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Official DBSTalk ViP622 DVR Review


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#26 OFFLINE   Charise

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 04:15 PM

Very nice job on the review!

One thing I've noticed on the 622 that I didn't see in the review is that when you want to again watch a recorded show you have stopped watching, the default is to "resume" not "start over." :)

Another thing that's not as nice, in my opinion, is with my 721 remote I could press "mute" and (after setting my TV to do this) get closed captioning when the TV was muted. Not a necessity, certainly, but just a nice little extra. I can't see how to do that with the 622.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 04:17 PM

Thanks for the explanation Rob,

I have my $100 ready now for April 1st.


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Posted 24 February 2006 - 04:27 PM

Outstanding review, I can’t understand how people are confusing it with a Dish manual, this is much better.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 07:47 PM

I'm a current 921 user who will be upgrading to a 622 on 4/1. This review was fantastic and will make the 622 transition much less mysterious.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 08:07 PM

Thanks everyone for the feedback, we appreciate it.
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Posted 24 February 2006 - 08:17 PM

wow that was one snazzy looking review you did.

Hoever one thing I was looking for was screencaps of How SD & HD pictures can be formatted on the TV1 HD outputs, SD outputs, and TV2 Outputs. I've heard that on SD out there is no formatting, it's just 16x9 cropped, and 4x3 normal. But I'd like to see pics of this thanx!

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 08:38 PM

wow that was one snazzy looking review you did.

Hoever one thing I was looking for was screencaps of How SD & HD pictures can be formatted on the TV1 HD outputs, SD outputs, and TV2 Outputs. I've heard that on SD out there is no formatting, it's just 16x9 cropped, and 4x3 normal. But I'd like to see pics of this thanx!


That would be good information to have, maybe we can include it in a future revision.

In the meantime, the modes for TV1 are: Normal (full image on HD Widescreen content, Black bars on the sides for 4:3 content), Stretch (Stretches 4:3 content to fill a 16:9 screen), Zoom (Zooms in 4:3 content to fill a 16:9 screen), Partial Zoom (Combination of zoom and stetch so 4:3 content will fill a 16:9 screen), and Gray Bars (Replaces black bars on 4:3 content with gray bars).

As for TV2 in dual mode, if the channel is an SD channel you can't change the mode, it is normal 4:3. If the channel is an HD 16:9 channel you can choose between normal (which cuts off the sides of the show, or letterbox which puts black bars on top and bottom and keeps the 16:9 aspect ratio.
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Posted 24 February 2006 - 08:39 PM

I've heard that on SD out there is no formatting, it's just 16x9 cropped, and 4x3 normal. But I'd like to see pics of this thanx!

At the moment TV1 is exactly what you would see on the HD feeds just downrezzed. If you're watching 16:9 HD and your HD display is set to 16:9 your SD output is stretched. As you peg through the screen stretch options appropriate for the HD side the SD follows suit (as if it were a 16:9 display).

TV2 is like the ViP-211 and has less options (SD output is always "4:3" showing 4:3 SD feeds and either letterbox or zoomed in showing 16:9 HD feeds).

I say at the moment because when I first got my ViP-211 it behaved exactly like the TV1 output on the ViP-622 DVR. E* has since "fixed" that so now HD and SD stretch is controlled seperately. As of today the 622 has not been "fixed". (The ViP-211 allows all the appropriate modes in HD but limits the SD side to full screen 4:3 or letterbox/zoom if showing a 16:9 feed.)

The current TV1 modes are: "normal" "stretch" "partial zoom" "zoom" and "gray bar"
The TV2 modes are "normal" or "letterbox" with letterbox disabled when watching 4:3 feeds.

I see Rob was answering at the same time ... :D

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 08:57 PM

Ok so basically the SD output on TV1 can be sorta thought of as Anamorphic?

I kinda like that for DVDs, so hopefully when they make an update they leave that in and possible label it as Squeeze when htey isolate the HD and SD formatting, like the 211 and 811 has

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 12:33 AM

Ok so basically the SD output on TV1 can be sorta thought of as Anamorphic?

That is correct. I like it for recording to DVDs myself, so I can record them as widescreen.

I also like your request for adding a section to the review that shows all of the different zoom modes. Maybe using the HDNet Test Patterns to show what effects each of the modes have on the picture. I'll talk this over with Rob and maybe we can add an addendum.
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Posted 25 February 2006 - 07:17 AM

You mention in only one place one of the few negatives of the vip622. It doesn't support NTSC (analog) OTA. I would mention it both in the front and the conclusions.
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Posted 25 February 2006 - 07:39 AM

I can understand your point of view but read a little further. It compares the 622 with the 921 and 942. Also take a look at sections 4.1, 5.1, 7.2 and 8 (just to name a few). There is stuff in there you won't find in the manual.

Alot of work went into this to not only make it informative, but to outline how it stacks up against other DVR's in Dish Network's lineup.



Well I will definately look through it. As I mentioned I didn't want to sound like unappreciative but seeing the first 6 pages reminded me of the manual. If there are tips, comparisons and opinions in there then I will definately read through!

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 10:08 AM

I liked the review but I still haven't been able to find out how long the pause buffer is on the 622. It is 2 hours on the 921 and I'm hoping that it is at least as long on the 622. Anyone know?

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 02:34 PM

Nice job fellows. Do I have your permission to print it out to keep by the equipment when I get a 622? I suspect that your manual is far better than the one Dish will supply.

Ghostwriter- if you are looking for some "conclusions" that does not sound like a manual writing style, go to page 44 and read backwards. They have some opinions posted near the end of the manual. I agree the entire work reads more like a manual than an editorial review but IMHO, this is a good thing. Already read Scotts "first impression install review" and there are several posted first impressions from users here but what was lacking for non-owners is a manual on how it works. That we now have. I like it that way!

I have one suggestion for the authors- Would you consider making your excellent pdf into an interactive DVD? Now that would be a great thing to have for first time users. The DVD menu could be the hot link table of contents. There are some easy DVD authoring tools for doing this in an automated process but I don't recall seeing it done with a PDF file.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 02:39 PM

NICE JOB info is right on.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 04:44 PM

Nice job fellows. Do I have your permission to print it out to keep by the equipment when I get a 622? I suspect that your manual is far better than the one Dish will supply.


Thank you very much, and yes, of course you or anyone else for that matter has permission to print it out for personal use.

As to the whole, Review vs. Manual talk, I guess you could call this a "Revual" :D , it's really both. It started out as a "First Look" type doc and really out grew that so we started calling it a Review, maybe Overview would have been more accurate. Regardless the information is there to supplement what your going to find in the manual and help prospective customers determine whether or not it's something they would want to purchase/lease.

Anyways, we're glad that everyone is enjoying it.
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Posted 25 February 2006 - 05:09 PM

Thanks, I have a nice color laser printer so the pdf will be on the way to that tomorrow.

I didn't read the whole thing in study mode but will later as I offload it to my PDA for those moments I have time.

Yes, I do plan to order after 4-1 but may need to delay the install for mid May because I will be traveling quite a bit in April and first week of May. NAB is one of those weeks. Their 4-1 timing couldn't have been worse for me so we'll see.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 11:21 AM

is there a way for the 622 to allow a 50/50 split of the pip or just the larger / smaller sizes?

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 11:43 AM

Really a great, detailed review!

On the last page, it says on April 1 current owners of a 942 can upgrade for $99, $50 more than a new sub. Does that mean on April 1 new subs will only pay $49 for the VIP622?

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 11:57 AM

I believe they are referring to people who leased the 942 for $250 being able to trade it in for a 622 for $299 less $200 rebate ($99) and end up paying $349 for their unit. That is what is only $50 more than a new sub.

There is no deal coming where a new sub can get a ViP-622 for $49.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 01:01 PM

Yes, we were saying exactly what James posted. Sorry for the confusion.
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 01:02 PM

is there a way for the 622 to allow a 50/50 split of the pip or just the larger / smaller sizes?


Just the larger or smaller sizes, and you can move them around the screen. There is no 50/50 split like you can do on most newer TVs.
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 01:42 PM

The 50/50 split is something that I really wish they would add. I would love this feature for sports.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 03:47 PM

I agree. I use it on my TV for that a lot, but with 2 different receivers right now. Would be nice if the receiver had that built into it.
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:34 PM

Great Job! Lays out information needed for non-622 owners and 622 owners.
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