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NYC Local Channels, Sat/Transponders?


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#1 OFFLINE   matty8199

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 12:17 PM

What satellite and transponder are the NYC locals (all of them, not just the national distants) on? I'm trying to figure out if I can "move" to NYC and still be within the spot beam for the other locals, as I'm about 130-140 miles away in SE PA...

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 01:13 PM

Since both the NYC locals and the Philly locals are on the New York beam, you should have no problem recieving them. The spot beams are not specific to each market, they usually contain 1-3 neighboring markets as well as the market it's named for.

All of the NYC locals are on 101 and the transponders:

Transponder 12:
50 NJN
68 WFUT (Telefutura)

Transponder 20:
9 WWOR (UPN)
11 WPIX (WB)
13 WNET (PBS)
21 WLIW (PBS)
25 WNYE
31 WPXN (i)
39 WNYN (Azteca America)
41 WXTV (Univision)
47 WNJU (Telemundo)
55 WLNY
62 WRNN

Transponder 31:
2 WCBS (CBS)
4 WNBC (NBC)
5 WNYW (Fox)
7 WABC (ABC)

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 01:28 PM

My signal strength on 20 is only 67% (granted I just had the system installed today and it's raining, so that may come up a bit). Will this cause me a problem in getting those channels?

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 01:42 PM

If you want to see the channels and the spot beams here is one good link:
http://www.lyngsat.c...ectvusa101.html

You shouldn't have any problem at 67% locking in a signal on your H20

#5 OFFLINE   matty8199

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 03:45 PM

OK, next question - how long should I wait after having the system installed before I "move"?

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 04:00 PM

I'd wait at least a week or so. It might seem suspicious that you "moved" the same day your system was activated.

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 07:44 PM

Are you in the Philadelphia DMA? - you said you're 130-140 miles from NY, sounds like your on the Delaware border.

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 01:39 AM

Are you in the Philadelphia DMA? - you said you're 130-140 miles from NY, sounds like your on the Delaware border.


I'm actually right on the border between the Philly and Scranton/Wilkes-Barre DMAs...I'm in SWB, go 15 miles south and you're in the Philly DMA.

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 08:54 AM

which locals do you get now?

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 11:09 AM

Scranton/WB

Here's an interesting tidbit - my signal on TP 20 last night was up around 80, now it's down to 58...is that normal, to have a better signal at night? It is still really cloudy today so could that be causing it as well?

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:49 PM

OK, this is odd - my signal this afternoon was in the 60s on TPs 4, 12, and 20, with the signal on 20 being all the way down to 58 at times. Tonight (with no real change in weather conditions), the signal is up to 92 on 4, 92 on 12, and 87 on 20.

What gives? Is this normal to see a stronger signal at night, and if it is normal is it odd that the signal difference is that great between night/day?

on edit: this morning I was only at 52 on TP 20...

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 11:54 AM

BUMP - come on, someone has got to have an idea on this one...

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 04:09 PM

As a result of a certain degree of wobble in the earth's rotation, geosynchronous satellites tend to move in a roughly figure 8 pattern over a 24 hour period. For most DBS services, the beamwidth of the dish is wide enough that this slight movement has no effect on reception.

If however, you are not properly aligned - off a bit, or (possibly in your case) are on the very fringe of a spot beam, this minor change in orbital position could result in the signal strength changes you are seeing. This will be even more critical with the new AT9 dish, as the half power beam width of the new satellites is much narrower than with the old/existing satellites.

I don't know if this is what is causing the changes you are seeing, but it is one possibility.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 05:13 PM

Now Im down to 36 on TP4, 38 on TP12, and 29 on TP20. So much for my "move" to NYC I guess... :(

I assume 29 is way too low to get a decent picture on?

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 05:53 PM

Would an inline signal amp help me bring the signal up to a watchable level? I guess I'd be OK on the four major nets since they're on the national beam, and I'd just have intermittent dropouts on the spot beam...

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 05:57 PM

It could be that your dish wasn't fully peaked when it was installed. The Philly locals are on the same spotbeam as NYC's (which extends beyond your location), TP20 shouldn't be dropping in and out like that. You might need to fine tune your dish's alignment.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 09:44 PM

It could be that your dish wasn't fully peaked when it was installed. The Philly locals are on the same spotbeam as NYC's (which extends beyond your location), TP20 shouldn't be dropping in and out like that. You might need to fine tune your dish's alignment.


How would I do that?

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 11:48 PM

How you align or peak your dish depends on what dish you have. I don't see where that has been identified yet in this thread. For the 18" round dish, bring up the satellite signal strength meter on your receiver, then SLOWLY move the dish left and right for a maximum signal, then move it up and down for a maximum signal, then check azimuth again. Be careful, and go very slow. You can adjust it right out of working very easily if you are not careful. For the 3-LNB oval dish, it's a little different and more difficult, and for the 5-LNB dish it's a lot different and more difficult. If you don't know what you are doing, you are probably better off having an experienced installer do it.

As far as getting the NYC locals on the national feeds, for now that will work, but at some future time (to be determined - not yet announced) I would expect at least the high def feeds to be shut off and be available only on MPEG4 with the new AT9 dish.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 06:42 AM

If this drifting in and out of signal is supposed to be over a 24-hour period, then that's not the issue - this morning I'm back up to 90 on TP4 and TP12, and 87 on TP20....very odd. Yesterday at this time I was in the 50s on those 3...

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 08:37 AM

The picture is going to be exactly the same with a 25 or a 100 signal. Its digital and its either going to be there or not.




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