when everything else keeps going up, income stays flat eventually your in the hole. While at the same time the products that go up that $2-$4 a month keep turning in large profit reports to satisfy the stock holders who could care less about us, just making money. Plus there are channels on that bundle that I have not watched since I signed up in 1997 and I'm not talking religious or shopping. People on disability like me just cannot keep absorbing it without cutting back.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 04:44 PM

Are you suggesting that Jon Q Subscriber is subsidizing the cost of ST? I really don't think so. In fact, I would guess that all of the high priced addon packages help subsidize the costs of the very basic package. Don't know this to be true, just a guess.


I'm just guessing as well, but I think there is some subsidizing of NFLST with rate hikes. It's got to be D*'s most expensive programming acquisition, by miles at that. Under the terms of the most recent extension of the exclusive deal, D* is paying the NFL $700 million a year for five years.

I don't know for sure but have heard from people in the industry that NFLST has around 2 million subscribers -- at roughly $200 each, that doesn't nearly cover what D* is paying for it. That doesn't factor in the much higher fees that are charged to bars and restaurants, but I don't know that that would be enough to make up the difference.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 04:52 PM

Interesting. I just don't think DTV has that much to pull from subs. Maybe the commercial side is pulling in more than we think.

EDIT: With ST, Center Ice, Extra Inning and the such, how much can DTV pull from Jon Q Subscriber to cover these costs. I think DTV make more $$ the higher the package price. For example, I think they make more on TC+ than TC and more on TCP than TC+. But I could be wrong.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 09:05 PM

pudge44,

If my math is right, 2 million subscribers at $200 a year is about $400 million a year. At that rate, D* would cover what it's paying the NFL after two years on their five year contract. I don't see any reason why there would need to be anything subsidized by Jon Q Subscriber. In fact, I'd almost guess that some of the revenue from NFLST may go to subsudize other programming/technology - not the other way around.

(Numbers all based on what you posted - I did no independent research on this).

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 10:27 PM

I realize that, but my point is that before March 1, 2006, the price difference between TC+ and TC Premier is only $48, however for new customers after March 1, the difference of $2, same package, same channels, but this means that their must be a price increase somewhere for Premiums (and yes I am including the Sports pack) even though D* is claiming their is no increase for Premiums. Why can't D* come clean and give us the details on the premium packages too.

The price of premiums for existing customer are not going up. Thus making it appear the quote was meant to be for existing customer pricing. TC+ is $48.99, TC Premiere is $96.99 = $48.00 difference.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 12:32 AM

pudge44,

If my math is right, 2 million subscribers at $200 a year is about $400 million a year. At that rate, D* would cover what it's paying the NFL after two years on their five year contract. I don't see any reason why there would need to be anything subsidized by Jon Q Subscriber. In fact, I'd almost guess that some of the revenue from NFLST may go to subsudize other programming/technology - not the other way around.

(Numbers all based on what you posted - I did no independent research on this).


The price was $700M PER YEAR for 5 years. With D* bringing in $400M per year, they are still $300M per year short. But then we had no estimates on the commercial purchases of ST.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 02:52 AM

OK. I misread the post I was basing this on. Should have been in bed! LOL

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 07:10 AM

The price of premiums for existing customer are not going up. Thus making it appear the quote was meant to be for existing customer pricing. TC+ is $48.99, TC Premiere is $96.99 = $48.00 difference.


Yes you may be correct, however I would like to know how the premium price structure has bean changed because for new customers TC+ is now $49.99 and TC Premiere is now $99.99, now a $50 difference?

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 09:41 PM

There is other revenue from NFLST other than just the subscriptions. There is also a certain amount of advertising time available to DirecTV, in addition to the revenue from the add-on SuperFan package.

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 07:32 AM

Besides this price hike has anyone noticed more DirecTV self promotion commercials all the time and on all the channels ? I never noticed it being so bad before but everytime you turn around there is a DirecTV promotion ad on about something. Its worse on some channels than others so many might not have noticed this yet.

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 09:30 AM

I'm on the verge of leaving DirecTV. Not because I don't like the service. My dad just got an HDTV. He asked me to arrange getting hook-up by the date of the Super Bowl. We have both cable and satellite. I'm figuring, with my cable high-speed Internet service, I may as well trim the bill. But if I stuck with DirecTV (which would mean dumping cable and high-speed in favor of DSL), I'd have to take the 1998-installed Single LNB from the roof (or leave it there) and expect delivery of a new Triple LNB dish (updated and as a replacement), while more than one room would get installed with DirecTV. In the past I would have pushed for this. But considering that DirecTV is no longer all-that-special, I figure I may return to DirecTV when I eventually move out. But I'm not wanting to fight over the cable-vs.-satellite issue -- it no longer is important.

I leave folks here with two questions: Is there any offers, or benefits, for Returning DirecTV Customers? Oh, and if I were to hang onto both DirecTV and cable, is there a HDTV set-top box -- not connected with a satellite or cable provider -- good enough for Detroit locals?

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 10:10 AM

OK. I misread the post I was basing this on. Should have been in bed! LOL


here's some reading for you


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DIRECTV, Inc., the nation's leading digital television service provider, today announced a five-year $3.5 billion agreement with the National Football League to extend and expand DIRECTV's exclusive rights to carry NFL SUNDAY TICKET, the leading sports subscription television package in the United States. DIRECTV will continue to have exclusive multichannel television rights to air NFL SUNDAY TICKET games through the 2010 season.

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 10:46 AM

DS0816,

I don't know anything about the reception experience with Detroit locals, but did the HDTV your dad got have a built in tuner, or is it just a monitor? Depending on your location, you may be able to pick up an indoor antenna that would allow him to pick up the Super Bowl and give you more time to decide on what to do from there. When I bought my HDTV, the the guy where I bought it threw in an HD STB (LG brand) for free, but I think the retail price they had it marked at was about $200.00. A quick browse on BB and CC web sites show HD receivers starting around $230.

I know nothing of offers or anything to returning D* subscribers either.

Good Luck!

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 02:24 AM

DS0816,

I don't know anything about the reception experience with Detroit locals, but did the HDTV your dad got have a built in tuner, or is it just a monitor? Depending on your location, you may be able to pick up an indoor antenna that would allow him to pick up the Super Bowl and give you more time to decide on what to do from there. When I bought my HDTV, the the guy where I bought it threw in an HD STB (LG brand) for free, but I think the retail price they had it marked at was about $200.00. A quick browse on BB and CC web sites show HD receivers starting around $230.

I know nothing of offers or anything to returning D* subscribers either.

Good Luck!


Thanks.

It's the TV alone. And my dad had the antenna -- the old rooftop antenna with a far reach of locals outside of Detroit (with a reach that would bring in Toledo, Ohio stations) -- taken down, back in the early-1980s, not long after we became cable subscribers.

Before delving into details, I want folks to know that anyone is welcomed to respond to the following that I have to add.…



New customers are the ones that DirecTV -- and Dish Network and cable providers in general -- bends over backwards to impress. But I have so far found that my research -- making inquiries -- has helped.

Here's my situation (I don't think it's too personal): We have five TVs. I know, that's a lot for just two people. Two bedrooms are slept in; one is for a computer-and-TV room; one is the living room; and then the HDTV is in the family room. We move about.

Between cable television service providers I have the following choices -- aside from C-Band -- in Southeast Michigan that is directly in line with the Detroit market: Comcast and Wide Open West for cable, DirecTV and Dish Network for satellite. (Note: I'm in Wayne County. It's the fifth most-populated in the U.S. And, yes, Detroit is obviously the county seat. I'm located in the suburbs.)

Elimination time: My dad left Comcast in 2000 for WOW because locals on basic cable had embarrassing ingress and picture distortion. And no way in hell will I go with Dish Network and its occasional, prehaps-just-temporary, core channel losses (in the past couple years: ESPN Classic, Outdoor Life Network, and now Lifetime. What's next?).

So it's a matter of making the math work, and not inconveniencing anyone.

Right now, I pay for my DirecTV (from just one TV), and it's DirecTV Plus as well as two premiums (can always go down to one): $68. WOW Basic Cable and 6Mbps Internet (and figuring in my dad's senior discount) runs: $86. I pay for that as well. Total: $154.

Talking with WOW and DirecTV, I noticed it's nickel-and-dime time.…

WOW will provide HDTV tuner for HD content digital cable, and two premiums, as well as same Internet service, and basic cable would continue on the other four TVs for between $125 and $130. This may or may not include high-speed cable Internet modem of $2.50 (can't recall that detail), nor does it figure in Michigan's 6-percent sales tax and miscellaneous (read: franchise) fees. Any more digital cable set-top boxes would run $6.95 for each additional TV.

Talking with DirecTV, they'll provide: free installation. I'll keep my current receiver. Three more standard receivers come my way. An HDTV receiver joins the party. I'll subscribe to two premiums, have HD content for $5.99 (a $5 reduction) for six months (or I was given the option of same equivalency in premiums cost reduction). When figuring the costs of DirecTV Plus, two premiums, HD content (my locals, Detroit, are available in HD), it comes to: $95. It would be $100 after the grace period.

If I were to have WOW's package, I figure my costs would be $160 a month. For me to stay with DirecTV, I'd pay $100. (Two-year agreement with DirecTV. None with WOW! But I've been with DirecTV for eight years, and it's in my name. Not a problem.) When it comes to Internet I can still stay with WOW as a non-cable subscriber and have the option of four different Internet speeds: 112kbps Internet for $ 34.99; 500kbps Internet for $ 39.99; 4Mbps Internet for $ 44.99; and 6Mbps Internet for $ 54.99.

If sticking with DirecTV, I also can dump WOW's Internet for DSL -- but DSL service (provided in my area mainly by SBC/Yahoo may or may not be sufficient). Sorry, that's just a possible twist. And I dont' want to digress....

So here's what I'm figuring: DirecTV's package at $100 a month. Premiums can always be lowered. (I figure, though, for the total cost level it would be smart to have, say, at least HBO.) Reduce my current 6 Mbps to either the 500kbps or the 4Mbps (there's just a $5.00 difference between the two -- and it would trim between $10 to $15 -- cost of one premium channel).

$100 plus $40-50 would bring me the $150 level that I'm currently at. The change would include the following: Four TVs would have much more than just basic cable service -- they'd have the DirecTV subscription that covers content seen at the digital-cable level that is beyond analog. The fifth TV would go one step further by having HDTV programming.

I've been told by DirecTV that it's seeking to add extensive HD content by the time 2007 is up. Yes, I know -- we'll see. But HD is problematic in regards to HDTV that's available.

So how did this all come about? My brother made a move, sold his HDTV to my dad because my brother's girlfriend also has an HD of her own. My dad said to me, "Look into getting us HDTV." My dad's opinion on the DirecTV-vs.-WOW: He can adjust to triple-digit channel numbers, and thinks that the clarity of every channel on DirecTV being in true digital format is the wiser move, by comparison to the numerous hybrids as reportedly notorious amongst the many cable providers' digital cable content.

That's a lot of info. But I'll also say this: I wasn't impressed with WOW's digital cable lineup. It throws in Starz! as part of the Digital Basic lineup. But Starz! is, from my experience, the weakest of the premium movie services. I leave with a link to WOW's lineup.

Any and all feedback is welcomed.

http://www1.wowway.c...ganChannels.pdf

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 11:36 AM

Does anybody know if a current subscriber upgrades their package after 3/1 whether they'll pay existing subscriber or new subscriber rates on the new package?

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 11:51 AM

I am 99% sure that this particular increase is accross the board, affecting ALL users. No difference between new and old (aka there is no grandfathering this time around)
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 12:00 PM

Does anybody know if a current subscriber upgrades their package after 3/1 whether they'll pay existing subscriber or new subscriber rates on the new package?

Unless you paid in advance or are still on some sort of honeymoon contract, your rates will rise. You might ask D* if they will hold the 2005 pricing if you pay for a year now.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 02:50 AM

If you pay for service a year in advance, you are still affected by the increase.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 10:31 AM

Does anybody know if a current subscriber upgrades their package after 3/1 whether they'll pay existing subscriber or new subscriber rates on the new package?

You'll pay the existing subscriber rates... that is, your cost is going up only $3 a month. When D* says "new customer" they mean someone who has never had D* before in their life.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 10:37 AM

If you pay for service a year in advance, you are still affected by the increase.


That leads me to an interesting question - is it possible to do this (write D* a check for programming package price * 12 months)?

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 05:40 PM

I'm guessing if you pay a large payment up front, all that is done is there is a credit on your account that will get depleted over time as each monthly amount is billed. That being the case, you would still be paying whatever new rates apply to you once they start charging the new rates, and "12 months" of payment based on current rates (paid now) will carry you slightly less than twelve months at the new rate.




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